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entryleveltech

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Was wondering if any of you guys (Technicians) do enough fluid flushes & changes ect to use a 55 gallon drum i'm looking to invest in one of these to store my waste oil from my side jobs so i can store it and eventually get a waste oil heater in my garage. Any thoughts or opinions.
 
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where about are ya? if you`re any where near long island i`ll give ya all you want!
 

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If you do a fair amount of work, 55's will fill faster then you think. We recently switched to 275 gallon totes at the home shop. I know a guy who knows a guy and got one for $50. It takes up less room then the drums, plus it is forkable to move it. Waste oil burners use a lot of oil, so unless you get a lot, it is not worth. My dealership's other branch burns oil. About a 120' by 50' give or take, uses 10 275 gallon totes to heat to 60 degress, turned off on the weekend and they ran out in March. This is a two year old higher end unit. Ones I have looked at for home tend to burn two gallons an hour.
 
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Is there a specific brand of 55 gallon drum i should look for? or going back to my second post should i buy a metal drum or a hard plastic drum?
 

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I have a plastic 30 gallon barrel right now. It sit nicely between the garage door. I know a few people that burn it so I have no problem getting rid of it.
 

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When I worked at a mazda dealership in ohio we barley did any business and still had enough oil to feed 2 big oil burners
 

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I have a waste oil heater and absolutely love it. I have no problem sourcing good waste oil, in fact i'm sitting on 20+ barrels. If your oil supply ran out you can always burn kero or heating oil.
 

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Look on CL or ask at local shops, someone will have a metal 55g drum for under 20. Add a funnel and fill away. If you recycle your oil you might have issues trying to turn in that quantity. Around here there's lots of people who will take used oil and even some that will buy it for a few ¢ a gallon.
 

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You'll spend 10 yrs accumulating 10 55 gal drums, spend thousands on a waste oil heater and run out of oil in the first year.

That'd be one hell of a garage if you're burning 550 gallons in a winter. :lol:

From January until Marchish, I think we burned maybe 200 gallons. That's with a newer Energylogic, and a ~6300sf. building with 16' ceilings, piss-poor sealing and no insulation, turned on about 60hr a week, maybe more. Admittedly it was a mild (part of a) winter, but we didn't burn that much.

We've got one 250gal heating oil tank rigged to the heater, hoping to add a second this year to filter out solids before sending it to that tank, plus we're starting on the second 275gal tote. I wouldn't want to mess with drums, they're a PITA to handle when full, and would only let us empty the oil drain about 3 times before it's full. As it is, we filled the tote in just a few months.

Now, WO heater for a home garage... doesn't sound economical. The Energylogic ran ~$8k used, installed, and it stopped burning (again, not something simple like normal burner maint.) after those first 3 months. That's supposed to be one of the more reliable ones, too. I'd mess with a wood stove before I'd blow the coin on a waste oil heater. OTOH, if you get >100gal, our local waste oil company was offering $1.50/gallon a while back.
 

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Check CL for the 275 Gallon "Totes" is what they call them. Otherwise either a metal or poly 55 gallon drum will work, just make sure it has a lid with the bungs. You can swing by a large machine shop as they usually get coolant or cutting oil in 55 gallon drums and always have extras laying around. If you have room for the tote though, I would go with that. Then just mention to your friends and such that they can come by and bring their used oil to you. ;)

Just from changing the oil in our few vehicles (and friends sometimes do their here too) I take 3 x 5 gallon containers to the jiffy lube to dump several times a year it seems.

If you have pure used motor oil, there are companies that will PAY YOU for it, but usually you have to have 100 gallons or more.

Of course here in Houston we don't have waste oil heaters. You only run your heater for *maybe* a month out of the year it seems... lol... Natural gas is cheap too... :)
 
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We got a monster WO heater at the ford dealership i work at haha. I'm talking about home use i do alot of side work to make extra money. I'm just looking for the best possible way to store my waste oil. I know i WO heater is out of the questions for me at the moment. I just didn't know if there where pros & cons on having a Metal WO drum or a Plastic WO drum.

thanks for all the feedback guys.
 
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I feel so stupid hahah. I just went on craigslist and found over 20+ postings for 55 gallon clear drums. Looks like i'm buying two drum one for coolant and one for used oil.
 

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If you really want a WO heater at home, maybe talk to a fleet repair place. One I know of runs their heater year round to burn off their oil. No, I don't know why they don't sell it off, but whatever.

