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Time definitely does move quickly, we are coming up on twenty years in our “ten year plan” house.

Glad to hear you are feeling better, hope the heat isn’t too bad, I have been working early, then trying to avoid the heat as much as possible. Stay hydrated, nothing like being sick and dehydrated.
 
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Getting back at it, i took Saturday off and went to the Michigan Tool Fest in Flint. Held at a makerspace up there. We used to live there, so it was nice to see that our decision to get out of Flint was still solid! Hah! No seriously, met some nice folks, saw some cool stuff, stayed out of the heat mostly. Sunday i was back on the Rio, got it back together and found that i have more lights on the dash than when i started. Grrrr. No electric steering, ABS, brakes, lit up like a christmas tree. But it runs fine now. <headslap> And my OBD2 tool doesn't connect anymore. I'm tired of it.

I got the factory service manual now, so i'll keep plugging away at it when i can. I think it could be driven though.

Need to get back on the shop.
 

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I have heard of having extra parts when you get something back together, but extra lights is a new one!

Hope it isn’t as hot for you, we are just starting to cool off now.
 

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Getting back at it, i took Saturday off and went to the Michigan Tool Fest in Flint. Held at a makerspace up there. We used to live there, so it was nice to see that our decision to get out of Flint was still solid! Hah! No seriously, met some nice folks, saw some cool stuff, stayed out of the heat mostly. Sunday i was back on the Rio, got it back together and found that i have more lights on the dash than when i started. Grrrr. No electric steering, ABS, brakes, lit up like a christmas tree. But it runs fine now. <headslap> And my OBD2 tool doesn't connect anymore. I'm tired of it.

I got the factory service manual now, so i'll keep plugging away at it when i can. I think it could be driven though.

Need to get back on the shop.

Black electrical tape makes all the warning lights go away.
 
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Started cleaning up around the kids truck to prep for moving it out.

I decided since we needed to move a lot of the truck parts out as well, the perfect place to put the stuff was ON the vehicle so i got a wild hair and cut out the front gas tank, cleaned up the transfer case, and me and the kid wrestled the transfer case into place, then swapped the yokes on the driveshafts and got that installed. A few more nights like that and i beleive we'd have most of it licked. I do need to get it outside so the tractor gets fixed though. The grass is stupid long.
 
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Been working on this this weekend. Need to get it going to get the kids truck done so I can get it out of the shop and off my list.

Been wanting to get it going for a long while. Somebody shipped me a few round tuits.0ba642e5f91f2bb38a66bdb3a1fdeed8.jpg6c00217daf0573da484449fe38214c72.jpgd071edff38dd99962a36fbe0e24abafc.jpg8e5c705c1d512e380defdb988e8d19c1.jpg95b59d22185a23524afd0d6179588ab7.jpg

The back wheels were salvage from an old welding cart. They are hard rubber and flattening out. :(

I'm going to make new ones.
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Scored this breaker panel today. 3 phase. Brand new. Nearly everything I need to finish wiring the shop here now.

I don't know what you mean strouty.491f9ca724657d724e7670388adcb566.jpg

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You must be tired. Flat spots = special automatic braking wheels. Bad joke :(

The panel looks great, except it is reminding me that I need to set mine up too. I guess I can watch how you do yours, then maybe copy you!
 

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Definitely skipped around a bunch, but I enjoyed reading in your thread. Hope I can have as big a shop as yours someday, but instead of all the fuss with warming it up, I'll be fussing with cooling it down, I'm in phoenix. Keep up the good work!
 
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Strouty, i must be senile. That makes sense now. <headslap>

Humming, thanks dude! I enjoy AC stories as much as heating, as an amateur diy heat pump planner...

Finally got the wheel blanks cut out. Had to borrow a larger bandsaw. My little 4x6 can't come close to cutting 8.5" blanks. Lol.

Still need to design the centers and hubs, and weld em up.

Cut out the cord hanger while i was at it. Last night i cleaned up the shop quite a bit. I think maybe a week or two would do it. IF i had enough boxes and places to put stuff. Really need to whack out some storage spaces.

I should just put up some more pallet rack to get stuff off the floor.
 
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Thanks. Cleaned and re-ballasted a couple of fluorescent fixtures, and mounted them under the oil storage area so that is better lit. After i got them installed, i noticed i put an incorrect ballast in one of them, so that's gotta come back out and get a different one... i gotta stop having a beer with dinner...:beer:
 
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Got the fluorescent lights finished tonight and made all the tig rod holder tubes. Going to design up a holder for the holders now. Going to be sweet.
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A care package from a welding web friend showed up today. I'm stoked.

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One more step in my grand plan to be a one stop prototype shop.

My plasma is 70amps. Good for 1" at 60pct duty.
The 1torch upgrade knocks my consumables cost down into the toilet. The original torch was stupid expensive.

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Nice score tonight, dude on Facebook had a bunch of 3/4 copper L pipe he sold me for less than half of new. I have just enough now to finish the air system in the shop. Now i can order the fittings and get it done. It's cool too, the pex system i had planned on had way more expensive fittings. So it's a big save. I can't wait! Really need to get a move on this shop. I haven't completed any major projects this summer yet. I'm not happy about that.

