40 x 50 workshop new build
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jonnmtjuliet
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I'm sure once I'm done I will but sometimes the journey makes you question your decisions. I'm very thankful for the help from my family as well. Couldn't of got it done without them! Although my wife tried to drop a truss on my head but that's a story for another day...
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Nothing really photogenic to share but I did finally get all of the purlins done on the main building. The week of rain didn't help... Hopefully, next week Monday the weather will play along and I can get the rest of the trusses up for the gable porch or whatever it should be called. This week I need to get the tape measure and see how bad the roof is out of square and correct so I can lock it down with the diagonal bracing. After that I can start to put up the girts which should really tighten it up. On 12' sticks it has a good bit of movement at the moment but nothing terrible.
So this is where I stand. Something that resembles a workshop and the lumber pile is getting smaller.
So this is where I stand. Something that resembles a workshop and the lumber pile is getting smaller.
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Well a couple of honest cold days worth of work fighting the weather but making progress. Again not extremely photogenic but just capturing my glacial progress. Should have the better part of the gurts completed tomorrow except for the gables and last row under the soffit. I need to get the facia up and measure where the soffit will land on the eaves. Assuming the weather holds I'll have some extra hands and hopefully a lift on Friday to get the rest of the trusses and headers up.
So here's where I'm at as of finishing tonight and the pile is getting even smaller...
So here's where I'm at as of finishing tonight and the pile is getting even smaller...
Firebrick43
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So there is no sheathing?
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Double post
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jonnmtjuliet
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No. I’ll wrap it with house wrap and then metal panels goes up. It’s sort of a hybrid stick/post frame
Firebrick43
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And an engineer put their stamp on the plans?
I don’t see any of the 8 approved bracing methods in IRC 602.10?
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jonnmtjuliet
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that is not required in my area so I don't have an engineer stamp. With the 2x4 girts 2' on center the structure isn't going anywhere not to mention once the metal is up it will lock it down completely.
I realize this isn't the normal build but its done around here fairly often.
I realize this isn't the normal build but its done around here fairly often.
Firebrick43
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Um every building needs bracing of to deal with the wind except smaller pole buildings. Pole buildings have poles in the ground to transfer the wind loads into bending moments. You don’t have poles so it needs bracing to convert the wind loads into shear moments for the sill to transfer to the foundation. Even larger pole buildings need additional bracing or ones with large areas of door openings.
That is why IRC was created to ensure standard platform framed buildings can be safely built without being engineered(because the standards were engineered).
The girts do very little to brace against wind load. It make your building into a giant pantograph
Without the types of bracing laid out in IRC 602.10 your building is unsafe framed the way you are doing it.
That is why IRC was created to ensure standard platform framed buildings can be safely built without being engineered(because the standards were engineered).
The girts do very little to brace against wind load. It make your building into a giant pantograph
Without the types of bracing laid out in IRC 602.10 your building is unsafe framed the way you are doing it.
billconner
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I would worry that with windy storms it will lean a little - especially the side with all the openings. The metal provides some lateral bracing but I don't think enough. Ply/osb even sheetrock on interior would possibly be enough.
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Thanks for the feed back. I will be sheeting the interior with ply but I do see the issue with racking as it stands. I'll put in some let-in bracing to remedy that. Also, my finished front wall will be 2' feet of studs with metal bracing on the inside. I need to ask Simpson if they recommend horizontal strapping or diagonal as I have it in the picture. Finished it will be sheeted as well. I'll do this for each of the 2' sections on the front.
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The family came over to lend and hand and was able to get the gable porch up. I also cut in all of the let-in braces which locked it down. With rainy weather I think its time to take a much needed rest... Happy New Year everyone!
Damn that's going to be sweet! I didn't see much in the way of stats in your posts -- is that 50 wide by 40 deep? are those 12x12 doors? are those 12' walls above the block kneewall? I'm getting ready to start a 32x50 this spring with doors on the eaves side as well. What did you end up needing for headers above the doors? cheers
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Looking great, looking forward to seeing the siding go up.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing.
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Well it started off as a 30x40 on paper and then sorta grew... its a 50x40 with 2' block and then 12' 6" walls including the plates. The doors are 12x12. I went with 3 2x12 headers per opening. Also, I continued the roof line to have a open gable porch which adds another 14' to it. I'm just about ready for metal. I haven't got any quotes yet but on torn on installing it or just paying to have it done.
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Thanks. that makes the two of us...
1Garageman
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I am subscribing! Looks like a very nice build!!
jonathco
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Subscribed!
cj8lvr
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This is looking great!
Beautiful, funny how they keep growing. That covered open space is nice too, I've got a few toys that would love to park under that. I'm playing with autocad right now, and it's gone from 30x30 weeks ago, to the latest version at 36x50 lol. I'm going to do the same to get to 14' ceilings with icf frost walls.
