40 x 64 Workshop in Wisconsin

[DaveF.]

Dave: the Garage or shop or SHED as you call it is shaping up nicely. sounds like the entire family is helping after the contractors have done their work which is great. i too just upgraded my garage doors and have that opener. it's awesome how quiet it is compared to the old 1/2 HP Craftsman i installed almost 30 years ago.

besides the clock, temperature and light motion detector i think yours will also close automatically after a minute, two or you can put on hold to stay open. be careful if its on an automatic close and you step outside with your keys in the garage. luckily when it happened to me i was emptying the garbage and taking cans to the curb when garage door closed and someone was inside my house to let me inside.

you are doing great with the pictures too.

drivesitfar: Hmm.. I hadn't noticed any automatic closing option. I will check it out though, I think I'd rather it be disabled.

BTW... I checked out your Vise Repair 101 site... VERY COOL. It always amazes when people are willing to take on an esoteric or obscure topic, and dig way down into it past even the hope of eventual corresponding compensation, become an expert, and then gladly pass on the info that took years if not decades to acquire, to anyone, without expecting anything in return. Those kind of people really make the world a better place. THANKS

 

[DaveF.]

Where are you located in wi?

We're located about 25 minutes east of Hudson, WI near the WI/MN border.

 

[Jeep Monkey RTR]

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[drivesitfar]

Dave: i have the same garage door opener as you do on one of my single garage doors and on the other one i have the side mounted unit and that one for sure has the delayed scheduled closing. not sure the other one i have that you have has that option, but it might. it is a great opener and my insulated doors really make a difference in my garage now.

thanks for the good words about our little Vise Repair 101 thread, but it is a combined effort so there are other like minded members on this forum that also share there knowledge when asked or voluntarily.

i'm jealous of the space you have for your shops and barns and stuff and hopefully one day we'll move out of the city and have a spot similar.

your pictures are awesome and you are making great progress too and thanks for sharing.

 

[DaveF.]

I'm jealous of the space you have for your shops and barns and stuff and hopefully one day we'll move out of the city and have a spot similar.

drivesitfar: We are INCREDIBLY fortunate and blessed to now live in this rural area where we measure our building lots in acres instead of square feet. Back in the 90's we lived in a small apartment, in a western Minneapolis suburb. We were in the process of making the decision whether to renew our lease, find a new apartment, or buy a small fixer-upper house. But then I lost my dream job and my world shattered. We moved back to Western Wisconsin where we've been ever since. In hind site, the loss of that 'dream' job was one of the best things that ever happened to me.

 

[drivesitfar]

Dave: sounds like you are living the dream without the dream job. congrats on making that change work out for the best.

keep posting up those awesome pictures and i haven't seen every garage (shed) pole barn construction on here, but i can tell you that yours should be the warmest with all the extra work you are doing.

i can't remember if you weld or even need a steel table, but i'm planning on obtaining that skill. i'm also planning on building a pair of these steel tables so i can roll them into the middle of my shop and use sort of as nice sawhorses if i have a big project. since you definitely have the space i thought you might like to see a couple pictures since i'm making a comment post anyway.

keep up the great work and you wouldn't even know you are doing this in the middle of winter with al the progress you are making.

 

[DaveF.]

i can't remember if you weld or even need a steel table, but i'm planning on obtaining that skill. i'm also planning on building a pair of these steel tables so i can roll them into the middle of my shop and use sort of as nice sawhorses if i have a big project. since you definitely have the space i thought you might like to see a couple pictures since i'm making a comment post anyway.

I LOVE that table. I do not weld, yet, but it is definitely on my list of things to learn.

 

[1/2 Cup]

You have a fantastic build and its coming along nicely, many thanks for posting..

Regards

 

[DaveF.]

You have a fantastic build and its coming along nicely, many thanks for posting..

Regards

Thanks, 1/2 Cup. I read through your Shed Downunder thread. WOW!!! Very impressive.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Thanks, 1/2 Cup. I read through your Shed Downunder thread. WOW!!! Very impressive.

Much appreciated Dave.

 

[ishiboo]

Love the build! I'm really excited to see it as I'm building a 40x60. (I might try and sneak another 2-4 feet of depth in.)

My doors will be on the long side though.

10' high?

 

[bfarroo]

Are you going to run the electrical outside the walls in conduit? Also is the insulation technique to limit cold joints like you would get with running additional 2x6 vertically? I may do something similar In my shed, I'm planning to put the electrical in the wall so I may need to do something for that. Keep up the good work.

 

[Ballistic Jello]

Dave, I mean no offense by this, but why OSB instead of drywall? I recently looked at a house with an extra deep 3 car detached and was puzzled why they did it there as well, they did a poor job painting and it really brought down the appearance of the garage. Again I don't mean to be disrespectful, just curious how it will turn out.

 

[Catadj78]

Great build! Keep the pics coming.

 

[DaveF.]

Love the build! I'm really excited to see it as I'm building a 40x60. (I might try and sneak another 2-4 feet of depth in.)

My doors will be on the long side though.

