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momswgn

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Going to be pulling the trigger on a Direct Lift Pro Park Plus in about 3 months. Will be buying from Greg Smith Equipment. Have done a lot of reading and have heard nothing but positive reviews about GSE.
 

Nutty 5.0

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Can't speak of this Atlas but GS was easy to deal with for my Pro Park 8 plus. A couple of friends have it from GS too and very happy fwiw.
 
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So far I've heard nothing bad about them, and I like the way his website is very upfront and to the point. Looks like I'll focus on the 4 poster as soon as my quarterly bonus rolls in.
 

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I dont have an "Atlas" but I have a Danmar. Its the Exact same lift and my friend just purchased American Products, which again is the same lift. They are just renamed for different companys. We both have the XLT one. For a few extra bucks it lifts higher and has longer runways. So far the lift works great. I have my explorer up on it right now working on the ******.

http://www.americanautomotiveequipment.com/4-Post-Lifts-p/ss7000xlt-d.htm
 

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i aggree.... i have a dannmar lift too, the DX-7 (longer and wider) and i'm totally pleased with it..... check out costco.com they sell it off their web site and it has free shipping.. also if your not happy with it, it says to just return it to any costco warehouse... whewwww, that would be one big return item... lol
 

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Can't speak of this Atlas but GS was easy to deal with for my Pro Park 8 plus. A couple of friends have it from GS too and very happy fwiw.

I'm looking at the same. Did you install it yourself? Do they have installer for central Pa?

Thanks
Charlie
 

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I did along with a coworker that installed it himself. Its not bad, but you'll want I'd say 3 people in addition to you for the help. You'll love it!
 

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I just bought the propark 8S from Greg Smith. It is listed for $1995.00 but they will sell it for $1895 which makes it only $100 over the Atlas. The Propark 8S includes drip trays and is a certified lift. I ordered the lift on Wednesday and it arrived at the freight carriers dock on Friday. I called a local wrecker company and they picked the lift up the same day charging $75. I unpacked it and assembled it in two days, about 4 hours each day. I used an engine hoist and floor jack with no problems. I'm in my 60's and completed the assembly by myself, the hardest part is lifting the two columns after you attach the end cross member but you can do it. The instructions that come with the lift are not very good but the website has excellent instructions that can be downloaded. The lift works perfectly, I have a 2005 Vette on top and a Merecedes CLK on the bottom in a 25x25 garage with 10' ceiling. It fits very nicely allowing me to park 3 cars in the garage with plenty of extra room. I especially like the double locks useing the ladder design and not the welded stops.
 

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I just bought the propark 8S from Greg Smith

Hi Boshoe,

What is the difference btwn the 8K and 8S? Is it just the drip trays?

Also, what is the power requirement? Website shows it is 110v, but how many amps does it require?

thanks!
 

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Man, if some creepy dude running around in an old man mask isn't enough to convince you to maybe think that Greg Smith equipment isn't the right place to spend your dollars then I don't know what is.:rolleyes:

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Wow. After seeing that video....I simply could not do business with Greg Smith. I am embarrased for them that the powers that be were no doubt hi-fiving and cheering for that amateurish video.

With the cost of the equipment they offer, it should look professional...it should give you confidence.
 

revlover

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Man, if some creepy dude running around in an old man mask isn't enough to convince you to maybe think that Greg Smith equipment isn't the right place to spend your dollars then I don't know what is.:rolleyes:

What's up with big foot in a hockey mask at 3:53!?!?!?

:wtf:

How can you take them seriously, I mean... seriously!
 

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What's up with big foot in a hockey mask at 3:53!?!?!?

:wtf:

How can you take them seriously, I mean... seriously!

Well, can you blame them for not wanting their faces to appear in the video?

BTW, did you listen carefully? Here's what he says around 0:50:

"...Greg Smith Equipment cannot afford to maintain a fleet of service vehicles and service personnel that install, service or repair the many different products we sell. We believe the majority of our customers are mechanically inclined and are competent do-it-yourselfers. Greg Smith Equipment and “Self-Help University” will provide easy to understand written, comprehensive videos and other internet self-help tools to inform and educate our customer base."