I've taken off every friday for the rest of the month. 3 day weekends should help.
 
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I may have to add some mondays too, to get this pile of work whittled down. I'm almost tipped over into panic work mode, where i stop fussing about quality so much and worry more about completion. It's FREAKING AUGUST already! 2 months and it'll be heating time. My oil tanks aren't even full yet.
 
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Sorry strouty.

I worked on the cart again tonight.

Got the wheels done, one of the hose holders done, and the bulkhead for the connectors mounted.

One of the cables fit perfect. One needs made from scratch. I have to pickup a 3/4 in bar for the new axle and some wide strip to make the tig rod holders structure.6396e1eb8ab9a929d514d888112a0179.jpgfdcd6c553db12b0f98a15ceeec1e58bd.jpg02444bb70e623efe0e79bae1a60cba56.jpge5130cd1daae52791ade0a4e87efedbb.jpgea137e5600f5f540ca0c17eeba419c08.jpg

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Dude, those wheels work awesome. I checked the same thing is a 100 ea on McMaster. And I had all the steel laying around. 2 per bearing is all I spent.

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I ordered some quick connects for the tig connections and already have the stick connectors. This will finally be quick to swap over instead of a 15 minute adventure to find everything and get wrenches.

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I think quick connectors are the way to go unless you are a real welding shop, then a dedicated machine for each process would be better.
 
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I've had em for the stick for a while. I sure like em. Tig torch is new so figured I'd go straight for that.

Hoping to get down to one machine for each process to save room. Getting crowded in here. Lol.

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Went on the us12 garage sale yesterday. Found some nice stuff for the shop. A guard for my fan without one was an answered prayer that I don't decapitate myself one-day because it's spinning by my head. Lol.

Also grabbed a bunch of pro grade air regulators with devilbis filter oilers.

Getting back into it today. Lots to do.2ee3a72f313dcd6de3b80c8d2637d82e.jpg

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Looks like some nice parts you ended up with, I haven't been to a yard sale in a while and someday my GF and I want to take a week and go to the US 12 sale, it looks like it could be very dangerous.

With the welders, are you looking for a power supply that runs everything? If so, you could probably get away with one for everything but TIG, unless you get a super fancy new fangled one that is TIG oriented with the ability to do the other functions. I bought a shopmaster 300 years ago, it will do everything, but you still really need a high frequency box, then I have a wire feeder, regular stick welding leads. In the end, I primarily use it for a wire feeder, one for bigger stuff, then I bought a little welder to keep smaller wire in. As you know I also bought a bunch of TIG machines, of course I still haven't done any welding. :( I guess my point is, I don't think you can have just one machine.
 
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No, not one machine. There are two basic types of power supplies, constant current, and constant voltage. Constant current is your basic stick welder, which with high freqency added along with current control, becomes a TIG welder. I have several of those, need to get down to one hopefully, maybe keeping the 330 on the shelf as a backup. The one i'm making the cart for is the target CC welder, the Syncrowave 300. The other type, constant voltage, is your basic MIG. Most people have a MIG with a feeder integrated in the box. I have MIGs with external feeders, in this case, a Miller S-52E, which works great and is pretty industrial. The power sources are convertered CP200/300 from 3 phase to single phase. It's called the Dave Kamp conversion. You can get welders that do all processes, those are always inverter type. I specifically don't want an inverter welder, one because i'm not doing enough welding to see a savings on the power bill, and two, i don't want a welder that can spontaneously puke a board one day and take out ALL of my welders. The older welders i like don't usually have boards to go belly up.

My plasma is an inverter, but an OLD one, which has discrete components on the boards, you can actually fix those when they go bad. New ones, you just throw a board away and put another $1000 board in it, IF you can get one. We all know by now i don't like throw away society...
 

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My Shopmaster is both CV and CC, just flip a switch, it is nice, but big. It was $300 and has paid for itself over an over again. Funny part is when I bought it, it said "JUNK" on the top and sides of the unit. I have used all processes to an extent, TIG was the only one I really didn't do anything, because I didn't know what I was doing. I use it for spoolguns, MIG, and stick.
 
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Interesting. Had to look it up. Never heard of a shopmaster. Basically an early syncrowave 250 without a hf circuit. Learn something new every day. Welding web guys say it doesn't perform as well as dedicated machines in either process. But for cheap and versatile it would probably take the cake. What do you use for tig starts? Scratch?


I disassembled all the air stuff. Got 4 filters, 4 valves, 6 air Chucks, all of which match my system, and 5 regulators. All gear is top brands such as watts, norgren and devilbiss. All for 20 bucks and the filters are auto drain even. [emoji41]
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I have a HF box, but never hooked it up. For spoolgun, MIG, and stick it if fine, never had any issues, once I know enough about TIG, then I can figure out what I think. Either way, it is great for my situation.

Sounds like you did really well with the air stuff, I don’t find stuff like that very often around here.
 
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