10' high?

Thanks Ishiboo.

The ceiling is 11' high, the big garage door is 10' high.

BTW... you know what they say... no man has ever built a shed or garage that was too big. When I started planning this, the plan was 30x36. We blamed it on 'shed inflation'.

Good luck with your build.

 

[DaveF.]

Are you going to run the electrical outside the walls in conduit? Also is the insulation technique to limit cold joints like you would get with running additional 2x6 vertically? I may do something similar In my shed, I'm planning to put the electrical in the wall so I may need to do something for that. Keep up the good work.

Hi Bfaroo,

Yes, I am running the electrical on the surface in conduit. As a matter of fact, that's what I was doing today. I planned to paint the walls before running any conduit but it's been terribly cold and I couldn't wait so I started running outlets on one wall today.

I went back and forth between framing out the walls or doing it this way. Each way seemed to have its pluses and minuses. And yeah, someone on this site pointed out that this way had fewer insulation gaps. He also pointed out that if a person is framing out the walls, you might have just as well stick built the entire shed. But the clincher was that when the builders put the ceiling in they put a perlin on the top to fasten their j-channel to. And for the floor, Cousin Phil added a board on the face of the posts to sit on top of the pink insulation below the concrete. So, if I would have framed out the walls it would have been pretty strange on the top and the bottom. Had the top and the bottom been flush with the posts I would have done it the other way.

Good luck with your build.

 

[DaveF.]

Dave, I mean no offense by this, but why OSB instead of drywall? I recently looked at a house with an extra deep 3 car detached and was puzzled why they did it there as well, they did a poor job painting and it really brought down the appearance of the garage. Again I don't mean to be disrespectful, just curious how it will turn out.

Hi Ballistic Jello,

No offense taken. You make a great point. I've seen people try to paint OSB white, and I didn't like it either. I'm hoping it won't look that bad painted tan. The bottom line is, I put sheetrock in the last garage we built, and I put it in a business I built back in the 80s, and I've helped several people put it up in their basements, and I just didn't feel like doing it for this. So...

1) I don't like how sheetrock looks when all the screws are showing so I'd need to mud and paint it.
2) I hate mudding sheetrock
3) I hate sanding sheetrock
4) I hate how you can't just screw into it without using anchors

And my dream is to someday cover the walls with other stuff. Like barn board, car siding, slat board, corrugated tin, ??? But odds are stuff will start going up on the walls and none of that will ever happen. Who knows...

 

[DaveF.]

Great build! Keep the pics coming.

Thanks, Catadj78. I will.

 

[RedDirtRoad]

Dave,
Can you tell me the roof pitch on your new pole barn? I think I read ther height is 11 ft at the eves?
Thanks
-Dominic

 

[CNGsaves]

Maybe I missed it but how are you heating the "shed" . . . ie AWESOME build workshop??

In Wisconsin I would presume that natural gas is best choice as affordable.

 

[drivesitfar]

Dave: nice job on the electrical. did you do that yourself?

 

[DaveF.]

Dave,
Can you tell me the roof pitch on your new pole barn? I think I read ther height is 11 ft at the eves?
Thanks
-Dominic

Hi Dominic,

My wife had three requirements when we were negotiating the workshop.

1) She picked the colors
2) She picked the location
3) She picked the roof pitch... which was 6/12

I was more concerned about square footage, concrete floor, insulation, etc... So yep, the 6/12 roof pitch was purely an aesthetic issue. It was more expensive than 3/12 or 4/12 which the builder said were much more common in a building that size.

Take care...

 

[DaveF.]

Dave: nice job on the electrical. did you do that yourself?

Thanks DrivesItFar,

Yes, I did. Two GFCI protected 20 amp circuits, in single 3/4 inch conduit, with surface boxes, individual neutrals, 12 gauge wire, green wired ground.

I used white outlets on one circuit and tan outlets on the other circuit.

 

[DaveF.]

Maybe I missed it but how are you heating the "shed" . . . ie AWESOME build workshop??

In Wisconsin I would presume that natural gas is best choice as affordable.

Hi CNGsaves.

We live in a very rural area so we don't have access to natural gas, but I am planning to get a big LP tank.

As of now I'm assuming something like a mini-split (or two) in the clean area, and something like a Modine PDP250 (http://www.supplyhouse.com/Modine-PDP250-PDP250-Power-Vented-Propeller-Unit-Heater-250000-BTU) in the garage area.

But I would really appreciate it if you guys who know HVAC would give me suggestions, both in general and specific. HVAC is one of the areas where I have no experience or knowledge.

 

[vntperformance]

Amazing build!

 

[drivesitfar]

Dave: you must have been an electrician in a prior life because that work you have done so far is perfection. i also like that you put GFCI's on your circuits and that you changed the color of your outlets for each circuit.

sorry i don't have HVAC, but if i find a member that does i'll try and send them to your thread.

looking great so far and keep posting pictures of your progress as you can.

 

[DaveF.]

