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Johanfpa

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I hope that someday he can figure out how to get thru life but for right now, it's like herding cats. Just no common sense.
He is not unlike a lot of other youngsters now but in my experience most grow out of it.
When they do they will understand better what you did for them and appreciate it.
 

kent_323is

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From what you've earlier talked about with your son, I think you made the right move in helping him get it out properly without making more of a mess.
Is there something he can do for you as "payment"? IE, sweep the floor in the shop, or shovel some snow around the place, or something else that he can handle and you don't want to do? Organizing?
 
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86turbodsl

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Unlikely. He'll just owe me and feel bad about it.

He needs way too much hand holding to be very productive without my constant supervision.
 
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What you need to do is give him tasks that don't matter at all if they get derailed by him, then leave him alone until he asks for help. If you think he always needs help, then he always will, if you give him a bit of confidence and let him figure out he failed on his own it could be better for both of you. We all have different skills and capacities to learn skills, sometimes it takes some failure without micromanaging to learn what not to do. My Dad always wanted to micromanage things, when he left me alone I learned how to do things, I am still playing this game at almost 50...
 
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86turbodsl

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Sure I get that, but I can't give him things to do in my shop because I don't want my shop screwed up. There's no property maintenance in the winter and he doesn't live with us anymore so there's no home maintenance either. Functionally I have nothing to give him to do
 

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Hopefully you're drying out......:geek:
Any further update on your parts for the car? I think the last you mentioned, they're shipped....right?

Any investigation into the fuel issues on the mower/snow thrower?
 
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86turbodsl

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I've been sort of part time looking for a different car to buy. Not much out there i like right now, and even fewer that don't have problems or are too high priced. I am sure the average guy just goes down to the used car dealers and asks what have you got for ** dollars. Being i know so much about cars, i have a really hard time doing that. And my service tool set is more targeted at Ford and VAG products so that narrows the field quite a bit. If i had a lot of spare time, i'd just drag one of the TDIs over to the shop and do that work, but nothing is easy at the moment. No low hanging fruit so to speak.
 

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curious minds..... I was thinking with the Audi almost "done" (oh wait, a project is never done, right?) that you would be good to go? Candidly, about a year and a half ago would have been the time to be car searching if there was a time.... Just curious what is revamping the idea to go car shopping? What would you get that would be "better" or "different" than either the audi or the truck? What feature set is most intriguing and at what price point?

There's a lot of options..... Personally, the Toyota platform has been pretty good for the wife and I. '06 highlander hybrid for her and a 02 4Runner for me. The one b-in-law has a late model Tacoma and his wife has a '10 4Runner. The other b-in-l has a Volvo XC90 that I am not impressed with. My one nephew has a Audi Q5 (I think)(the SUV) that he seems to like..... The other half of the Fam has been going after Subaru Foresters.

Finding something that is not salt drenched would go a long ways.... Even vehicles from VA or MD may be options, instead of deep south. Kentucky maybe an easier reach for you...

We're just here in the bleachers, but curious to see what you search after.... ;-)
 
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86turbodsl

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The A4 seems to be endlessly broken. I thought i had it licked, but here we are again, on the lift. It does have 317,000 miles. The thought to get a newer car was because i could get into something that didn't immediately need more work. Frankly, i'm running out of options and we're having difficulty getting through the winter with 2 cars for 3 drivers. If my daughter hadn't been sidelined by her employer for a bit while the auto business retools, i wouldn't be able to meet my obligations at work. At the same time, anything worth purchasing that needs no work would take a huge chunk out of the bank account that i am unwilling to make, so a note would be the path, and that's a 3-4 year commitment at 7.5%. I don't want to make that sort of commitment on something i don't like, so i've been looking for something that i am willing to invest in. As i mentioned, i am tooled up and familiar with Ford and Audi products. Anything else is a learning curve. Ford hasn't made a car other than the mustang in years and even then i don't like much of their recent products other than Mustang. not a great choice for my winter commute and driveway, so I've been looking more at Audi's since i have so many tools and knowhow on them. I've wanted an S4 for a long time, but i'm thinking the upkeep on the B6/7 S4's being legendary is not a good path. So i've been looking at S5's. I'd like go get a V8 again. I miss them. Anything i buy is going to be a manual, period. I've been stranded so much in my life by failed autos i'm not willing to go down that road on anything i'm purchasing outright. Hell, there's 3 dead VW's in my yard right now that all run and won't move from bad autos. And that goes for the Fords too. Literally every automatic i've ever owned. TH700R4, C4,C6, E4od, 4R70W, ZF5HP19, every. single. one.
I know the **** build some decent stuff, but they're just so damn uninspiring and vanilla. Like driving a toaster to work. I take driving seriously, unlike a lot of the kids these days. I need to have passion for it. the thought of buying a toyota or a honda just bores me to tears.

