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[86turbodsl]

Probably nothing. It's old tech. Wanted to build a cleveland for a long time. Big inch efi.

As for the donation. Lol. Get in line. About 3ppl in front of you. Its my first car, from 16yrs old.

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[86turbodsl]

I got about 6" snow. Spent plenty of time chipping it out. Have parts for a tractor based plow but of course I haven't gotten to the top of the list to convert the dream into reality

I think you'll like those copper airlines! No rust, no flakes, just nice air

That's what I'm hoping. I still have to figure out the head end plumbing. Aftercooler, two tanks and a dryer in there somewhere.

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[86turbodsl]

Tonight is the cold night. I battened the hatches further. Welded a pulley mount plate on the door frame then reinstalled the insulation on the center. Knocks the heat loss down a bit. Filled the salamander full up, and came in for the night. Like 12F out now, on the way down to about 7F.

 

[bulletpruf]

Right now, it's got a hot 351W i built back in around 1990 before the price of Ford stuff started to come down a little. It's got one of the first sets of Alan Root J302 heads, a single plane intake, Holley 750, comp cams 270h, and a few other parts in front of a toploader. I've recently been thinking about building a stroker cleveland for it. I can't afford an FE. Too much money for what they are.

Windsor is a good call. Not too heavy, you can get well over 400 cubes easily, incredible aftermarket support, and you don't need to hack the shock towers to get at the spark plugs.

I've never built a Cleveland, so can't really speak intelligently on those.

As for the FE, I hear you. If you're worried about $$$, Windsor is the right motor, hands down. If you want a Day 2/period correct car, go with an FE.

I've had a few with the 385 series motor -- one 460 and one 514. Really don't care for that except for an all-out build. Yes, you can get 500+ cubes easily and can make stupid power NA, but these suckers are BIG and HEAVY. Shock tower surgery is pretty much mandatory.

Keep us posted on what you end up doing, and if you run across a clean 66 or 67 hardtop, please let me know...

I also have parts if you need stuff.

Scott

 

[86turbodsl]

Windsor is a good call. Not too heavy, you can get well over 400 cubes easily, incredible aftermarket support, and you don't need to hack the shock towers to get at the spark plugs.

I've never built a Cleveland, so can't really speak intelligently on those.

As for the FE, I hear you. If you're worried about $$$, Windsor is the right motor, hands down. If you want a Day 2/period correct car, go with an FE.

I've had a few with the 385 series motor -- one 460 and one 514. Really don't care for that except for an all-out build. Yes, you can get 500+ cubes easily and can make stupid power NA, but these suckers are BIG and HEAVY. Shock tower surgery is pretty much mandatory.

Keep us posted on what you end up doing, and if you run across a clean 66 or 67 hardtop, please let me know...

I also have parts if you need stuff.

Scott

Nobody was really building 351Ws when i built this. I found a formula in Hot rod magazine back then and followed that for the most part. It was before i was an engine engineer and I didn't know anything. 351W is fairly cheap to get cubes with, but the 3" mains are a limiting factor on rpms. SFM gets pretty high if you want to spin it. I'm still not 100% on what i'm doing yet. The convertible needs an engine and i might slide the 351 over there just to get it moving. The coupe will always be my hot rod. I have a 400M here that would make a good cleveland stroker. I know they're red headed step children, but it's easy to make good power with lots of cubes and the right parts. Cleveland style heads flow good without a lot of work. Even though the 351W has J302 heads, they're still old, and anything modern costs $$$ in a windsor. Not sure yet. It's somewhat a "what can i figure out that i can do myself" type project. Probably still years away though.

 

[Strouty]

I would just put 6.0 LS Chevy engine in it and not look back.

 

[86turbodsl]

Nothing against Chev engines, but I wouldn't do it.

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[Strouty]

I remember when I was younger and I built a small block chevy, my brother was building a small block ford, holy **** was all I had to say about the cost difference between the two. I have seen a few older Fords with the 6.0 in them and it actually looked nice and clean, I can also understand the mixed brand issues, to me it is no different than putting a cummins in a Ford, but I am a bit off.

