40x60 garage planning

[notdavidspade]

Hello all, first time post!
I'm in the process of planning and designing a 40x60 shop. One of my requirements is the building needs to have curb appeal and have a stucco finish. I'm considering block options as well as steel, but haven't seen many steel buildings on here with a stucco look. I am not interested in stick built. I'm in Florida and don't want to worry about hurricanes or termites. Does anyone have experience with stucco look steel building? Pros, cons? If you have such a building, please share or provide a link to your build. Thanks!

 

[tkiranch]

I don't have any stucco experience, but I do have experience with a 40x60 building. Go bigger if you can. I'm trying to figure out how to afford an addition to mine after 6 years


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[ard]

There are a zillion hits on google image...

Regarding your question, stucco finish isn't the issue, it's curb appeal. What is YOUR criteria on curb appeal???

You trying to match other building types/styles?

Just a rectangle? Height? Doors?

 

[matt_i]

Concrete block walls with stucco exterior, steel trusses?

 

[macdabs]

I agree on the bigger. I have a 40 x80 and almost went 40 x 60 in the beginning. Now I wish I had another 20' bay and did a 50 or 40 x 100'. It would be nice to have a 40 x 20 divided area for a wash and disassemble area. One that could also be converted for a temp paint booth or detail area.
Mac

 

[NitroGarage]

Went 40x60x16, main shop is 40x40 and the 40x20 is 2 story office/bathroom/mechanical, engine room, machine shop, and the upstairs is a rec room.

Added a 40x10 mezzanine in for more storage, front wall has a 20x4 shelf as part of the front workbench area.

Added a wrap around deck for somewhat covered storage on the back 40'.

Talking about a pole barn now for other things.

 

[notdavidspade]

Thanks everyone for the responses. I'm trying to match my house, which is a block stucco home. I'm sure bigger is always better, but my wife says the garage can't be bigger than the house, which I think is a reasonable restriction. My current plans are for 12 ft. walls, a 4/12 slope roof, and either scissor trust or steel trust so I can have plenty of room for a lift. I'm trying to keep my budget close to 50K for this project, which would include a dressed shell and basic electrical. Ballpark estimates for block have come in at 70-80K which is more than I want to spend. If I can get the look I want for 20 to 30 grand less, and be happy with the building, then obviously I'd prefer to go that route. I've seen plenty of pictures of stucco'd buildings, and know they can be attractive, looking for input from real people that have done it, lived with it, costs involved etc.

Nitro, your garage sounds terrific!

 

[notdavidspade]

a rough drawing... the idea behind the extension is to be able to extend the roof down and make the walls not look so tall. Excuse my lack of talent in shetchup.

 

[notdavidspade]

Does anyone have experience with stuccoing a metal building? Does it fall off with heavy wind if it flexes? Or when your friend backs into it with their truck? Or when your kid throws a baseball off of it?

 

[notdavidspade]

stucco over metal??

Selfish bump up... doesn't anyone have a metal building with an alternative finish?

 

[rayra]

It's not going to stick to the painted steel. And any flex / give in the steel will break the stucco loose too.

I've done stucco repairs, renovations on stucco-finished stick homes in Socal, I've stuccoed block walls. the cement / lime in your stucco mix has to have either a porous rigid surface to bond with, or a mechanical attachment method - and that's what chickenwire is about. Or EMM.

You'd going to need something to secure the typical tarpaper / wire mesh of a proper stucco install. In third-world countries they sometimes do a grid of bailing wire as a support framework. I don't see how you are going to avoid using either block or wood.

Were it me, I'd build with block and learn how to stucco. The process is not hard and can be done inexpensively, with piles of raw ingredients and a rental / cheap mixer. The application technique is easy to pick up, but you'd best have strong wrists beforehand or you'll be suffering.
The real hassle comes if there's a particular style of stucco finish you are trying ot match. That's more practice. I'd just practice on a sheet of plywood until I got the technique down, before going for the real thing. Do it a few times. Once you are done with an application, scrape it off before it sets, then do it again. several times, get the feel of it.
Typically you butter the wall from bottom to top, rough-smoothing after most is down. Stucco is usually applied in two stages. A rough coat to adhere to the wall material, then a finish / color coat to build it up and apply your preferred style of finish.

You can find everything you need to know on YouTube, if you are willing to try it yourself. Consider it. It's good exercise. And given your budgetary constraints it sounds like you should consider it.

 

[Radix2]

If you look around at commercial buildings, you may find some with metal frames and stucco finish.

To hold the stucco you will need much more framing than what you see here on metal sided barns. My guess is by the time you add that structure, the costs will be similar to going with block.

About the only work around might be using one of the stucco style siding panels if you could get the design to look right, these would install like any other siding product and be much cheaper than real stucco.

At $21 a square foot and going for something beyond a simple metal barn, your budget may be unrealistic.

 

[pmiranda]

Yep, James Hardie has a cement board panel that looks similar enough to stucco from 50 feet away. The portions of our house that aren't stucco or stone are covered with that paneling and it's fine. Depending on how your building will face the entrance and house you could do most of it in cement board panel and do the pretty side with real stone or stucco, with "columns" wrapping the corners so you don't see the panel unless you're far to the side.