I just redid my shingle roof with ribbed black metal, 29 ga, longest pieces were just over 23'. I did it all myself with the help of a 16' long skid I built for my skid steer on the pallet forks. I would not have wanted to stand up those long pieces by myself, but 12' walls wouldn't be too too bad. That being said, that's a hell of a lot of square footage, and if you're talking the roof too, I'd definitely want help. I was cursing myself the whole time I was doing the roof for not hiring someone, but in fairness the metal install was the easy part, it was the removing all the shingles, pulling all the nails, re-sheathing a quarter of the roof decking that had rotten away, and strapping on 16" centres that killed me lol. If you go it alone, best thing I did was bought a Makita Tek screwdriver for running the roofing screws, WAY faster than an impact. Good luck.
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Good luck with your project. At least some of the materials have come down in price so that should help. I was going to do a lean-to but being it was on the gable end it wasn't that much more to do. Plus in the future if I need more enclosed space I have that to work with.
Its a lot of metal for one person. I'm sure my family would help but depending on costs I may just hire it out. Then again labor rates are pretty high in my area and my budget has gotten beat up pretty bad... I'll take a look at the Makita.
I'm hopeful this weekend I'll get all of the framing completed.
rixtrix1
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Check some post frame builds from RRBuildings on YT. Only way he builds and he always does X-bracing in the corners. Buildngs up to 200x 80
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Well I'm way late on updates but to be fare the weather really hasn't been my friend and most of my labor isn't anything picture worthy. However, I have framing to the point where I'm ready to install metal. It goes against my nature but I'm going to install it via check. I figure by the time i rent equipment and cash in favors with friends/family I'd be better off paying someone to do it professionally. Also, with all the rain the lumber is really starting to turn dark on me so I want to just get it done.
So I should take delivery of the metal later this week and installers start on Monday. BTW metal prices really haven't moved much in a positive manner here. $2.99 running foot.
So I should take delivery of the metal later this week and installers start on Monday. BTW metal prices really haven't moved much in a positive manner here. $2.99 running foot.
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Materials are in. going with monochromatic color scheme. Burnished slate for everything and the doors will be a lighter brown. I'm excited to get this thing dried in.
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Finally able to get some work done. Have to love the 4 seasons in one week in TN... All framing is complete and tin is going up. A lot of trim work today which is slow. Tomorrow should have a lot more progress. I'm happy with the color and should fit in well with the house.
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Another day getting closer. Assuming the weather holds I should be weather tight Tuesday minus overhead doors.
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Well still fighting the weather…. Just need one more good day to wrap up the metal work. Getting there
Looks good! The weather in TN this year has been awful. Its pushed my concrete back several times but we finally got it poured. Then nice day and next thing you know its raining and cant move dirt. Im just hoping for a couple of clear days so I can get my building up in a couple weeks. Keep at it!
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Tell me about it. 4 seasons in one week. Good luck on your build.
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metal is done... well at least the installers are done. I have a few things I want to address that they didn't. Another conversation for another day. All in all I think it looks really good and glad to be water tight. the only negative is the color really shows off any imperfection but I think once its all complete it will look great. Now on to garage doors, electrical, rock veneer, lights, gutters, and sealing the garage floor. At least now I can work on my time regardless of the weather.
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I know... hoping its just thunderstorms and nothing crazy. Today is the 1 yr anniversary for the Mt Juliet tornados that went through
jbrentd
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Looks great! Congrats on getting to this point.
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not a lot happening this weekend but I did get the sub panel mounted at least. I have some grounding rods that I have no idea how they are going to get in with all this rock. I guess I'll see how that goes tomorrow... Lowes didn't have any 2-2-2-4 so that will have to wait.
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I was able to work on the electrical this weekend. During excavation I had dropped in a 2” and 2 1” conduits so I just had to find where it stopped and brought the 2” in to the main disconnect. The 1” go into the crawl space for low voltage and hopefully pex…. I’m sure the inspector is not going to like me not having the trench open but will leave it open where I had to dig to find the 2”. I didn’t have a pull string in the conduit and didn’t have a snake that long. So for those in this same situation I used my shop vac and made an aluminum foil ball around a washer to pull it through. Worked great…
I did the same for the low voltage. I was having no luck finding 2-2-2-4 SER but got lucky on market place found 100’ for $100. So I have that ran into the garage subpanel. I have all my light boxes mounted and wire roughed in. I have two rows of 5 boxes on two circuits. Leaning towards using the 150w hyperlites but I have time to make that decision.
I have the garage doors and openers on order which was a chunk of cash. It’s just amazing how expensive things have gotten.
So here’s where I’m at which should be ready to schedule my electric rough in. However if you see something off let me know. I totally missed the conduit coming in to the shop so I had to get the heat gun out and massage it the best I could.
I did the same for the low voltage. I was having no luck finding 2-2-2-4 SER but got lucky on market place found 100’ for $100. So I have that ran into the garage subpanel. I have all my light boxes mounted and wire roughed in. I have two rows of 5 boxes on two circuits. Leaning towards using the 150w hyperlites but I have time to make that decision.
I have the garage doors and openers on order which was a chunk of cash. It’s just amazing how expensive things have gotten.
So here’s where I’m at which should be ready to schedule my electric rough in. However if you see something off let me know. I totally missed the conduit coming in to the shop so I had to get the heat gun out and massage it the best I could.