Translation? As far as customer service is concerned, videos like this one is about all you're going to get. Good luck, mofo! :thumbup:
 
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revlover

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@mechamunch

Wow, that's good you pointed that out. Wouldn't buy from someone that doesn't have after-sale service. Especially something like a lift. My life is worth more to me than big foot in a hockey mask.

Mechamunch, must have a lot of time on your hands, eh?
 

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20 Year chassis technician here. let your dollars fallow you sense. Generally you get what you pay for. So if it cost half as much...get two of them while you are there. I have worked under many Rotary lifts. anything cheaper really concerns me to be under. Not that I am recommending any thing this is just a quick find on the net to show you the brand I see most often.
http://www.standardus.com/stdshop/home.php?cat=52
 

Jgmachine1234

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I have the pro park 8S. love it! I got it from a local company and not Greg smith.

I also got the jack that sits on the rails, so you can do suspension work...
 
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Translation? As far as customer service is concerned, videos like this one is about all you're going to get. Good luck, mofo! :thumbup:

@mechamunch

Wow, that's good you pointed that out. Wouldn't buy from someone that doesn't have after-sale service. Especially something like a lift. My life is worth more to me than big foot in a hockey mask.

Mechamunch, must have a lot of time on your hands, eh?

The cheesy video may have not been the best choice for GSE to promote themselves, but I found it a least a little amusing :thumbup:

I have quite a few items from Greg Smith including an Atlas tire changer and balancer, (2) motorcycle lifts, shop press, winch, etc. I have been very happy with everything. Their sales staff is also very knowledgeable, everyone I have dealt with has had a no BS approach.

Personally, I like their approach to service. Any time I have had any issues, within 5 minutes of dialing their number, I had the correct resolution from their tech support. They send replacement parts out quickly, and will walk you through repairing it. They provide the parts and knowledge, you supply the labor. Granted some people won't like it, but if you need the equipment in the first place you should have enough knowledge to repair it with a little guidance. If they provided on site service, their prices would go way up. I think you would be hard pressed to find any of their customers that do not feel they stand behind the products they sell.

Back to the original poster's question. I have seen that lift in person, it seems like it is very good quality, as the rest of their lifts are. That being said, I am getting ready to start shopping for a lift, I am not convinced I would buy one from GSE. Yes they are cheaper and acceptable quality, but I don't want to cheap out on something that will be holding several thousand pounds of weight above me.
 
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20 Year chassis technician here. let your dollars fallow you sense. Generally you get what you pay for. So if it cost half as much...get two of them while you are there. I have worked under many Rotary lifts. anything cheaper really concerns me to be under. Not that I am recommending any thing this is just a quick find on the net to show you the brand I see most often.
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Couldnt agree more. There is a reason why 99% of what we see in dealerships, and reputable repair shops is either Rotary, Challenger, or Mohawk....you get what you pay for.

Its always interesting to me how people will spend $50-$100K on a car, an then buy the cheapest lift they can get their hands on....never quite figured that one out :)

Gotta plug my job.....for anyone interested in a Rotary lift, we guarantee the lowest price in the country....period. www.oilequipment.com

Call me anytime with questions on buying, service, or install....glad to help!!

Thanks,

Ben Lom
Oil Equipment Comapny
920-312-3550
 

mechamunch

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20 Year chassis technician here. let your dollars fallow you sense. Generally you get what you pay for. So if it cost half as much...get two of them while you are there. I have worked under many Rotary lifts. anything cheaper really concerns me to be under. Not that I am recommending any thing this is just a quick find on the net to show you the brand I see most often.
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Couldnt agree more. There is a reason why 99% of what we see in dealerships, and reputable repair shops is either Rotary, Challenger, or Mohawk....you get what you pay for.

Its always interesting to me how people will spend $50-$100K on a car, an then buy the cheapest lift they can get their hands on....never quite figured that one out :)

Gotta plug my job.....for anyone interested in a Rotary lift, we guarantee the lowest price in the country....period. www.oilequipment.com

Call me anytime with questions on buying, service, or install....glad to help!!

