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4-Post Lifts - Help me decide which ones are quality built.

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I would like to get a extended height 4-post lift for my garage. One that I can park a full size truck or SUV under. I will be putting a 1956 Chevy Cameo (project truck) on the lift.

I have looked for several months now so I am familar the import VS domestic argument.

The 4-post lifts I would like to compare are:

Revolution RFP7-XLT
Gemini Gm-7000 XLT
Classic Auto Lift
Back Yard Buddy 7000lb Overheight
Park-King ACP-7SUV

I was considering the Bend Pak models until I read too many stories about the quality control on them of late. I also looked at Rotary's unit but it was overkill (12K) and did not raise high enough.

I am also open to any other suggestions. Should I go with a 9K unit instead?

Thanks in advance,

Dave
 
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Yes, I should add the All American Lifts to my list. They have a similar design as the Back Yard Buddy and the Classic Auto Lift. All three use the "oversized collars that slip over the post" design.

Are they truely "made" in the USA or are they assembling import stuff?
 

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These guys worked at Auto Lifters, and when the company went bust, the employees bought the company. They have improved the lifts and make them from scratch right here in the USA, (Nebraska) and claim to use US made steel.

Charles
 

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I used the Autolifters for five years(same as All american lifts).Its a great lift. The only thing i didnt like was the finish on it, poor quality paint. I recently purchased the Bend-pak HD-9ST.Had a few little bugs to work out but overall looks like a good lift.When i recieved it,it was pretty badly scratched up.That was fault of the freight company.
 

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Aahz said:
www.autolifts.org

If they don't spend the money for a true certification, don't buy it. Just my two cents....

What organization is that link supposed to be? It is a "domain for sale" site with a bunch of ads for lift companies?
 

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I've had a Backyard Buddy for 5 or 6 years. Recently, I had to move it and it took about 4 hours from start to finish. The ease of assembly and the written directions of how to put it together are the best I've ever seen.
 

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I can't believe I'm going to be the first one to say, "Search the board". There are plenty of existing posts on lifts.
 
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I can't believe that I am going to tell you that I did do a "search". I pulled up a lot of post using "lift" as my key word in the search. I did this in addition to reading this forum over the past 12 months.

I even hinted to the fact that I had read previous post when I wrote in my first post that I had read about Bend Pak's QC problems. If I recall correctly, a certain poster who was a distributor of Bend Pak said that he no longer handled that product line because there was too many issues to make it worth while. A lot of extra service visits to correct little things or someting along those lines.

Many of the post that I read when I "searched" were quite helpful and I appreciate everyone's knowledge on lifts.

I was hopeing that some people might have had experience with two or more of the lifts that I listed. This way, I could get some real comparative insight on these lifts. If someone was to tell me that he had had both lift A and Lift B, and that he felt that lift B was better because of a certain reason. That would be helpful in ruling one out.

I would value this type of information more since it avoids the "my Ford is better than your Chevy" stuff. I heard guys say the John Deere mowers are the best yet they have never owed anything other than John Deere. Not real objective.

Sorry for the long rant.
 

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well you want experience, you know that advert from Backyard Buddy with the 2 failed lifts in the picture ? implying that their lift is better because they did not show a picture of a failed lift.

The lift in the upper left with the Corvette on it, is my brand of lift. I stand under it nearly everyday and love the thing. This safety certification thing is just a way of charging more money for the lift, yes, the manufacturer builds one lift perfect, perfect welds, perfect everything and sends it out for certification, do you think they will build your lift with the same care as the one destined for the certification tests ? heck no they wont, they will have their minimum wage welder weld yours and all the others. I agree with the safety test theory in that they might catch a bad design but all of these lifts are copies of each other, they are all fine.

In the case of Perfect Park, the safety organization would not have caught the reason for the failure, although now that its failed on several brands in the same way they would catch it now. I have posted here before, if I had to buy another lift it would not be Perfect Park from Lifts Unlimited strictly because of the company and their attitude but the lift is fine and I would buy another one of those.

If I were in the market for a lift, my requirements would a long established company or a brand new company with certification and I would prefer the long established company. Yes, I just contradicted myself on the certification but I would want it from a brand new company without a tract record just because you know their design has at least had a once-over by someone else. After they are in business for a few years, then they can drop the certification because their reputation will speak for itself.

