48x36 garage/apartment

[jopickens]

SO I decided (as I am designing this as I go) that the center load bearing wall/headers would be unsightly and structurally in the way of my living space. I opted to get a quote on the trusses built for clear span. Similar... but different in their design/specs.

Josh

 

[jopickens]

Finished framing (minus tying in the side walls) up the front wall today, hopefully sheet and wrap tomorrow pending rain/wind etc.

Josh

 

[Jimbo..]

Looking good. How many square feet is the apartment going to be?

 

[jopickens]

~1000 sq. ft. (48x22) above the ~1700 sq. ft. (48x36) garage. I threw a design together some time ago for the upstairs. It's really whatever the wife wants in the end...

Josh

 

[katotter]

Ah - send me some links or explain in more detail please.
I read your thread, love the tile and how you finished off the brick. Looks like it was always there... nice.
Josh

Will see if Is till have the links. But the main issue is with movement. The lowest part will move more than the level part, thus taring itself apart essentially. Wallplate is also a issue and affixing it, it needs to have room to move.

Thank you for the nice comments on my build.

 

[jopickens]

Ok all - I'm putting down titanium UDL 30 on 3/4" T&G osb on the roof of this garage. What length nail should I get for my Bostitch Cap Nailer (#N66BC-1) ? I plan on ring shanks... 2" or 2-1/4" or 2-1/2" ? I'd like the rings to "live in" the osb vs. a nail that is so long the rings are through and the smooth shank is what's left embedded in the osb.
Thoughts?
Josh

 

[jopickens]

Actually the gun will shoot 1-1/4" -> 2-1/2"
So for cap nailing titanium udl-30 to 3/4" osb - 1-1/4" nail ok?

 

[HOTFR8]

Nice to see that plan. It looks like an interesting plan.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Ok all - I'm putting down titanium UDL 30 on 3/4" T&G osb on the roof of this garage. What length nail should I get for my Bostitch Cap Nailer (#N66BC-1) ? I plan on ring shanks... 2" or 2-1/4" or 2-1/2" ? I'd like the rings to "live in" the osb vs. a nail that is so long the rings are through and the smooth shank is what's left embedded in the osb.
Thoughts?
Josh

Actually the gun will shoot 1-1/4" -> 2-1/2"
So for cap nailing titanium udl-30 to 3/4" osb - 1-1/4" nail ok?

This might help you.

http://www.interwrap.com/Titanium/udl_30_install.html

 

[jopickens]

Right on... Thank you. Yes when all else fails read the manual huh. I printed those off this afternoon at work. I ordered a box of 1-1/4" ring shanks as well. I want to put the underlayment down with precision because who knows how long it will take me to install the metal roofing.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Honestly, I did a google search because I didn't know what the stuff was. That's the only reason I found it.

 

[jopickens]

Scratch the UDL-30 as well... I was able to order online w/free shipping titanium UDL-50 cheaper than what I could source UDL-30 locally... go figure.

 

[jopickens]

You know... Throughout this process of posting my build I expected (since I'm an amateur) far more "Why are you doing it that way?" questions or "That will never work!" statements... I can only surmise I'm doing a few things correctly or no one is really paying attention. ha
Josh

 

[madoc1]

watching here. sturdy well done building. did you hire an architech? looks like it, with all the details.

jim

 

[jopickens]

Thanks! But I wasn't afforded that luxury... Plan as I go, google when I need to.
(Don't get me wrong - I love the plan/eng./design part... Unfortunately I usually run out of interest/steam the moment I realize all the time I've put into the prior three phases appears to actually be working!)
Josh

 

[NUTTSGT]

You know... Throughout this process of posting my build I expected (since I'm an amateur) far more "Why are you doing it that way?" questions or "That will never work!" statements... I can only surmise I'm doing a few things correctly or no one is really paying attention. ha
Josh

I don't think many have used the SIP before. It's new to most and are following along.

 

[jopickens]

The weather outside hasn't been the best. I've spent the last 4 days prefabricating all 30 of the 2nd floor SIP panels. (two side walls and back wall of the garage/apartment - front wall is 2x8 stick built)


Back wall of SIPs and 1st rear most panel on each side wall piled up here.

Cutting down the front most portion of the side walls... Yes, I labeled them prior to cutting.

Ok - these are the first 20 that go up Friday.

The remaining 10 tapered panels finish out the sidewalls - hopefully complete that Saturday.

Example RO for 2x4 window. Small strip of OSB will be nailed along the right vertical edge.

It fits!

Here is my total SIP panel 'waste'. Any creative ideas out there for SIP remnants???

Josh

 

[NWOhioChevyGuy]

A very nice dog house

 

[NUTTSGT]

A very nice dog house

LOL, I was going to say the same thing.


How about a little kick out shed on the backside for the compressor ?

 

[jopickens]

There's a thought... Ill not let them go to waste - 4 sure.