As far as the truck, it's a 2wd dually. And it's getting to be a bit of a collector item. The thing has gone up in value 3X since i bought it unbelievably. I got offered to buy it several times in the last couple years. So i'm not terribly interested in trying to drive it in the slop frankly.

As far as southern vehicles, i can get into Tennessee in 6 hrs. Or if really desperate i can ask my brother in DFW to look at something but they tend to like big trucks down there and i don't need another one right now.

So what generated the interest in a new car was, to summarize - find something i like to drive and don't need to work on for ~15K or less so i can get the gun off my head while i work on other stuff.
 

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Outsider perspective here- I've been following along on your adventure for a while now. I think it is wise to look at a reliable daily driver. I have driven the "$500 beaters" all my life. (no such thing anymore!) There is a lot to be said for them, cheap to buy, cheap to reg/insure, and when they get too far gone, relatively easy to call it quits on and replace. But they have other costs that aren't $$. Your time. Your stress level. They **** the fun out of working in the shop, when you NEED to work on them to get to work in the morning.

A few years ago, I had had enough of it. I had a ford ranger, a dodge diesel pickup, and a dodge neon. All paid for, none of them owed me a thing. Except the fact that I had three broken vehicles, and had to borrow a car from my dad to go to work. I was so defeated by the constant work on the "daily drivers" that I didn't even want to work on them or anything else in my garage. I decided to fix them one more time, and move on. I ended up making money on everything but the Neon.

I also didn't want anything automatic, and if I was spending "real money" on a car, I wanted something sporty and fun. I shopped around and found a CPO Nissan Sentra SR turbo. It's not Audi V8 fast, or really fast at all. but it is sporty and fun to drive. (And it gets damn close to 40 mpg average). It has a 7 year powertrain warranty, and I haven't had to do anything but oil changes and a set of brakes and tires in 55,000 miles.

I still have too many vehicles, and some of them still need work, but not really needing to worry about how I am getting to work in the morning really makes it so when one breaks, it's not a crisis. I can just pull it in the garage, fix it when I get to it, and go on with life. Plus I have more fun in my garage again!
 
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86turbodsl

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Outsider perspective here- I've been following along on your adventure for a while now. I think it is wise to look at a reliable daily driver. I have driven the "$500 beaters" all my life. (no such thing anymore!) There is a lot to be said for them, cheap to buy, cheap to reg/insure, and when they get too far gone, relatively easy to call it quits on and replace. But they have other costs that aren't $$. Your time. Your stress level. They **** the fun out of working in the shop, when you NEED to work on them to get to work in the morning.

A few years ago, I had had enough of it. I had a ford ranger, a dodge diesel pickup, and a dodge neon. All paid for, none of them owed me a thing. Except the fact that I had three broken vehicles, and had to borrow a car from my dad to go to work. I was so defeated by the constant work on the "daily drivers" that I didn't even want to work on them or anything else in my garage. I decided to fix them one more time, and move on. I ended up making money on everything but the Neon.

I also didn't want anything automatic, and if I was spending "real money" on a car, I wanted something sporty and fun. I shopped around and found a CPO Nissan Sentra SR turbo. It's not Audi V8 fast, or really fast at all. but it is sporty and fun to drive. (And it gets damn close to 40 mpg average). It has a 7 year powertrain warranty, and I haven't had to do anything but oil changes and a set of brakes and tires in 55,000 miles.

I still have too many vehicles, and some of them still need work, but not really needing to worry about how I am getting to work in the morning really makes it so when one breaks, it's not a crisis. I can just pull it in the garage, fix it when I get to it, and go on with life. Plus I have more fun in my garage again!
The V8 thing was really about the sound. I really like the sound of crossplane v8s. I miss it. Short of getting an old obs Ford truck with a 5.0/5.8 which will get shittier mileage than the audi and be NOWHERE near as nice, and it will **** in the winter. AWD is really addictive where the weather is like this.
 
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While I can see why you want something "fun" to drive, it seems you need to balance that with the need of cost, fuel economy, AWD, reliability and utility.

You also need to think about the value of your time. You've mentioned in the past about wanting to have a business. IF you're going to get serious about that, you would be well advised to figure out steps to actively move towards that goal. Constantly fixing your own **** does not a business make. Nor is it a great marketing tool. Sorry for being blunt. What would be your business value proposition? What value does it provide that people with pay you for?