In the case of the failed lifts on the BackYard Buddy advert, the lifts failed because a bolt backed out, a bolt that on thousands of lifts have never backed out but did on this one. Easy fix once you know what happened and it wont happen again, then again it should not have happened if the owner had done regular checks of his tools (even I am guilty of not doing them regularly but i do them often). I say thousands of lifts because the design is used by most of the lift manufacturers, most of the lifts on the market at the time had the same potential failure.

Someone else mentioned the instructions for assembly/dissassembly being good with BackYard Buddy, they are good I must admit, I helped a friend put his BackYard Buddy together and they are good, much better than the printed on cheap junk with hand written corrections from Lifts Unlimited (I assume they are better by now since they are still in business).

The BackYard Buddy seems better built than my Perfect Park but it is also more wobbly than my lift. Its perfectly safe but first time under it and it wobbled I sure did not feel safe the Perfect Park is rock solid with a car on it. That is only comparison I can give on actual use.
 

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http://autolift.org/members.html

Sorry about the bad link...I did that once before..You would think I'd remember it!

My personal experience is that there are several companies out there that have gone "belly-up" and come back again under a different name. There's an area of Ft. Worth Texas that has several lift manufacturers...and they go in and out of business more frequently than I change underwear...

Last time I checked there were about 75 "Above Ground Lift Manufacturers" in the U.S. Most are small "mom & pop" type operations or make lifts as a sideline to their standard core business. (Ie. Manitowac Lifts in WI makes a good quality lift, but their primary business is steel fabrication). Some others, ie. Tuxedo Lifts, Eagle Lifts, Direct Lifts, etc. are strictly importers of Chinese manufactured lifts.

The "commercial grade" manufacturers, (Rotary Lift, Forward, Challenger Lift, Western Lift, Mohawk Lift, etc) are all a little of both. Rotary, Forward and Challenger have Chinese import lines that do not compete with their "core" businesses, Western is mostly an importer now and Mohawk has an import line from Canada and Europe.

Forgetting for a minute that a lift that fails has the potential to kill you, who has the potential to A.) Design the best lift B.) Manufacture it correctly 99% of the time and C.) Insure that any repair parts or warranty parts can be sent out in a timely manner? My pick is one of the commercial grade manufacturers.

Now throw the unlikely, but very distinct possibility that a lift fails and injures / kills / maims you....and you or your significant other end up in a lawsuit...Who is most likely to have deep enough pockets to deal with it and stay in business? Mom & pop fold up shop and open up under a different name. The import "manufacturer" doesn't have manufacturer's liability insurance....The commercial companies carry huge liability policies (cost of doing business in the good old USA for a big corporation).

Finally....the ALI is set up to insure that the companies selling the products have the products Certified by a 3rd party. They don't test one lift and say it's good to go...There are mandatory quality control inspections carried out at the factories to insure that the products being shipped are the same quality as the products that have been tested. In fact, there a sizable lawsuit going on now due to a company stealing ALI/ETL labels from one product and pasting them on another that had not been certified.

I could write volumes on the **** that goes on in the lift industry.....But if you get down to bare bones, it really comes down to who is going to be around next year to help fix the product you bought.

Now that I've finished ranting and raving....I'm NOT going to tell ya' to buy from me! :p www.standardus.com
 

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Couple months ago I was looking for a two post lift. It was stated that if I did not buy Rotary that everything else, was un suitable, but then it was proven that he was a rotary saleman. I ended up buying the Bend Pak. it is made in USA and it is certifeid by ALI. The craftmanship of this lift is really good and the dealership went out of their way to be helpful while there still was no problem. It was easy to install, not needing any special crew to install. It has work flaw less the last six month. I very happy with Bend Pak and reccomend that you do not discount their four post model.

It seem like in the tool market, if you dont buy the most expnesive, that everything else is sub quality. we are not talking HF here, but not everybody can afford Snap on. I see nothing wrong with Bend Pak but then somebody here will say I,m wrong.
 
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agreed, I have 2 lifts, the LiftsUnlimited one and a Bend-Pak if I needed another lift I would shop around and do my research but I bet I would end up with a Bend-Pak.
 

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it amazes me that there is not one bible on lifts...some consumer reports like reivew. With as many individual hobbist like myself looking to spend$2k -$5K to store items that could cost as much as $100K, its shocking.

FYI...After a lot of review, I chose Backyard buddy.
 

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i went with this one:

http://www.americasprideonline.com/universal-lift.shtml

one thing i really liked was the ability to have the two posts be placed independently from each other, with no bars top or bottom. Also so far customer service has been pretty good. It was supposed to have been shipped out on the 22nd, we'll see how it goes when it gets here...
 