Thanks,

Ben Lom
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920-312-3550

Kinda killing the whole credibility of our argument here since you SELL Rotary lifts...:lol_hitti

Thanks, pal. :thumbup:
 

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jtillery

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20 Year chassis technician here. let your dollars fallow you sense. Generally you get what you pay for. So if it cost half as much...get two of them while you are there. I have worked under many Rotary lifts. anything cheaper really concerns me to be under. Not that I am recommending any thing this is just a quick find on the net to show you the brand I see most often.

Couldnt agree more. There is a reason why 99% of what we see in dealerships, and reputable repair shops is either Rotary, Challenger, or Mohawk....you get what you pay for.

Its always interesting to me how people will spend $50-$100K on a car, an then buy the cheapest lift they can get their hands on....never quite figured that one out :)

Gotta plug my job.....for anyone interested in a Rotary lift, we guarantee the lowest price in the country....period. www.oilequipment.com

Call me anytime with questions on buying, service, or install....glad to help!!

Thanks,

Ben Lom
Oil Equipment Comapny
920-312-3550

I have always heard very good things about Rotary, since I am in the market for a lift, I checked out Oil Equipment Company's website, there was a link to eBay auctions, and they had a Rotary Motorcycle Lift, since I own a motorcycle shop I was interested. I was surprised at what I saw. Visually the lift is identical to the Direct Lift XLT I purchased from Greg Smith Equipment, so I checked out the specs, guess what they are also identical.

So Ben, can you prove that the Rotary RXLDT Motorcycle lift is not a rebranded Direct Lift? :headscrat Or is the extra $300 just for the Rotary name?

That being said the Direct Lift is an excellent piece of equipment. Greg Smith Equipment will tell you flat out that they sent a Handy Lift to an offshore manufacture to reverse engineer and copy, the only change they made is the table is diamond plate instead of smooth. My technician worked on Handy's for 6 years and he cannot tell the difference.

Now, I wonder if the Rotary Car Lifts are rebranded Direct Lifts too, if so that would make me feel alot better about those.
 

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I just compared the Rotary Revolution RFP9 specs and the Direct Lift Pro Park 9 Plus. The specs are all identical except the direct lift shipping weight is 50 pounds less and the price is $1000 less than the Rotary.
 