So yeah, a "boring", reliable, fuel economic vehicle that is less than fun to drive may be what you need. If you're bored, put in an audiobook to expand your knowledge base on starting a business.

Not trying to be difficult , but simply a suggestion to consider your broader goals and objectives.

Personally, with the cost of money, a vehicle is not a great investment, but it is a tool that frees up your time and gets you from point A to B so you can generate revenue. I get it, people have car loans everywhere, but use it carefully and at the right interest rates.

Compare that to a business loan for a tool that will actually allow you to generate revenue. Completely different and the return on investment makes sense. Most companies are funded on debt for a reason. Some better than others.

All that to say, at what total cost does having a "fun to drive" vehicle versus your broader goals?

Food for thought here. Back to the regular programming.... 😂
 

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I've been sort of part time looking for a different car to buy. Not much out there i like right now, and even fewer that don't have problems or are too high priced. I am sure the average guy just goes down to the used car dealers and asks what have you got for ** dollars. Being i know so much about cars, i have a really hard time doing that. And my service tool set is more targeted at Ford and VAG products so that narrows the field quite a bit. If i had a lot of spare time, i'd just drag one of the TDIs over to the shop and do that work, but nothing is easy at the moment. No low hanging fruit so to speak.

Honestly...

Please stop buying used garbage. I've been watching from the shadows because reading this thread is a form of self harm. You do some much good work, but never seem to climb out of the hole. I know that's pretty accusatory, but dang man. This want and desire for cars that are "cool" over cars that that don't take 4 hours of your day, every day seems to be a huge mistake to me. I certainly don't see every aspect of your life, nor do I read every post in this thread, but the gist I get is that your family's cars take up most of your "free" time. Even your vacation time from work.

I know you hate new vehicles, but I'm not sure why. I bought a brand new Ford Maverick, and it's been the best purchase I've ever made. Yes it tracks my movements for now, has electronic BS, but: It gets me to work every day, it doesn't break down, it requires minimal maintenance, it drives through the snow, it's quiet, comfy, and at $28k total, it feels that it would be cheaper than fighting your fleet.

Leaving automotive would do a lot of good for your soul. Mil and defense is so much better. SWRI will be expanding and and doing a more work since Kratos bought SRI, their other main competitor, which removes SRI from being a non-profit, which is often a requirement of government contracted work that requires testing services. Guaranteed company to grow in the next 5 years, probably by a lot. They are a place we never used to work with, but are a good bit now.

Anyway, feel free to tell me to F off, that's your right. But I do care about you, and I do respect you, especially your work ethic and creativity. But I hate to see you losing your life to old German junk. It is one thing if that's what you enjoyed in life, but it just seems to stress you out and cause hardship.

Anyway, I'm rooting for you, best of luck with whatever path you choose.
 

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What do you guys have down there? I almost took a job at SWRI, that would have been cool to be down there to work on D7s.... ;)

No shortage of projects to collaborate on...

Plenty of cars down this way; I'm within easy driving distance of 4 of the largest cities in the US - Austin, San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas. I'm on FB Marketplace daily, but I have to take an appetite suppressant because I already have too many projects.
 

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A good friend of mine told me 20+ years ago to buy a reliable daily driver that got good mileage and never modify it, just maintain it and drive it. I was full of it and thought I knew better and didn't take his advice and had my hot rods/project vehicles for my daily until I got married and the wife got a new to her car and I started driving her old Mazda Protege. It had 200k on it but still drove great, got 42 mpg and was the cheapest thing I have ever had to drive per mile all costs included. It wasn't until then that I found out for myself what a difference it made in my quality of life. I was starting a business and newly married and that was enough on my plate. I still have my projects, but they don't Have to get me to work or (now my kid) anywhere.

I'm driving a '05 Camry with a 5spd. It is my beige appliance. I don't care that it is not cool, I don't care that it's not fast or sounds good, I don't care about any of it except that it works and works every time I get in it. It does exactly what it needs to do like my fridge or deep freeze. It's got 227k on it, I've put an alternator on it and a belt, 2 coil packs and a valve cover gasket. Many sets of tires, but I have yet to put brakes on it. Still factory clutch. I'd say it's going to start needing some small stuff, but I have no reason to believe it won't go 300k+ without anything major. Cost of ownership on it is Very low.

If I keep at least half a tank of gas in it, I can literally jump in it and go 300 miles with no thought or worries except I'll need to get gas soon. Full tank is 600 mile range in Kansas highway driving (80 mph). This has become more important to me now that my parents are older and I just spent the last 5 days with my Dad in the hospital 2 hours away. I am doing my best to be prepared and ready to go at the drop of a hat. I learned this from when my wife's uncle got caught in a nat gas explosion and they weren't sure he would make. My MIL (his sister) had to get to the hospital 100 miles away asap and neither she nor the car was ready. Had to get gas, had to get other stuff ready, check the vitals on the car and also had to figure out how to get there, etc. I don't want to be stuck, I want to be confident that I can go anytime if needed. Something to think about.

