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aka rotten

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Tell me if you think this is safe.1st i,m in wheel chair and i want to get top off 55 metel drum.Dont have access too torch so thats out,bought couple abrasive blades and thought about turnin them on side and cuttin top off from side.Barrels had transmission fluid in itorginally,if i took air vents off and if you think it needs flushed with water ant thing else i need to do?Dont wanna blow myself off chair.I,ve seen folks take these barrels before and just torch them off without doing any thing to em but shows flamable sticker on side and dont wanna go to heaven any quicker then need be!Thanks,Paul
 
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hunter1151

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Anything that could make a spark, could also make it blow. How could a 55 gal. drum be worth your life.
 

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Air hammer and the right bit, cuts like putty in a couple of minutes. Might be a little trickier sitting down, but probably not bad.

This image is from the Snap On web site, but there are much cheaper ones made that work as well. I have never tried different kinds of cutters, this one allows me to get right up to the inside of the rim on the top and cut the top out and leave the rim as reinforcement. Other cutters might be a little easier to control but require you to cut away from the rim. I looked on the Vermont American site as they used to make them, but do not find any air hammer bits at all now.

Home Depot or Lowes might have one. Get the longest shank bit you can find, easier to hang on to. Use a quick release spring retainer on the air hammer to retain the bit so it don't go flying off.

You can get a cheap air hammer and a small compressor will run it fine.

Charles

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MP&C

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This one had motor oil residue in it, went sailing in the air. I can show you the burn pictures if this doesn't get the point across...

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I too have cut drums, but they were food grade or contained something non flammable.

Personally I would fill drum up to just below the cut with water, after washing with some dish soap or other strong degreaser and go to town. Drum deheaders work good as well but leave the top ring, might not be exactly what your after.

Of course do any of this at your own risk, but if you use your head you should be ok.
 

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Yes please!:evil:



OK, but here's the complete story. (It has been posted before):


For those who haven't read about my stay at the Burn Unit of Washington Hospital Center, (and the Medivac ride to get there) here is how not to cut the top off an oil drum.

My mother was in need of a new burn barrel, so I had asked a local school bus fleet owner if he had any spares. With all the oil changes he does, he buys all of it by the drum. He was fresh out of empty barrels, but had another source. The next day, when he did drop off what looked like a brand new oil drum, I mentioned I'd have to get out the hammer and chisel. (someone once told me your first answer is normally the right one) He said he uses a cutting torch on his, and left shortly afterward. Now I'm normally one of the stickler's for safety, but I guess when he mentioned cutting torch, it clouded my better judgement just because I was trying to get done in a hurry. My next thought was to go ahead and use the plasma cutter and get it done much quicker, what with all the work I have backlogged. I loaded up the barrel in my truck and drove down to a friends house to use my plasma cutter. (he had borrowed it to make a rock crawler out of a Suzuki Samauri) We got everything situated, I positioned the torch, and as soon as the arc penetrated the barrel, it was done. I have never seen motor oil act in this manner, and I guarantee it's a lesson I will never forget. I had the two bungs removed, and the larger of the two was right in front of me. The arc from the torch caused the barrel residue to expand the ends of the barrel outward, which in addition to sending it skyward, also aimed the larger of the two bungs directly at me. The flash exiting the bung holes (can I say that?) burned through a t shirt, an undershirt, and various other body parts that happened to be there in the way as it propelled upwards. When the barrel landed, the fire in the barrel was out, but it was still emitting black smoke. My buddy was standing there in disbelief, looked at me and said, "That's gonna look goofy for awhile". This prompted me to look in the side view mirror of my truck to assess the damage. Meanwhile, he got me a clean shirt to put on to keep the burned area clean. Unsure of the extent of the burns (ie: still dazed and confused) I drove home (about 3 miles), and asked my wife to look at it (she and I both have had EMT training). After some stuttering and stammering on her part, I told her to call the ambulance. Here is the drum in it's expanded capacity form, and also the extent of how much cutting got done:


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Regardless of a barrel's contents, especially one you receive second hand, don't trust anyone's word on it's residue (or supposed lack thereof), treat it as a worst case scenario and wash it out, purge the vapors, etc, and then fill with water before cutting. Best idea yet is to find a barrel with the ring-clamped removable top. Lest you wind up looking like this (or worse)


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I know you guys are used to the progress updates on the cars I'm working on, and as much as I'd hate to see this happen to anyone, (and since I'm still here to talk about it), I may as well share this story if it will prevent others from making the same mistake. The least I could do after all I've been through was to make this post in hopes of saving someone else the same or a worse fate. One of my saving graces (including the Good Lord not being ready for me yet) was that I was wearing safety glasses and leather gloves, so no finger burns and only singed eyebrows. I spent four days in the burn unit and another three weeks to heal up enough to return to work in the shop. Please be careful out there and don't let a time constraint interfere with your better judgement.
 

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Holy $h!t

Glad you are here to tell the story. somehow I missed this on GJ. if it was not already you should post in the Garage section as it is a good reminder for everyone.

A high school here in Ontario had one blow up and the kid was killed.

Good reminders never go out of style.