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Man, spend the extra thousand!!!!
I read postings on how good "Direct Lifts" were supposed to be, so I bought one recently (4 post pro pack 9 plus) and had hidden damage from shipping which gouged and scraped it all up (on the bottom where the main runway is) and Greg Smith equipment so far has advised that when it leaves their store, its mine and not their responsibility (even tho I paid for them to ship it, they choose the shipping, and they haven’t answered the question of if they check the bottom of the 2500 package at their warehouse before it leaves), They first advised me for two weeks that they were filing a claim with the shipping company and waiting for a response, only to then tell me that it was my problem to file a claim. There are stickers on the box to call immediately if you see damage, but if you cant see it unless you unpack it...............?? But I did call them immediately at the loading dock and advised it had some scratches i could see (not real bad where i COULD see) and advised there was a loose bolt that had fallen out of the packaging.........Greg Smith Equipment assured me to unpack it and if there was a problem to contact them! When I finally got it all unpacked and flipped the runway over it was scraped and gouged from one end to the other with mild dents.
So after two weeks of doing the foot work of getting prices for powder coating, or a suitable textured paint (like the tech recommended), and waiting for a response, I get an email from Greg Smith Equipment saying to call and file it myself and now give the shipping co. a price of replacing the runner (I refused the touch up spray paint since it wouldn’t hold up and you would need many, many cans)
Then I find that the wheels have holes too small for the bolts and you have to spend hours re-drilling out the oblong holes, and the bolts have to be put in just right so as not to bind up the wheels. Then the control motor/unit can only be put on one end (not two like they say) the safety release lever is hit by the ramp (if you choose the end with the ramps) and you have to cut/notch out the ramp to be able to use the safety lever to lower your car, and/or not risk the ramp weight moving it for you if you reverse the configuration. It also looks like it will have to be anchored, seems it is way too wobbly to feel safe by putting 6 or 7 thousand pds above my head. Especially by designers who cant get the bolts and holes right, or safety catch clearance, and seem to know about it but dont care!?
Greg Smith equipment advises that the manufacturer is aware of the problems but havent fixed it yet, I wrote the manufacturer and they wouldn’t reply!!! Why would you sell something you have to modify but not tell anyone or fix????
So after 2 weeks and now having to start over, I call again due to my being a bit irritated at this point, to only get to speak with Greg Smith himself (which at first I thought was kind of an honor) who was irritated by me sending an email to his staff indicating that many of my friends looking to buy lifts were disappointed, concerned and wouldn’t buy one unless all the issues were resolved on it. He perceived it as that I was spreading rumors and he was not so professional as he told me to call back and they would hold my hand as I filled out the claim forms………? He also advised for me to just pack it up and ship it back…………(Let me just unbolt it all and find a bog box) I wont go into the rest of it, but it wasn’t a professional response like I thought it would be. I went back and reread my emails I sent to see if I had sent something vulgar or out right rude threatening some sort of massive attack on his company but didn’t find the issue, nor did others.
More icing on the cake, is when I went to use the pro jack 4500, the jack wouldn’t pump up, fortunately the tech at Greg Smith sent me a replacement (have yet to try it).
Anyone buying a "Direct Lift" might want to ask some questions or beware, wish I had gone another route!
I have pictures (and some interesting emails) if anyone needs them to see what they may be getting into! Or feel free to stop by my shop with my nice restored car is sitting on the gouged and scraped up new lift! A few mods and parts and it seems to work fine now, just don’t look at it in the light! Good thing we car guys can modify and make things work!
gtoblade
 

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If you paid for it with a credit card, take your problem to the credit card company. Then when they reverse the transaction, notify the company that they are free to come and pack up there defective lift and take it back. This is what I would do. If the lift isn't as advertised, and doesn't work the way that it is represented, then it is a defective product. You can also notify your state consumers affairs department and request there help. Once you have space in your garage, consider buying a Bend Pak lift. They stand behind their products 100%. I won't say that they have never had a problem, but in every instance, they have always worked with the customer to resolve the problems to 100% satisfaction.
 

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I will have to call the bank (used a checking card/debit card) and see what options they have!
I watched the video earlier in this thread (hadnt seen it before) I know why they call it "Self help university". It explains why Greg Smith got nasty with me like I was bothering them and told me he would "hold my hand" filling out claims forms if I wanted! It was unreal!!!
I dont mind working on stuff, I really dont, but when you buy something new and spend 3600 bucks for a lift and jack.........I expect it to work and look right! Silly of me isnt it! And to think I got talked out of a Bend Pak for this one!!!
Thanks for the idea!!!!!!
 

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Sorry to hear about the service you received from Greg Smith, but I have seen and used the Pro Park 8 and it had none of the issues you are talking about.
 

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Wouldnt that be nice if they all were like that! Who knows, maybe this is one of a few or just isolated to the PP9 plus!? Found out the wheels have been a problem on several lately. But even if it was a bad egg in the batch, nothing can explain the attitude and response I got from Greg Smith Equipment.
If I had found this thread before i bought, I wouldnt be in this mess now!
 
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I have always heard very good things about Rotary, since I am in the market for a lift, I checked out Oil Equipment Company's website, there was a link to eBay auctions, and they had a Rotary Motorcycle Lift, since I own a motorcycle shop I was interested. I was surprised at what I saw. Visually the lift is identical to the Direct Lift XLT I purchased from Greg Smith Equipment, so I checked out the specs, guess what they are also identical.

So Ben, can you prove that the Rotary RXLDT Motorcycle lift is not a rebranded Direct Lift? :headscrat Or is the extra $300 just for the Rotary name?

That being said the Direct Lift is an excellent piece of equipment. Greg Smith Equipment will tell you flat out that they sent a Handy Lift to an offshore manufacture to reverse engineer and copy, the only change they made is the table is diamond plate instead of smooth. My technician worked on Handy's for 6 years and he cannot tell the difference.