Thanks for the compliment, Drivesitfar. But if I had been an electrician in a previous life I would have used 2" surface boxes instead of the 1.5" boxes. It was tougher than I expected to get the outlets and the 12 gauge solid wire into those 1.5" boxes.

Dave

 

[drivesitfar]

Dave: it does look professional and even though it was a bit tougher to install i bet it looks better than getting the bigger boxes or using 14 wire.

good luck with the rest

 

[BUGTHUG]

Very nice building, I just built one almost the same size. Now I have used osb on the walls of my other barn, and the secret to the paint is a good primer. I have used both types oil and latex. I think what works best is oil primer and a latex top coat, I used a thick nap roller and all the little wood chippeys filled in good. Plus I like to hang stuff on my walls, like signs and license plates, they take up a lot of space.
My barn is a 40 X 60 with a 20 X 60 lean2

 

[DaveF.]

Dave: it does look professional and even though it was a bit tougher to install i bet it looks better than getting the bigger boxes or using 14 wire.

good luck with the rest

Yeah, the 12 was necessary for the 20 amp circuits. 14 wouldn't have met code. I probably could have gotten away with 15 amp circuits on 14, but why chance it. With 2 20s on that wall I should have plenty of juice.

 

[DaveF.]

Very nice building, I just built one almost the same size. Now I have used osb on the walls of my other barn, and the secret to the paint is a good primer. I have used both types oil and latex. I think what works best is oil primer and a latex top coat, I used a thick nap roller and all the little wood chippeys filled in good. Plus I like to hang stuff on my walls, like signs and license plates, they take up a lot of space.
My barn is a 40 X 60 with a 20 X 60 lean2

Hi Bugthug. Thanks for the painting tips!

 

[bobbyu]

I put 7/16 OSB up inside my garage and really like being able to hang things anywhere. I painted mine white. I first bought some cheap paint from Menards, big mistake. When I needed more I purchased some better paint. Here's some pictures of it where I hung some of my tools. It really brighten it up painting it white.

 

[DaveF.]

Hi Bobbyu,

Yep, my wife is the painter in the family and she has already reiterated what you are saying... avoid the cheap paint. She's told me we're going to take a sample to Sherwin Williams and do whatever they tell us. But she assumes we'll need a good oil primer and then a latex top coat (just like Bugthug previously mentioned).

BTW... your painted OSB looks great to me.

 

[bobbyu]

It's not perfect but it sures works better for me then the drywall I have in my other garage. I put it up with screws and all ready pulled a couple pieces down so I could run an air line and do a little rewiring. Then I put it back up.
good luck.

 

[ishiboo]

Very nice building, I just built one almost the same size. Now I have used osb on the walls of my other barn, and the secret to the paint is a good primer. I have used both types oil and latex. I think what works best is oil primer and a latex top coat, I used a thick nap roller and all the little wood chippeys filled in good. Plus I like to hang stuff on my walls, like signs and license plates, they take up a lot of space.
My barn is a 40 X 60 with a 20 X 60 lean2

Makes sense. A latex paint is a water base, an oil-based paint is oil-based. What does water do to wood but swell it up.

I like drywall. Looks a hell of a lot better finished IMO, and with the various drywall hangers they have these days you can easily hang just about anything you need, at any place, without worrying about it. Of course it's to each his/her own, if I was banging stuff against the walls all the time I would much prefer plywood or, last case scenario OSB, I'm sure.

 

[DaveF.]

I like drywall. Looks a hell of a lot better finished IMO, and with the various drywall hangers they have these days you can easily hang just about anything you need, at any place, without worrying about it. Of course it's to each his/her own, if I was banging stuff against the walls all the time I would much prefer plywood or, last case scenario OSB, I'm sure.

Hi Ishiboo,

Like I said before, I totally see your point. In hind sight, I kind of wish I would have gone with plywood. I think it would have cost somewhere around $1000 more than the OSB. At the time it was $1000 I didn't have.

 

[BUGTHUG]

sometimes on C-list you can find people selling plywood crating material pretty cheap. I came across a trailer house mfg that is selling 19/32 osb that they use to wrap their big pallet of osb in, they don't want to take the staples out so they sell it at $8.00 a sheet and its T&G. not bad, just got to get it when its available.
Its seems with the OSB it has 2 sides one with the large chippeys and the other is smaller chippeys and some kind of glue that rises to the top and gives it a weird texture. I usually paint the big side of chippeys.

 

[swaterbenny]

Nice garage! How much was your original build price from Northland Buildings if you don't mind? I live north of New Richmond, so not far from you, and I'm getting ready to build a 40x56 this spring. Ben

 

[DaveF.]

Nice garage! How much was your original build price from Northland Buildings if you don't mind? I live north of New Richmond, so not far from you, and I'm getting ready to build a 40x56 this spring. Ben

Hi Ben,

Northland charged me $44,091 including steal ceiling and ceiling insulation.

Good luck on your build.

Dave

 

[CNGsaves]

OP . . shop is coming along nicely.

Not bad price of $44K for that size.

Are you meaning STEEL interior ceiling, or that you got a Steal (ie a bargain) ??