 

[1949 caddyman]

Nice build! Could you use cement board to cover the exposed foam on the wall?http://www.homedepot.com/p/DUROCK-Next-Gen-5-ft-x-3-ft-x-1-4-in-Cement-Board-170219/202817897

 

[jopickens]

Thanks - cement board yes - something impervious to moisture & pseudo 'bang' proof. The scaffolding wheels occasionally bumping into the foam is taking its toll already.

 

[jopickens]

We put up 18 2nd floor SIP wall panels today! 12 more to go tomorrow...

Josh

 

[NUTTSGT]

Too bad you didn't get a slightly earlier start on the bldg so it would have been closed up before the snow started.

 

[Red05GT]

Great build! We built our home using the R-Control brand of panels 16 yrs. ago. We used
the 6"panels. The left over cut outs I used to build a potting shed for my wife. Curious
what the 8" panels ran per square foot. The great thing about the SIPS is how strait the
wall ends up for drywall and siding.

 

[SWSS]

subb'd to this very nice build.

 

[jopickens]

Finished up the remaining 12 SIP panels yesterday.
Spent today glue/foam/nailing in the 2x8 spline around the top of the 2nd story SIP wall... as well as capping it with a 2x10 ripped down to 8-1/4" wide. Of course this gets glued on as well. ;-)

Glue/foam/nail, glue/foam/nail, glue/foam/nail... all day long. Glue/foam/nail while I sing a song...

Josh

 

[1949 caddyman]

Are there any 2x's in the panels or is just the foam & wood skin?

 

[ADSR]

sub'd

Nice build!

 

[KerryH]

Fantastic build, I'm very interested in the decisions you've made and love the detail in sharing each step with us!

Think a young bachelor could live in something like this as a main residence?

 

[jopickens]

Are there any 2x's in the panels or is just the foam & wood skin?

Foam w/ 7/16" osb skin.

sub'd

Nice build!

Thank you sir.

Fantastic build, I'm very interested in the decisions you've made and love the detail in sharing each step with us!

Think a young bachelor could live in something like this as a main residence?

Absolutely... I would have loved to hang my hat above a 1700 sq. ft. garage every night.

Josh

 

[jopickens]

Too bad you didn't get a slightly earlier start on the bldg so it would have been closed up before the snow started.

No doubt... I thought that I had... then it rained... and rained... and rained. Of course, as usual, I underestimated how long it would take me to build this with help from family & friends. heh

Great build! We built our home using the R-Control brand of panels 16 yrs. ago. We used
the 6"panels. The left over cut outs I used to build a potting shed for my wife. Curious
what the 8" panels ran per square foot. The great thing about the SIPS is how strait the
wall ends up for drywall and siding.

Excellent! I looked at that brand of panel while researching SIPs. Yes, they are very straight and sturdy. acmepanel.com

subb'd to this very nice build.

Thanks! It's been fun... Can't wait to get the roof on it this week. Hopefully wrap it up (tyvek) and get some doors installed by the end of the year.

Josh

 

[jopickens]

The
Roof
Is
On

Thanks to all my family and friends who showed up today to lend a hand!

Josh

 

[ADSR]

Nice! What are you putting on it? Metal?

 

[BeachBoy]

Yes there is...

Well thank you - yes, the front wall is framed out of 2x8 to match the 8.25" thick SIP walls. I'll fill it full of EPS/XPS etc. etc.
I don't know how much it holds true for the 2x6 and 2x4 SIP panels... but when these walls are set up on the 2x8 plate and then double capped they are EXTREMELY sturdy. Sturdy as in those that check them out in detail tap, knock, smack, and eventually give them a good push and usually just shake their head in disbelief.
Josh

have you considered doing with offset 2x6s on a 8" total thickness wall? That would have left a 2" continuous insulation and no thermal bridge.

The wood is R-6 and a thermal bridge if you use full width pieces.

 

[jopickens]

Yes... I have read quite a few articles about the offset walls and double walls etc.
Josh

 

[jopickens]

Pics from this am before heading to work...

Josh

 

[jopickens]

Nice! What are you putting on it? Metal?

16" oc standing seam metal roofing... Identical material I put on our house a few years ago when I added a 3rd story attic room etc. etc.
You can see it in the second pic of the 4 just above.

Josh

 

[NUTTSGT]

The upper floor and roof look good.

 

[luke7734]

Looks awesome.. I'm building a HARN now at the moment myself.. I started in July. But I did post frame and spray foamed instead of stick building with the height I wanted. Also doing post frame gave me the ability to build a house inside a warehouse.. heated at that.. looks like you've got a lid on things now.. time to get those doors on and get that heat pumping.. I'm up in Ohio. Its a brisk 29 at the moment.. my radiant system has my place toasty at 70 now with the wood boiler hooked in..

What are your plans for heating your radiant system? Wood boiler / tankless lp or ng / or something off the wall you made up? I love your design so far, I'm gonna show pictures to a buddy of mine that wants to build a place like mine just not as big.. this woukd be perfect for him.