Looks like you have been making some progress on the facilities, is the cold front almost out of there or are you stuck with it? How much snow did you end up with?

 

[86turbodsl]

Oh yeah, when i built that thing back in about 88/89, it cost a pile of money. I think it's better now, but still not SBC cheap.

It's warmed a bit, supposed to be in the 40s next week so warmer for sure.

Last night i put the oil pump together and took apart the oil tank and getting ready to get burner infrastructure put back together. I am starting to gel on the changes i'm making to the burner. I'm also building a lot of tunability into it.

We got about 6" here. I heard some places got near 11 though. It was no fun for sure. Took me 2.75 hours to get home from work Monday.

 

[OldSoldier]

took me 2.75 hours to get home from work monday.

yuck!

 

[Strouty]

Should have used a dog sled.

 

[86turbodsl]

Should have used a dog sled.

Might have been faster.

Came out to the shop last night and found the temp down and the salamander locked out. Couldn't get it to fire up for more than a second or two. Started by checking the fuel filter, no issues, then upon more investigation found some water dribbling out of the front. Uh oh. Water in fuel. Checked around and found a turkey baster. Sucked over 2 gallons of water out of the sump. 1oz at a time. No, i didn't have a pump.

It's running again, but GEEZ. What a pain. I'm working on the boiler this weekend.

 

[Strouty]

Where did all the water come from?

 

[86turbodsl]

I just filled up, or it could have been the can sitting around for a year. Don't know. It's running now.

 

[86turbodsl]

This weekends' first task is get oil supply for the new burner squared away.

I will be making a new insulated surround for the tank, and getting oil supply hooked up.

I started by cutting out a motor mount on the cnc.

Fitted to the motor assembly and then welded some legs on it.

That part is squared away.

Now to make the tank surround.

 

[86turbodsl]

Today i started off after church by helping the wife go get some hay for her horses. Well that was the plan anyway. She has been instructed to eyeball inspect any further hay purchases because of some pretty bad stuff we've bargained on in past years. So yesterday after work she went down to a local place and put eyeballs on the facebook market hay she liked. They said $50/bale and stored indoors. Said she wanted 4 and we'll come Sunday. One the way over there, we get a text to meet the guy at a different place and it would be outside. She texted back she was shown indoor hay and that's what she wanted. Guy said that his skid steer wasn't at that location anymore and he would have to haul it back. She said ok. We arrive, i back the trailer into the yard and unhook. Guy meets us there and says $50 hay is outdoors. "its' in the ad". We pull up ad, nothing about indoor hay is 75. He says it's 75 for indoor hay as he unloads the skid steer. I hooked the trailer back up and told him "this is bait and switch ********" got in the truck and drove away. I'll pay more for honest sellers. i'm NOT going to give money to such blatantly dishonest people.

After that debacle, I managed to squeeze in some work on the preheat box. I stuck with the plywood box as last time because other than the cheap chinese valve that leaked, it worked pretty well and kept the heat loss down pretty good. I bumped up the insulation thickness a little bit, and am setting up for a bit of insulation on top with a split lid allowing for return oil from the runoff of the burner ball. I need to get a couple of longer pipe fittings and then i'll be able to start wiring.

 

[scooterbum46]

Your current tasks brought back memories from a hundred years ago (well OK, just the early 50's). Our family home, built by my dad, grandfather and uncles, had a pot style furnace in the basement and a buried thousand gallon tank that was slightly uphill from the house. I'm not sure of the details, I know that usually the oil would gravity feed, and a pot type burner (DuoTherm type) "carburetor" can't have pressure, but what dad had built involved a small tank and a float switch that controlled a gear style pump which fed the tank, which fed the carburetor ...... Kept us warm, probably not to Fire Code though...

If the bait and switch dude was using one of the online sale sites, I'd report 'em...

 

[Strouty]

Yes, report and make known, you can rate the sellers on FBMP.

 

[86turbodsl]

I'll have to get the wife to do it. She was making the contact. Thanks for info.

