4s box, mud ring, what cover plate?

[Shovelhead]

Can't figger out what cover plates or how the heck they attach.
I've only used steel boxes in exposed work. Never in a wall.

Installing these boxes to 2x4's. >>>https://www.homedepot.com/p/RACO-4-in-Welded-Square-Electrical-Box-Bracket-8235/100567239
Have 5/8" T1-11 wall covering.

Figure I need a 5/8 mud ring.
Like this >>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/RACO-1-Device-Mud-Ring-Cover-Raised-5-8-in-8768/100582949
and this >>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/RACO-2-Device-Cover-5-8-in-Raised-8769/100569193

What cover plate / plates for single receptacle, double, and receptacle/switch?

Thanks ...
again.

 

[alfredeneuman]

Figure I need a 5/8 mud ring.

The 8-32 screw heads on the 4-S box take 1/8", so use a 3/4" ring

 

[Copymutt]

I use this and a rt. Angle driver to fasten to the stud.

RACO 4-11/16 in. W x 2-1/8 in. D Metallic 2-Gang Welded Square Box with One 1/2 in. KO, Fifteen TKO's, Raised Ground, 1-Pack 8257 - The Home Depot

Get the Raco 1-Gang 42 cu. in. Deep Square Box 8257, seventeen 1/2 in. and 3/4 in. knockouts crafted from pre-galvanized, welded steel for durability, the box features a combination of seventeen 1/2 in.

www.homedepot.com

In your case see options here.

RACO 4 in. W Steel Gray 2-Gang Exposed Work Square Cover for 2 Duplex Outlets, 1-Pack 907C - The Home Depot

Surface covers used to support switches or receptacles in areas where the box is surface mounted or positioned in exposed work applications. Exposed work covers are 1/2 in. raised. Complies with 2020 NEC Article 250.146 (A) and cULus Listed.

www.homedepot.com

HD got to be the slowest site on the internet.

 

[Norcal]

I use this and a rt. Angle driver to fasten to the stud.

RACO 4-11/16 in. W x 2-1/8 in. D Metallic 2-Gang Welded Square Box with One 1/2 in. KO, Fifteen TKO's, Raised Ground, 1-Pack 8257 - The Home Depot

Get the Raco 1-Gang 42 cu. in. Deep Square Box 8257, seventeen 1/2 in. and 3/4 in. knockouts crafted from pre-galvanized, welded steel for durability, the box features a combination of seventeen 1/2 in.

www.homedepot.com

In your case see options here.

RACO 4 in. W Steel Gray 2-Gang Exposed Work Square Cover for 2 Duplex Outlets, 1-Pack 907C - The Home Depot

Surface covers used to support switches or receptacles in areas where the box is surface mounted or positioned in exposed work applications. Exposed work covers are 1/2 in. raised. Complies with 2020 NEC Article 250.146 (A) and cULus Listed.

www.homedepot.com

HD got to be the slowest site on the internet.

Those covers will make the job look like **** unless the boxes are surface mounted, use a 3/4" ring like A. E. Neuman suggested, otherwise you will be required to use extension rings because 5/8" rings will not be flush & T-1-11 siding is combustible.

 

[Jim greengo]

You can use the same plastic covers for switches and outlets that you use for nail on boxes,once the devices are mounted to mud ring.

 

[Shovelhead]

You can use the same plastic covers for switches and outlets that you use for nail on boxes,once the devices are mounted to mud ring.

I thought about that first, but the curve in the mud ring threw me off.
I suspect if all works out right, the mud ring itself is behind the face of the T1-11 and the plastic plate will rest on the siding and cover it all. ?

 

[Shovelhead]

Those covers will make the job look like **** unless the boxes are surface mounted, use a 3/4" ring like A. E. Neuman suggested, otherwise you will be required to use extension rings because 5/8" rings will not be flush & T-1-11 siding is combustible.

Same style of ring I listed, but 3/4. ?

 

[Shovelhead]

Steel cover options?
I seen some steel covers, raised, but only a half inch.

 

[Jim greengo]

I thought about that first, but the curve in the mud ring threw me off.
I suspect if all works out right, the mud ring itself is behind the face of the T1-11 and the plastic plate will rest on the siding and cover it all. ?

Wait a second,are you mounting this outside or inside?
I thought you were doing interior work.

 

[Shovelhead]

yessir, inside

 

[Shovelhead]

room inside of metal building,
from here
to here.

Boxes on both sides of framed wall.

 

[Shovelhead]

I'd rather use steel covers

 

[captaindiode]

With mud rings, you use the same covers you use with sheetrock. You can get stainless covers for an industrial look. I think the unbreakable nylon covers work well also. Unless your using conduit or armored cable, you could also use old work boxes mounted to the t1-11.

 

[Terry D]

Mudrings are always 1/8" under what the size they say they are. So a 3/4 one is actually 5/8 deep

 

[ycgoat]

I thought about that first, but the curve in the mud ring threw me off.
I suspect if all works out right, the mud ring itself is behind the face of the T1-11 and the plastic plate will rest on the siding and cover it all. ?

That is correct, if the "mud/plaster ring" is recessed or flush with the paneling you can use any typical cover plate. They make all kinds of decorative covers, I have even seen Diamond plate. If they are not recessed you have to use the raised cover shown by Copymutt, or a small cover made for work boxes so you do not have the corners of the cover sticking out (though I have seen that many times)

 

[sparky 1971]

Mount the boxes so the face of the box is flush with the face of the stud, then mount the 3/4 mud ring. Do Not use the covers in post #3, as stated, that will look like ****. Those are for surface mounted boxes. If you want to use metal covers, about the only thing that is going to look presentable will be stainless steel plates. They are the same principal as the plastic plates, but at least they are metal and should be available in any one or two gang configuration. If you really want to use the raised covers, put some blocking in the wall and poke the wires through it and then knock a hole in the drywall for the wires as you hang it. Surface mount a 4"X4" box, screwing through the drywall and into the blocking. Then you can make the raised cover look like it belongs, but it's a helluva lot more work.

 

[Norcal]

Mount the boxes so the face of the box is flush with the face of the stud, then mount the 3/4 mud ring. Do Not use the covers in post #3, as stated, that will look like ****. Those are for surface mounted boxes. If you want to use metal covers, about the only thing that is going to look presentable will be stainless steel plates. They are the same principal as the plastic plates, but at least they are metal and should be available in any one or two gang configuration. If you really want to use the raised covers, put some blocking in the wall and poke the wires through it and then knock a hole in the drywall for the wires as you hang it. Surface mount a 4"X4" box, screwing through the drywall and into the blocking. Then you can make the raised cover look like it belongs, but it's a helluva lot more work.

The OP is using T-1-11 wood siding & it's not cheap.

 

[sparky 1971]

My bad. I saw T-11, but had no idea what it was. I assumed that wall covering meant sheetrock. I guess if that's the case he wouldn't need to put the blocking in to have something to screw a surface mounted box to. Everything else I stated is true though.

EDIT: I googled T1-11 to see what it is, we just call that vertical wood siding, but i haven't seen it used in years. I wouldn't bother trying to surface mount boxes to that. Keep everything flush mounted, but use the proper plates.

 

[Shovelhead]

Thanks men. Got it figured out.

 

[rburke65]

All the different ones and rings can be a challenge to the novice. Good luck