50x75x18 Metal Building

[slimbozy]

I would like to start by saying thank you to this site and all the members who have given tons of advice (unknowingly), inspiration and ideas to this build.
This is my first post but I have been in the process of gathering ideas and such from here for some time now and would like to formally ask for help and to share what I am trying to accomplish.

My brother, dad and I are in the planning stages of building our dream shop to work on farm equipment and restore older tractors. We want to upgrade from the trusty sky shelter!

Our plans so far are to construct a steel building:
50' wide x 75' long x 18' high
2:12 pitch
24'x16' insulated sectional door centered on front gable end
14'x14' insulated sectional door centered in middle bay along right wall
3" insulation in roof and walls
2 man doors
2 windows
Gutters and downspouts
Wainscot
8' interior liner panels
5" concrete floor 4000psi
PEX in floor heat with rigid insulation and vapor barrier

There are a ton of details that we are trying to work out before we commit to signing a contract.

We have quotes from multiple people in our general area, North East NC.
We have them from 40x60 to 60x60 and have found that the best bang for the buck was to go with the 50x75.

These are without the 2 doors, electrical, floor heat components, wainscot, liner panels, and a 1:12 pitch
50x50 = $20.19/sqft
50x60 = $19.10/sqft
50x75 = $17.66/sqft

These are without the 2 doors, electrical, floor heat components
50x50 = $21.93/sqft
50x60 = $20.71/sqft
50x75 = $19.13/sqft

These are without electrical, floor heat components
50x50 = $26.32/sqft
50x60 = $24.35/sqft
50x75 = $22.06/sqft

These are without floor heat components but with a generic quote for electrical from the builder
50x50 = $31.88/sqft
50x60 = $30.02/sqft
50x75 = $26.79/sqft

Here is a few renderings of what we would like to see.
The side man door is on the wrong side of the 14x14 door, I couldn't get it to move it to the other side. I would like for it to be on the left side of the 14x14 when looking into the building from the outside.





I have multiple questions:

Where would the best place to setup the manifold and boiler for the heated floor be?
The main service for the building will be at the left wall near the large front door end.

How many loops/zone would work best?
Currently there is plans to stub in plumbing for a bathroom and future kitchenette/living quarters up against the back gable wall.

Here is a rendering that my brother created on the floorplanner website:
*The left wall in the current view is the "back" wall.



The small room with the 2 hot water heaters is the spot we were thinking of placing the controls for the in floor heat. If this is not the ideal location please let us know. We would like to get it as close to right the first time.

Here is a 3D view of the corner that I would consider to be the main work area with a work bench along the wall, toolboxes and a movable metal table for projects.



In the plan view of the shop there is a truck facing the "bottom" wall. We are planning to install a 2 post car lift in that area. My question is how far back should we plan on the main uprights being anchored to the floor so that before the concrete pour we can have that area dug down a bit more for extra strength and piece of mind?
I know we need enough space to have a work bench or toolbox against the wall and room to walk around the front of the vehicle but I have never had the luxury of using one so I am unsure and want to have it in the right area.

The next question is that of the electrical for the building.
We want to have an outlet for welding purposes at each of the large openings and one near the lift. Does the auto lift take 240 or 120? The boiler for the floor heat does it take 240 or 120? The air compressor will be on a pad outside by the electrical service point so that one shouldn't be a long run.

When doing the general electrical outlets on a building of this size how many should be in one circuit?

I have read in the past that at main work areas to have them spaced closer together so you have plenty of options so I know we want to do that at the lift area and at the main work area.

What other things should I be taking into consideration when planning for the electrical?

I know this is a lot and probably needs to be divided up and put into separate topics but I wanted to start here and take any suggestions as they come. Thank you in advance.

 

[hnsy]

This is awesome, thanks for sharing so much detail. What software did you use to create the 3-d visualization

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[slimbozy]

Thank you very much, I believe that was created using a website called floorplanner dot com


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[1/2 Cup]

I like your build concept, keep us posted.

Regards

 

[welder57]

Check with CECO Building Systems, Rocky Mount, NC. for your steel building. They will get with you a erector in your area that can help you out on the ABC's of steel buildings and concrete for the slab.

 

[haptiq]

I live in the same county as you and I can tell you they are strict about the wind code and reinforcement in the footings. If you plan to pull a permit make sure you get the engineered plans from the building manufacturer specifying 120mph wind rating and detail the foundation or monolithic slab including steel placement. I also have a concrete guy for you who does good work for a good price. Let me know and ill pm you his contact info.

 

[slimbozy]

Well guys!! Plans changed and we had to back the building down to a 50x60x18 and had to change some other things around to get the finished project price tag down more to something we could handle.
Here are some pictures of the progress. The rain seems to never stop so we've had delay after delay.
This is the location after getting a path and a pad area built up


Here is the site location after leveling and the footer work. You can see the large hole for the jib crane we plan on installing.


Here is the pex laid out, took my brother, sister and I most of a day to lay and zip tie everything.


During the concrete pour.


View of the concrete after relief cuts.


That's where we sit as of now. Waiting on the concrete to cure and then we can get to setting up the metal for the building.



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[protegeV]

Man, that's almost 2 years in the works.

 

[slimbozy]

Yes sir it has been even longer than that leading up to when I posted originally!! It's crazy how fast time flies and how things never seem to go smoothly. But in March we made the decision to just go on and get something or it would drag on another 2 years.


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[Jeff Scott]

Looks like it's going to be a great space. Following along.

 

[welder57]

May I ask, who did you get your building from? Hope all goes well on your build.

 

[slimbozy]

Thank you! We hope it will do good for us. We are getting the building from a guy and his business name is Layden's home improvement and he was the best deal that we could find on a price for what we're getting


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[jeepxj]

i'd put all those rooms and the bench stuff along a single wall and put a mezzanine above them.

 

[subvet]

Glade you were able to get started on it, looks like a great building

 

[jblnut]

Did you price other widths or just multiple depth/lengths ??

Do you have a favorite flavor of old tractor you'll be restoring in the new shop ?

 

[slimbozy]

Thank you, we are really glad to finally have something being built.

We did price going 60' wide as well as backing down to only 40' wide but we were trying to go as wide as possible and have as much depth as we could. We really wanted it to be 75' long but just couldn't squeeze that much more money out at this time.

We have a passion for fixing up the good old IH tractors. We've done two so far in the yard and with the help of my uncle shop and my friends shop for some of the paint work.
This is our 1256 we fixed up


This is our 5488 we did at the end of last year




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[slimbozy]

By chance does anyone know how to post pictures so that they show up when you're scrolling along looking at the titles of everyone's threads? Mine just shows the title and the first part of my original post and no picture. I think I find myself skipping over threads because there isn't anything capturing my attention and id like for mine to do the best it can and getting people's attention.


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[slimbozy]

Was able to get 3 of the 4 sides of the outside vertical insulation done


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[jblnut]

I'd imagine by the lack of updates the shop is done and you're drinking beer in it while fixing on some old red iron

Golly that 1256 looks sharp and the 5488 looks amazing all straight and shiny !!

 

[jeepxj]

I would 100% put the mechanicals in the loft above the office/bathroom area. the manifold could go in the bathroom on the wall.

edit: you got 18' walls. user them. put the mechanicals and bathroom above the breakroom area. its a way better use of space.

 

[haptiq]

Howdy neighbor, looks like you are making good progress. Let me know if you need a hand Im right down the street. Btw mines still not 100% complete 2 years later lol.