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elsensei said:
i went with this one:

http://www.americasprideonline.com/universal-lift.shtml

one thing i really liked was the ability to have the two posts be placed independently from each other, with no bars top or bottom. Also so far customer service has been pretty good. It was supposed to have been shipped out on the 22nd, we'll see how it goes when it gets here...

Do they have the free shipping with that model?
 
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There are a couple of things about "customers and service" that I have learned to differentiate over the years. There is the kind of "customer attention" you get before a sale and then there is the more important kind. The "customer service" that you get after a sale.

I still remember that boat "salesman" being my best buddy.

Now having said that, are there any good stories about a lift company proving decent customer service years after your purchase?
 

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MarksM said:
Do they have the free shipping with that model?

Well, the story is they hapened to just come out with that lift exactly when i was ready to order one, and I believe the "introductory" price was 2495 or so. Now I was then and am now still building my garage, so I wasn't in any hurry to get the lift but I did want the low price. So I paid them half down with the balance due when they shipped it. And the cost at that time did include shipping.

Some time later, I got an email from them saying they were sorry for the delay, but the factory had made them a batch of the same style but taller (12 foot instead of 8 foot) and longer armed (36 instead of 24 inch) lifts, and would I rather wait another 3 weeks for the short lift or would I rather have them send me the better, more expensive one at no additional charge?

Picture me running out the the garage with a tape measure, checking to see how I could make a 12-foot lift fit, hahaha. I figured out a way (my ceilings are exactly 12 feet and I can put the columns between the joists if necessary). So i asked them to ship the better taller one and it supposedly went out on the 22nd from Massachusetts. I'm in San Diego CA.

So far I am stoked b/c I am 6'2" tall and I really wanted to be able to walk around underneath a car on the lift without ducking or hitting my head. Now I'll be able to....I can put that sucker 9 feet high if I want. :)
 
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OK, it's time to whittle down my list of 4-post lifts some.

Between Rotary's Revolution RFP7-XLT and the Gemini GM-7000 XLT , I think I'll keep the Revolution in the mix. It seems better built and has Rotary behind it.

Between the Backyard Buddy and the Classic Auto lift, I think I'll keep the Classic Auto Lift in the mix. Again, it seems better built for a lift that uses the collar/over the post type. They also use thicker steel (1/4" VS 3/16").

I am undecided on the AllAmericanLift M-815. Still need to find out some facts on them.

I think I'll rule out the Bend Pac because I do not want to hook up air to it (needed in addition to the hyd. for the release). I am also taking the Park King out of the running (no one else has heard of them).

Does my short list (Revolution, Classic Auto Lift, and maybe AllAmericanLift) sound reasonable?

Hopefully, I can decide and buy one before the end of the year. Yikes!!!, I had better decide this week.

PS I would not rule out a "used" 4-post lift either if I could find the right deal.
 

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I know that you stated that you didn't want to use air to release the lift safeties, but I wonder what your objection to air is? I have operated the lifts at the car shows that use a lever to release the safety system, and to me, that is more cumbersome than holding my hand on a air operated button. I can't imagine someone having a lift in the garage that doesn't also have an air compressor. Even the smallest compressor will operate the air release system. To me, it is the easier system to use, and also less likely to become problematic. With the mechanical lever system, you have the possibility of a bent rod, or a rod going out of adjustment.
Dusty
 

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davidcalhoun said:
OK, it's time to whittle down my list of 4-post lifts some.

Between Rotary's Revolution RFP7-XLT and the Gemini GM-7000 XLT , I think I'll keep the Revolution in the mix. It seems better built and has Rotary behind it.

Between the Backyard Buddy and the Classic Auto lift, I think I'll keep the Classic Auto Lift in the mix. Again, it seems better built for a lift that uses the collar/over the post type. They also use thicker steel (1/4" VS 3/16").

I am undecided on the AllAmericanLift M-815. Still need to find out some facts on them.

I think I'll rule out the Bend Pac because I do not want to hook up air to it (needed in addition to the hyd. for the release). I am also taking the Park King out of the running (no one else has heard of them).

Does my short list (Revolution, Classic Auto Lift, and maybe AllAmericanLift) sound reasonable?

Hopefully, I can decide and buy one before the end of the year. Yikes!!!, I had better decide this week.

PS I would not rule out a "used" 4-post lift either if I could find the right deal.

DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to sell a lift!
But more want to get you guys opinions on these lifts. I am a distributor..more to offer them to guys in my local area as a convenience to other services we might provide them...I am not in the lift business.

http://www.aclifts.com/parking/

Thanks
 

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I've been trying to get a handle on American Custom Lifts myself...From their website, it appears that they are a distributor for other brands on their heavy duty line (Omer / Stertil-Koni)...but their light duty line appears to be their own...(unless they are importing and selling under their own name).

I don't run across them on the commercial market at all....but I know of one facility here in Chicago that purchased their "Quad" parking lift...and it seems to be working...

As far as I know, they don't have ALI/ETL Certifications under their own brand name, although both Omer and Sefac carry the Certifications.

I'll see if I can get information out of one of the manufacturers when I get a chance....
 

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davidcalhoun said:
Between the Backyard Buddy and the Classic Auto lift, I think I'll keep the Classic Auto Lift in the mix. Again, it seems better built for a lift that uses the collar/over the post type.


Just for my education, what are the advantages of a "collar over post" type? :confused:
 
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In my searches, I noticed that this was one design of lifts - a large square collar that rides over a square tube. The other type of lift that I noticed was the "channel" type.

I certainly am not an engineer so I myself have a question as to whether this "collar" design is any better than the "channel" types.

Any mechanical engineers on here?
 

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tonyvlx said:
I used the Autolifters for five years(same as All american lifts).Its a great lift. The only thing i didnt like was the finish on it, poor quality paint. I recently purchased the Bend-pak HD-9ST.Had a few little bugs to work out but overall looks like a good lift.When i recieved it,it was pretty badly scratched up.That was fault of the freight company.
How would you compare the two, do you like the post (all american) or channel design (bend pak) for stability etc? Thanks!
 

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I like the post design cause its easier to double check and make sure all the locks are engaged correctly. Regarding stability the channel design on the Bend-Pak seems more stable.
 
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I just got done watching an auction that had two (2) really nice Rotary 12K 4-post lifts.

One lift was a 1997 12K unit with 15ft runways. It sold for $2,222.

The other lift was a 2003 12K unit with 17ft runways. It sold for $2,610.

Both lifts were in good shape. I did not purchase either lift because I need a lift that will let me park a full size truck under. These lifts only went up to about 68 inches clearance.

They were a good deal for someone.
 

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I would buy the Rotary Revolution RFP7-XLT over any of the other lifts. Rotary is not a fly by night company. I think they are one of the oldest lift companys going. The Revolution costs a little more but uses US steel and is built in the US. Replacement parts should never be a problem and the lift has good certs.
The Revolution RFP7-XLT edges the Gemini GM-7000 XLT in all areas but cost. The Revolution runways are 20" instead of 19", also the runway inside spacing is 41" instead of 38". To me 3" more to work with in width is a big gain. I've looked at four posts lifts for over a year now. And the Revolution is will worth the extra money. I'm going to be ordering one from Barry at x-autoproducts in another month. Great guy to deal with and the best price I could get delivered on a Revolution lift. Pete
http://www.x-autoproducts.com/pages/4postliftspecs.htm
 
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I just bought and assembled the standard-height Revolution and am very satisfied. I picked it up from the freight terminal on 12/18 and was running it up and down on 12/20 after two evenings of assembly. As a finnicky mechanical engineer I was very pleased with the quality of the kit, from the welded components through the fasteners to the instructions and other documentation - very nice. The finish was also very clean and fresh with minimal nicks / scratches from transport. There was a can of paint included for touch-up.

Two guys helped me unload it from the U-Haul, but I was otherwise able to assemble it single-handed. The key was putting the runways - which were enormously heavy - down on some lumber that let me get a pair of hydraulic roll-around jacks beneath the ends to position / install them as necessary. The columns and yokes were heavy but manageable for one person to assemble and stand up.

I went with the 240V version and it seems quite fast. I also got the power unit relocating bracket to put the pump on the front of the column rather than the side to save space.

I spent a lot of time comparison shopping before I ordered. I had long thought I'd buy a blue lift from California, but they told me the one I wanted is actually 'made' mostly offshore. Thus I spent a chunk more for the Rotary / Revolution. (It's worth noting the power unit seems to be Italian.)

I liked the design of the sleeve-over-column lifts, but didn't like the answers to my questions about certification / testing in one case nor the 6-week wait in another. I also like the slack-cable safeties that the Revolution and the blue lift both offer; I don't know that many other makes have these. The Revolution also has a slick means of cable and lock-height adjustment for leveling.