Find one of them, throw a tote on a little trailer, and you'd probably be set for most of a winter.
 

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I can fill a 55 gallon drum on an excavator and Mack service, drums by me are usually free for the asking if you know the right people.
 

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We got a monster WO heater at the ford dealership i work at haha. I'm talking about home use i do alot of side work to make extra money. I'm just looking for the best possible way to store my waste oil. I know i WO heater is out of the questions for me at the moment. I just didn't know if there where pros & cons on having a Metal WO drum or a Plastic WO drum.

thanks for all the feedback guys.

Only problem I've ever run into with a metal drum was that I had one spring a leak. I think the waste oil tends to have acids in it from normal use and that eats up the drum, that or water in the oil causes corrosion that then causes a leak. Not saying all drums leak, but I did have one I was dumping used motor oil and aircraft turbine oil in, and it did spring a leak.

I've always been leery of plastic. Never seen one crack but suspect that the oil could affect the plastic and cause it to eventually crack.

I think the ideal drum might be a stainless one, they can be found sometimes.

As far as fuel for a heater, I have lots of co-workers who change their own oil and neighbors too. Biggest issue is water. I now insist the used oil be stored inside in sealed containers or I won't take it. I found water in quite a bit of what people were giving me until I got real picky with them.

My dealership's other branch burns oil. About a 120' by 50' give or take, uses 10 275 gallon totes to heat to 60 degress, turned off on the weekend and they ran out in March. This is a two year old higher end unit. Ones I have looked at for home tend to burn two gallons an hour.

As far as two gallons a hour, that is way high. My 200,000 btu unit burns 1.44 gallons per hour according to Lanair. What little I did get to operate it last winter (real mild) that was pretty close to correct, and that is continuous running. Get the place warm and cycling on a thermostat and consumption goes down from there. Most home shops will need a heater smaller than I have, probably the smallest one you can get.

These heaters are expensive, and do require maintenance, and there are some downsides to them (needing compressed air is one) but I still see a lot of low cost heat in my future.

My used oil heater thread

Charles
 

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Usually the poly drums (blue ones, not the food grade ones) hold caustic liquids. I've used a few of them over the years and they are pretty tough. You can take a baseball bat to a poly drum and not do a thing, do that with a metal one and you end up with a huge dent.
 

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I heated a 4000sf truck repair shop, well insulated, in Ohio for years with waste oil using a Reznor 140KBTU at first and switching to a 235 after a few years. I averaged between 2000-2500 gallons most winters to heat it to 62*/days and 50*/nights. IIRC the 140 burned 1.0 gals/hr and the 235 was 1.6 or something like that. It was a dirty ***** to keep that thing fed, very messy pumping tanks, drums, etc, I sure don't miss it a bit. After selling the repair shop, I moved my hobby shop mostly because there was no NG nearby to a location that has NG.

The typical home shop does not make anywhere near enough waste oil to feed a furnace. They don't like to be turned on and off, either, and the tank doesn't like to get cold. You have to keep the tank semi-warm all winter. If you're dripping oil onto a wood fire or something, that might work, but it would never meet code.
 

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Okay, guys- if any of you are doing small jobs at the house and that's where this oil is coming from, you seriously need a correction in terminology. Any oils that have been used but are not beyond recovery for some purpose are to be labeled, "Used Oil." Any oils that have been contaminated beyond recovery (typically with chlorinated brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc) are considered, "Waste Oil." If you have Used oil labeled as Waste oil and the EPA shows up because some random Joe got pissed off that you're taking business and he wants you to get in trouble, they're going to require shipping and disposal manifests for your previous Waste oils you've had to dispose. Save yourself some monstrous headache and possibly federal soil sampling that WILL be charged to you… and start working on calling it "Used Oil."

I deal with the "plastic" (poly) and steel drums daily and I'd recommend steel for this job. A 275g tote would be better if you can go through that much oil, but between three vehicles and a regularly rotating project vehicle I still only have about eight gallons of oil in my garage after about 2.5 years of owning my house. I MIGHT have brought five or six to work for our oil guys, but that's still nowhere near what would be needed, so it's hard for me to push for a tote. A proper tote will be poly with a metal frame. I'd avoid anything with a solid metal shell around it because if it cracks somewhere you won't realize it until you've already made a huge mess.