 

[rattle_snake]

$50 a bale! $75? Holy smokes!
Hay and Alfalfa is about $15 here (way cheaper if you get a squeeze). Guess thats cuz it is grown locally all year round....
Either way it gets turned into poop.

Interestingly, the larger electronic company I work for have developed only 1/2 the property they bought long ago, so they farm the other ~50 acres for tax purposes. They baled the 'nth' cut last week (I've lost count). They plow and plant corn for the other half of the year.

 

[Strouty]

I figure he is talking about really big bales, maybe the rounds?

 

[86turbodsl]

Right, large round bales. I got tired of slinging the smalls and borrowing the neighbors elevator to put squares in the loft so we went rounds. Bought a pallet jack and we shuffle every 3 or 4 weeks.
Maybe someday I'll get a rough terrain forklift and go back to squares. Who knows.

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[86turbodsl]

Oil tank is assembled and waiting for a fitting to attach the oil line. Then controls.
Once that's done, work begins on burner 2.0 or is it 2.5? I forget where i'm at.

It happens with age...

 

[86turbodsl]

Super productive night. Got the oil tank connected to the storage, got the lathe chuck off finally, and rounded up all the parts for the burner, taking them to work to reverse engineer and get the design done finally. I think i'm narrowing it down finally.

 

[Strouty]

Sweet, nothing like having things come together, or in this case apart too.

 

[86turbodsl]

I have most of the stuff for the burner gathered, hope to post up in the next day or two with progress. I've been steadily draining all the new water out of my oil tanks. Should be in good shape by the time i get ready to fire.

Tomorrow i'm going to help a friend rig and bring home an Index CNC mill. That'll probably blow a good chunk of the day.

 

[86turbodsl]

So far today I've gotten this thing installed. Pig oil containment system. I'm putting up the last of my oil today and finishing oil delivery.

Saturday I helped my buddy bring this index mill home. It fit in the door by deflecting the door frame. [emoji51]

 

[Strouty]

That would have sucked if it didn’t fit.

 

[86turbodsl]

We were debating what to do next, pull the head or the motor. The head wouldn't roll over far enough. We think there is swarf in the t slots on the head. It would rotate on the base though, and that gave us enough room to get it far enough off the trailer to grab it with the pallet jack.

 

[86turbodsl]

Built this shelf for the pump and put up the last 2 barrels of oil. From my estimate I have 800+ gallons of oil in the shop now. My estimate is about 120 million btus. I think I'm going to stop now.

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[86turbodsl]

My last act last night was to finally get this drain funnel knocked out. Been wanting to do this for months.

Today is beautiful so I have the big door unfastened and open. Going to let it equalize and work until the rain hits then shut and heat. Prepping for the new burner build and that includes getting the syncro cart done and mobile.

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[Strouty]

Fingers crossed there are no Exxon Valdez events.

When I went to pick up my bridgeport, it wouldn't fit through the doors, I had to remove the door to the electrical panel attached to it, then it fit.

 

[86turbodsl]

I've got the stuff in hand to make overflow vents that go back down to the main barrel so basically idiot proof it. Maybe ill get to it today. Maybe...

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[Strouty]

I've got the stuff in hand to make overflow vents that go back down to the main barrel so basically idiot proof it. Maybe ill get to it today. Maybe...

Just remember the mess and how long it took to clean up, you may want it to be a priority.

 

[86turbodsl]

Right. It'll likely never be fully cleaned up. I still haven't figured out how to get the oil stains out of the floor.

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[Strouty]

Those just add character.

 

[86turbodsl]

Makes it look shabby if you ask me. But what can I do?

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[Strouty]

Ever heard of “shabby chic” rich people pay to have stains like that.

 

[86turbodsl]

I'm not rich. Lol.

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[Spareparts]

I have had good luck with cheap paint thinner and scrub it in a little and put floor dry on it and let it sit oernight.Sweep it up and save it for the next spill. Spilled 50 gal. of diesel oil on the shop floor, got the oil picked up but had a big stain. The thinner and floor dry cleaned it up, but I have also used Royal Purple and floor dry and it does good and not have to worry about it being flammable.