Now, I wonder if the Rotary Car Lifts are rebranded Direct Lifts too, if so that would make me feel alot better about those.

Heres the skinny on Rotary and Direct Lift:

About 4 Years ago Rotary purchased Direct Lift and all of their manufacturing, etc. At that time, Rotary completely re-tooled the manufacturing, marketing, and added the ALI/ANSI and ISO-9000 Cert's to their line.

The ONLY "Rotary" lifts that are the same are the Revloution line. So anything else that Rotary offers (i.e. the SPOA10's and up) is made in Madison, IN at the original Rotary plant that has been there for almost 100 years. And on the reverse, ALL other Direct lifts are not built to any Rotary standard and are in fact manufactured all together differently from what Im told. So the long and the short its that if you want the best bang for you buck, buy the Revolution equal from Direct.

The differences are subtle: A few minor things like higher quality power units, and cables. Also, the Direct line has only a 6-months Parts ONLY warranty vs. Rotarys 6 Months Parts/Labor/Travel, and 1 year parts. This is on the blanket warranty. The structural and power unit warrantys are the same....but Ive never seen a claim yet :)

Im not going to blow smoke and say that you are not paying for the Rotary name at all, because we all know that you are. But you are also paying for the warranty, and support structure that Rotary provides as well.....its up to the individual to decide if that is worth enough to them to pay the higher price. I completely understand that to some people those additional advantages just arent enough. I personally wish that I could offer the Revolutions about $500 cheaper than they are, but that Rotary's call.

A couple people have pointed at my posts as if Im just another "salesman"....not sure what about my posts would suggest that, as I have never said (nor will I ever) that Rotary is the only option. Depending on a persons needs, its not uncommon that the additional cost/quality of a Rotary is truely not needed. On many occasions, I have referred people to competative lifts after finding out their needs and/or budget.

Im more than willing to help out with any lift questions.....over 20 years in the business with multiple companies ( not all Rotary :) )

One last answer to a question that I think was further up in the thread:
I see where some people apparently called Rotary and were told that the RFP9 was not designed for rolling jacks, and that Rotary did not recommend them.
To clarify this, the Direct 4500lb jack WILL work on a RFP9. Im actually petitioning Rotary as we speak to add these to the Revolution line (along with a price drop :) ).

Thanks,

Ben
 
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I have been to the Dover owned Chinese factory. I have been to the Rotary plant in Madison , Indiana many times.
I am sure Ben is a great guy and very knowledgeable about lifts, but his "facts" are incorrect. If anyone would like to know the real story as to where many of the Rotary branded lifts (or any lifts for that matter) are made, please give me a call.
There is a big difference between the words "assembled" and "made".
Ben, give me a call at the office....and I will be glad to give you the cold hard facts...even though those facts may burst your "Red Oval" bubble.
 
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I have been to the Dover owned Chinese factory. I have been to the Rotary plant in Madison , Indiana many times.
I am sure Ben is a great guy and very knowledgeable about lifts, but his "facts" are incorrect. If anyone would like to know the real story as to where many of the Rotary branded lifts (or any lifts for that matter) are made, please give me a call.
There is a big difference between the words "assembled" and "made".
Ben, give me a call at the office....and I will be glad to give you the cold hard facts...even though those facts may burst your "Red Oval" bubble.

First off, I dont have a "Red Oval" bubble. If you read my post youd understand that although I work for a company thats a Rotary Dist, I most certainly dont think they are the end all be all in the industry. As fact to that, I own a challenger, and my father has his Vette up on a Complete Hydraulic :)

Id like to discuss further.....If I have stated something inaccaurate as you have suggested, Id like to find out what so that I can be as informed as possible.

I dont see where you have listed a number. Id be happy to call if you can supply me with one.

Thanks,

Ben
920-312-3550
 
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revlover

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Great... two competing distributors fighting each other.

Smart approach, guys. Hope it brings in customers...

:wtf:
 
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