My sense of the 'safety' of this thing is of course qualitative, but I'm very satisfied with how solid / rigid it seems, even with my heaviest vehicle at max height and without lagging it down.

I would certainly recommend this lift based on my brief experience with it.

Happy New Year, all....
 

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NEPA_Z said:
The Revolution also has a slick means of cable and lock-height adjustment for leveling.


Happy New Year, all....

Could you please explain more about this aspect of the Rotary lift? thanks Junk..
 
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Several lifts seem to use the same/similar lifting post. I am just talking about the post only. In this specific case I am refering to the channel type of post.

Do several companies buy their post from some outside source? I could see a company buying the post and then build it up with different componants to differentiate it in a crowded market.

Here is a good example: When I looked at Rotary's Revolution post, they seem to be the same construction, and method of lift, as the Direct Lift Pro Park 9 Plus.

Both say they are ISO9001. Both use the same method of a latch ladder that is adjustable. I am not sure about the dimensions on the Revolution post, but the dimensions of the Direct Lift Pro Park 9 Plus post is 7.75" X 4.75"

So is Rotary's Revolution relying on a outside source that is ISO9001 certified to build their post?

Before you guys jump down my throat, I am not saying this is bad. It might even be good in the fact that it makes for an affordabe lift to the average person.

I am in no way dissing Revolution. I just want to know the facts about some of these lifts before I make my decision. The Revolution is still on my short list since it fits most my requirements.

Thoughts?
 

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I have 2 Bend Pak 4 post lifts, & one has been up for two years without any trouble. I posted a detailed thread on the assembly of the first one & would suggest reading it before you rule out Bend Pak. I went with that brand for a few reasons, & one of which was the price. Both lifts, (Yes that's 2 of them) were were delivered for $5025 & the quoted price included ALL shipping & handling fees. That was 2 years ago, but I'd bet it hasn't gone up all that much since then.

Installation Topic:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=636&highlight=Bend+Pak

Purchased From Here:
http://www.e-autolifts.com/index.html
 

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davidcalhoun said:
Several lifts seem to use the same/similar lifting post. I am just talking about the post only. In this specific case I am refering to the channel type of post.

Do several companies buy their post from some outside source? I could see a company buying the post and then build it up with different componants to differentiate it in a crowded market.

Here is a good example: When I looked at Rotary's Revolution post, they seem to be the same construction, and method of lift, as the Direct Lift Pro Park 9 Plus.

Both say they are ISO9001. Both use the same method of a latch ladder that is adjustable. I am not sure about the dimensions on the Revolution post, but the dimensions of the Direct Lift Pro Park 9 Plus post is 7.75" X 4.75"

So is Rotary's Revolution relying on a outside source that is ISO9001 certified to build their post?

Before you guys jump down my throat, I am not saying this is bad. It might even be good in the fact that it makes for an affordabe lift to the average person.

I am in no way dissing Revolution. I just want to know the facts about some of these lifts before I make my decision. The Revolution is still on my short list since it fits most my requirements.

Thoughts?

I can guarantee you that the Revolution is not the same as the Direct Lift columns. Rotary builds the Revolution in Madison, IN....Direct Lift is built in China. Rotary, as a part of Dover Corporation, (NYSE DOV) and is truly ISO 9001 Certified. If Direct Lift isn't willing to put up the money to get their product certified to ALI/ETL Standards, I would have a hard time believing that the company building them is ISO Certified. ISO Certification is EASILY double the cost (if not triple) what an ALI/ETL Cert. cost. I get e-mails all the time from Chinese "lift" manufacturers that claim to be ISO...but I haven't seen one yet that builds to US Standards.
 

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Junkman said:
Could you please explain more about this aspect of the Rotary lift? thanks Junk..

There's a 'ladder' structure that hangs in each column from a threaded rod. The rod is nutted above the top plate, so adjusting the nut on the rod changes the height of the ladder, each step of which is a locking position. It's very easy to level the unit all 'round with this. I believe a number of other designs use something very similar.

How does one level a lift where the lock positions are welded onto the column, or cut into it?
 

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NEPA_Z said:
There's a 'ladder' structure that hangs in each column from a threaded rod. The rod is nutted above the top plate, so adjusting the nut on the rod changes the height of the ladder, each step of which is a locking position. It's very easy to level the unit all 'round with this. I believe a number of other designs use something very similar.

How does one level a lift where the lock positions are welded onto the column, or cut into it?

Shims under the post base plate.
 
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