On another note, what the hell is up with your underwear!! See the reflection in you last picture. dude that aint right
 

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See, now you guys just have no sense of humor. :evil:

The story behind the mirror, Never noticed it in the background when I was taking the picture. Actually the original showed the opposite side of the room, and one of the graphics artists on another forum saw fit to modify the picture at my expense, saying I should be more cautious about taking pictures with mirrors in the background. Everyone got a laugh out of it, especially my wife. But with her warped sense of humor, she takes it one further. She sends a "patient update" email to all the family, co-workers and friends, just to see who will be the first to reply with a "did you know....."

Boy, can't get anything past this GJ bunch :lol:
 
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aka rotten

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Well i was going to remove the 2 bongs one on top other on side,and fill with water but after seeing that i,ll use abrasive blades i got on somethin else.I too need a burn barrel but not that bad,darn things hard to come by now with the rings.So now i have 2 pretty drums sittin there.As far as the underware goes you know i didnt even notice till after i looked again after reading your comments.My stomach will be alright sometime this afternoon,but thanks for showing.[DRUMS]Paul
 

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It would be easier and safer to just get an open top drum in the first place, they go for about $35 used around here, may even be able to trade the closed top ones.
 

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Agreed, new drums are cheap. you can get a drum deheader from northern for $45. I've used a torch a few times to open up old oil drums, to burn out so that we can get rid of them. After a few scary close calls, i'll always spend the time with a deheader even though the torch may be faster. Its not worth getting hurt over.
 

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I used to use an air hammer to cut open barrels that used to have thinner in them. They were free from the neighboring body shops and I would cut them open. And stack them on their sides and tack weld together to make large pigeon hole storage bins for used auto parts at the shop I used to have

Bob
 

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Rinse the drum out first with water and laundry detergent. Then fill the drum all the way to the top with clean water. Use a abrasive cutter on a air cutoff tool. The water will displace any remaining vapors in the 55 gallon drum and will not allow it to ignite. If you use an electric cutter keep the water level a few inches below the cut and make sure you ventilate the last 2 inches of the drum with air for several minutes before you cut. Remember, do not cut below the waterline if you use the electric version of the cutter. I have done this many times without any trouble.
 

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I use a recipricating saw (Sawzall, by Mklwaukee). Hard to make a spark and works great. Kind of noisy, but ear plugs are always in my head anyways.

Were are you located? Maybe a member in your area could give you a hand with this project.

Later

Kirk
 
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If you are not in a hurry, a cold chisel about an inch wide will take the top out by leaning the chisel for each strike, so it makes a shearing action. You should be able to do this from a wheelchair height. Filling the barrel with water will dampen the noise. You can also use a piece of plywood as a shim on the barrelhead to allow the cut to be made with a jigsaw.
 

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Well i was going to remove the 2 bongs and fill with water

:pimpflash

When I needed a burn barrel I gave a guy that did spray-in foam insulation 5 bucks for a steel drum. He said he cuts the tops off of 'em with a torch and has been just fine. I have a torch but I thought, 'yeah, but I can do that and end up NOT fine, whatever your luck has been'. I used a sawzall.

BTW don't pour spray-in foam residue in your old motor oil container. It makes oil jello. I don't think that made Advance Auto too happy.
 

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I have read about removing the lids (in Farmshow magazine) with a pipewrench and hammer. Open the jaws so they fit over the edge of the drum and hit with a hammer. It'll shear open the lid, just work your way around the lid.
 

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Hey NUTTSGT: Is Farmshow magazine great or what? Get mine at the local Tractor
Supply -- some of the stuff is simply amazing!
 

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Just a thought, but you can't just dump oil contaminated water down the gutter. Where are you going to dispose of it?
 

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i'd go the air hammer route, that is silly fast even with a cheap air hammer and bit, most air hammers include that tin cutter bit anyway. And if you do cut it with a fire maker make sure you are wearing the red thong, in our out of the chair.
 

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That thong is awesome. . .ballsy to post that on a 95% dudes forum. . .no pun intended.

Just remember, a cold chisel or air hammer can cause enough spark for ignition. Always better safe than sorry.
 

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Go find an open top drum most all of these processes leave sharp irregular edges. In Alaska you can buy used open top drums for $15 probably half that in the rest of the world.
 

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I used to use old transformer oil drums as burning barrels (about the same as diesel fuel). I would fill the barrel to overflowing with water and cut the top off with a hammer and cold chisel. It takes less time and work than you would expect to do it this way and saves all that high dollar acetylene and cut off discs for better purposes. There are about as many ways to do it right as there are ways to do it wrong.
 

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I've used a hatchet and a brass hammer to cut the top off the drums. The hatchet has a nice wide blade and nice handle to keep you from hitting your hand. The brass hammer doesn't spark when hitting the hatchet.
 
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I used to use old transformer oil drums as burning barrels (about the same as diesel fuel). I would fill the barrel to overflowing with water and cut the top off with a hammer and cold chisel. It takes less time and work than you would expect to do it this way and saves all that high dollar acetylene and cut off discs for better purposes. There are about as many ways to do it right as there are ways to do it wrong.

:lol:
 

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good job showing the photo and sharing your misfortune. if you can prevent one death or injury it is all worth your efforts. by helping others you are a big good person in my book.
 
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