Most UN-rated, industrial, steel drums will have a coating on the inside that will help to prevent water from rusting through the steel. That said, any oil from an automotive application is going to have about 6-7% water in it. That won't affect your burner or other processes, but keep it in mind and don't be deceived that you're "only putting oil" into the drum.

I don't know what it is about the poly drums and oil, but it seemed every time we picked up a poly drum that had oil, it was leaking somewhere. If you go poly, absolutely do not leave it where the sun can be on it. Within two years it will show signs of drying out and can just about explode (exaggeration, but the story still ends in oil on EVERYTHING) if you grab it just right to move it.

Either way, I would very strongly recommend you break down and PAY for a proper UN-rated, industrial, steel drum. Any industrial waste transportation company near you can sell them brand new so you can know it hasn't had any damage or water sitting in it before you got your hands on it. Heritage - Crystal Clean and Safety Kleen are the two biggest national companies I can think of that are still set up small enough to sell to individuals. I'll be fair in stating that I work for Crystal Clean, to be transparent in this discussion.
 

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I heated a 4000sf truck repair shop, well insulated, in Ohio for years with waste oil using a Reznor 140KBTU at first and switching to a 235 after a few years. I averaged between 2000-2500 gallons most winters to heat it to 62*/days and 50*/nights. IIRC the 140 burned 1.0 gals/hr and the 235 was 1.6 or something like that. It was a dirty ***** to keep that thing fed, very messy pumping tanks, drums, etc, I sure don't miss it a bit. After selling the repair shop, I moved my hobby shop mostly because there was no NG nearby to a location that has NG.

The typical home shop does not make anywhere near enough waste oil to feed a furnace. They don't like to be turned on and off, either, and the tank doesn't like to get cold. You have to keep the tank semi-warm all winter. If you're dripping oil onto a wood fire or something, that might work, but it would never meet code.

I hear this experience more than warm fuzzy ones.
 

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I built a drain tank for a bud. We modified the stove a bit and he dumps some oil in that little holding tank. gravity drains it on fire. I dont care for the oil mess either, the only way I burn it is have 5 gallon bucket, have used coffee cups and toss a couple cups a day in stove. If I remember to do it I can about keep up. I have 15 cars and trucks, still takes a long time to fill a barrel.
 

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I have a tank I am going to get rid of now, took a long time to fill it and going to a 55 gallon instead. I rigged it once to get rid of a bunch, did it when I was doing couple big paint jobs. I might revive this scheme for one more go around to clear out that 275, if someone wants itthey could take it too. Its in the way and a pain in the azz.
 

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I hear this experience more than warm fuzzy ones.

I'm assuming a Reznor is a pretty old unit, and I've heard the old ones really ****. Our next door neighbor has an ancient WO unit in his space, and hasn't used it in years. He said you've got to clean ash and **** out of it daily... forget that noise.

Of course, newer ones are big $$$ unless you find a steal. IIRC the one we paid $8k for installed runs more like $9k plus install new. That's a huge one, but a lot of the price is in the burner and oil feed stuff, so they're all expensive, bigger ones are just a little more expensive.
 

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Only problem I've ever run into with a metal drum was that I had one spring a leak. I think the waste oil tends to have acids in it from normal use and that eats up the drum, that or water in the oil causes corrosion that then causes a leak. Not saying all drums leak, but I did have one I was dumping used motor oil and aircraft turbine oil in, and it did spring a leak.

I've always been leery of plastic. Never seen one crack but suspect that the oil could affect the plastic and cause it to eventually crack.

Charles

The blue plastic drums are HDPE #2 plastic, same as the plastic jug your new comes in. I can easily get them if I fill them twice and never get them back.

The steel barrels, I think will rust on the bottom while sitting on a concrete floor when it sweats. If I used a steel drum, I'd have it sitting a some wood blocks so the bottom can get ventilation and not rust from underneath.
 

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Okay, guys- if any of you are doing small jobs at the house and that's where this oil is coming from, you seriously need a correction in terminology. Any oils that have been used but are not beyond recovery for some purpose are to be labeled, "Used Oil." Any oils that have been contaminated beyond recovery (typically with chlorinated brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc) are considered, "Waste Oil." If you have Used oil labeled as Waste oil and the EPA shows up because some random Joe got pissed off that you're taking business and he wants you to get in trouble, they're going to require shipping and disposal manifests for your previous Waste oils you've had to dispose. Save yourself some monstrous headache and possibly federal soil sampling that WILL be charged to you… and start working on calling it "Used Oil."