Now what does giving up a 'cool' daily driver do for me? I get to work on my cool vehicles without the stress of having to use it to get somewhere in a few hours or the next day. I get to take my time and find the right parts for the right price, I get to take the time and learn how to fix something right, I get to make Good decisions pertaining the vehicle, not desperate/Bad decisions. I have worked all through the night outside laying in the sleet and snow to fix my junk, I've called in favors and dealt with alot of drama because of it and at the time I didn't think I had any better options. I figured if I got the generic daily I wouldn't have the money to keep my fun cars/trucks. What I found out after fighting it for 15 years was it is the opposite. I have more money in my pocket and time available now than I did driving my '71 Monte with a 468 BBC daily. I loved it, but now I've been driving a grown up car for 12 years and it's a game changer for me and my family. I still have my toys and I also have a trailer toter/hauler for those duties, but 4 of 5 days I'm in the camry. I think part of my acceptance of it is that I still have my cool cars/trucks and get to enjoy them. If my only vehicle was the camry, I probably wouldn't like it so much.

If you are still following along and not frustrated with me, I'd suggest finding a vanilla appliance with 4 tires from anywhere but were you are. You have enough people on this forum that will help you logistically with getting a car from an environment free of salt and brine that you could make it happen. A one time trip to get a good vehicle I think would still be less time than working on rusty stuff.
 

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If you are still following along and not frustrated with me, I'd suggest finding a vanilla appliance with 4 tires from anywhere but were you are. You have enough people on this forum that will help you logistically with getting a car from an environment free of salt and brine that you could make it happen. A one time trip to get a good vehicle I think would still be less time than working on rusty stuff.

For sure. I'm in North Alabama and you couldn't scrape enough rust off the first 100 cars on FB marketplace to match what hits the ground when you kick one rocker in the salt states.

I have only ever broken one bolt/stud, an exhaust stud, on my 26 year old, 197k mile BMW. 99% of the time they are reusable.

Even if it's a junker, just being able to work on it with no rust in your eyes is worth the price of admission.
 

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Because you are already invested in Audi tools and parts and know them inside and out, why not get a low mileage one from somewhere in the south. This $6,844 A4 convertible in Port St. Lucie, FL has less than 56K miles on it. Not the best body style for Michigan but you could probably unload a rust-free convertible next summer for better than break-even money.
[Not sure why it says 'Page Unavailable' but the link worked for me.]
 
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86turbodsl

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Short update:

I picked up a new car this weekend.
Due to the amount of negative feedback on the ongoing Audi saga, this thread will be focusing on shop-related/tool-related content moving forward.
I heard enough both on-thread and off-thread that convinced me that nobody is here for that content and frankly i don't need the negativity in my life. So that will be tangential at best going forward.

Hopefully i can make some progress that someone in GJ-land might want to see this spring. That is all. On with your Mondays. Peace.
 

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I'm sorry that you have been driven to this decision, but not surprized. Armchair experts are at best a mixed blessing.....
If you feel that you can at least show us any successes on that car I will be interested to see them. If you don't want to bother I will understand.
Hopefully this will make some people realize that they should be grateful that folks like you and Strouty are good enough to post content warts and all and don't actually need comments on your abilities unless asked for.
i hope things improve for you and thanks for sharing whatever you feel like sharing.
 

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I understand your decision. You have had a bunch of people piling on about your car project. I like driving beaters/older used cars always have. I keep 2 or 3 in the rotation all the time so one is always ready to go. I follow both you and Strouty because you are always working on something interesting.
 

Johanfpa

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Nobody needs negativity in their lives so I fully understand your decision.
I always enjoyed reading about your clever engineering solutions; most of which worked great but some not completely successful, as is normal.
The difficulty with forums like these is that you will have some great suggestions mixed in with armchair quarterbacking mostly because they don't have a full view of your personal views/situation/etc.
I hope the new car works out for you and enables you to get stuck in all your other projects which I'm looking forward reading about!
 
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86turbodsl

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Working on fixing the syncrowave. I have high frequency but won't jump the torch, and have current control, so the pc board is ok. i think i need to pull panels and check the CR relays. I am hoping i can just sand contacts. I scratch started the torch and nearly blinded myself. Ouch.

It's only 32F out. I'm tired of winter.
 
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