I deal with the "plastic" (poly) and steel drums daily and I'd recommend steel for this job. A 275g tote would be better if you can go through that much oil, but between three vehicles and a regularly rotating project vehicle I still only have about eight gallons of oil in my garage after about 2.5 years of owning my house. I MIGHT have brought five or six to work for our oil guys, but that's still nowhere near what would be needed, so it's hard for me to push for a tote. A proper tote will be poly with a metal frame. I'd avoid anything with a solid metal shell around it because if it cracks somewhere you won't realize it until you've already made a huge mess.

Most UN-rated, industrial, steel drums will have a coating on the inside that will help to prevent water from rusting through the steel. That said, any oil from an automotive application is going to have about 6-7% water in it. That won't affect your burner or other processes, but keep it in mind and don't be deceived that you're "only putting oil" into the drum.

I don't know what it is about the poly drums and oil, but it seemed every time we picked up a poly drum that had oil, it was leaking somewhere. If you go poly, absolutely do not leave it where the sun can be on it. Within two years it will show signs of drying out and can just about explode (exaggeration, but the story still ends in oil on EVERYTHING) if you grab it just right to move it.

Either way, I would very strongly recommend you break down and PAY for a proper UN-rated, industrial, steel drum. Any industrial waste transportation company near you can sell them brand new so you can know it hasn't had any damage or water sitting in it before you got your hands on it. Heritage - Crystal Clean and Safety Kleen are the two biggest national companies I can think of that are still set up small enough to sell to individuals. I'll be fair in stating that I work for Crystal Clean, to be transparent in this discussion.


Would you have any ideas on how to dispose of used 55 gal oil drums? Our shop buys 55 gal steel drums from Rigid that contain thread cutting oil. We drain them until there is just a bit of residual oil in the bottom then they go under a cover outside. I have a surplus, 10-12 barrels, laying around not doing anything.

I didn't think scrap due to the "hazardous waste" inside but somebody out there has to want these things. Any ideas?
 

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Ya know guys, I've got quite a few friends/farmers that have built their own oil burners, using oil from their equipment.

I can't see how it would be that difficult. I've another friend that converted a boiler to burn waste oil, he does get a "grey ash" build-up, but says he really doesn't need to clean it all that often.
He heats his 60X120' shop, and his house with this same boiler (burning oil heats the water that is pumped to in floor heat-both in house, and shop).

He gets most of his oil from one trucking outfit that has a 600 gallon storage tank that needs to be emptied about three times a month. He almost can't keep up.

I've got an over full blue 30 gallon plastic barrel now....and may either get another barrel, till I can build some kind of small burner (TOO MANY PROJECTS TO START ANOTHER!!), or get my buddy to come get this.

I think I just may not have enough oil to interest him....although he does have to drive by my place to get to most places.
 

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Would you have any ideas on how to dispose of used 55 gal oil drums? Our shop buys 55 gal steel drums from Rigid that contain thread cutting oil. We drain them until there is just a bit of residual oil in the bottom then they go under a cover outside. I have a surplus, 10-12 barrels, laying around not doing anything.

I didn't think scrap due to the "hazardous waste" inside but somebody out there has to want these things. Any ideas?

I'm sure they would take them for scrap metal. They take metal shavings from a machine shop and those things are soaked in cutting oil.

Otherwise... CRAIGSLIST... You can put anything on there and people will want it!
 

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We fill them on the regular and give them to the neighbor to burn the waste oil and he gives us empty. I wouldn't INVEST, find someone that burns the oil and they will usually give you 1 or 2 most people can't give them away
 

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Would you have any ideas on how to dispose of used 55 gal oil drums? Our shop buys 55 gal steel drums from Rigid that contain thread cutting oil. We drain them until there is just a bit of residual oil in the bottom then they go under a cover outside. I have a surplus, 10-12 barrels, laying around not doing anything.

I didn't think scrap due to the "hazardous waste" inside but somebody out there has to want these things. Any ideas?

we cut them in half then in half again and scrap them.
 

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I use a steel 55 gallon drum for used oil storage.... For a funnel; I use a plastic five gallon oil pail with the ""pullout" spout.. Cut the bottom four inches from the pail, and set the remaining pail top upside down on top of the barrel, with the pullout spout in the ******** of the barrel.. works good for draining oil filters, and is big enough and stable to drain most oil pans into.. I know of four different places that will gladly take my used oil... The winner is the place that will swap barrels with me.. works good for me..
 
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