Above 1200 Sq/FT 86's 20HP shop

[86turbodsl]

Ended up torch and hammering 3 of the 4 posts to somewhat straight. Lots of rust flaking off. You can tell it was used in the winter. Think they are all straight enough to install. I have shims if needed.



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[Strouty]

Between the concrete and the posts, shims are almost always required, we had some that were close to 5/16” thick in spots. I am sure you will be fine. Glad you found the cables, I was pointing at them, guess you didn’t see that.

 

[86turbodsl]

At least 2 of the posts seems pretty good now. I should be able to start sinking holes today. I hope. Snow is flying. Brace yourself.

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[Strouty]

I don’t think we are going to see any snow for the next 10 days, they are calling for high 50s almost all week. I hope you don’t get hit too bad, it would cripple me if we got a storm right now, so I can only imagine how you feel. Good luck!

 

[86turbodsl]

We had a pretty good snowfall rate for a little bit, but it's tapered off some. The wind is nuts. Gusts to 40 they are saying. Lots of debris in the roads. Supposed to be up to near 70 by next weekend. I'm game.

I fished some angle iron out of the pile and have clamped it to the posts so they can stay aligned and at 15' 1" while i bang them around. I think the game plan is keep banging the shopward posts back and forth until the diagonals match. The install manual calls out 18', 3 and 11/32" for diagonals. I don't know who in their right mind would measure a lift post position out to a 32 of an inch. But it's in the book. But then they say don't fasten the offside posts until you get 1/8" play on the cross beams. So the offside position seems to be more fluid. I don't think i'm going to get too **** about it. It's an old lift, and doesn't need to go up and down every day. And it's rated at 9k, and will have maybe 3500lbs on it. Basically free up floorspace. For the 350 i gave for it, i think it'll work just fine. Even a little crooked if that happens.

 

[86turbodsl]

Here's some photos from the lift install. 4 down. No leakers. 12 to go!

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[Strouty]

Hope the rest were the same, the joys of radiant heat!

 

[86turbodsl]

Yes. Indeed. I did not get more installed. I did finish the main onside post, ready to install the lift beam. I moved the convertible back into the hole next to the offside posts so i can get the tractor into the back of the barn. I couldn't open the big door because of the crazy wind here. Only downside of that kind of door is wind is bad. So i stopped work. The next step is to put the beam on the tractor and bring into the shop on the loader. I pulled the bucket off the loader, and installed a bar and roller so i can move it around on the loader frame. I'll drive it in and attach loosely to the first post, then support under the beam with a structure yet to be built, then back tractor out and bolt post to it. Then align to floor markings, and fasten down. That will finish the onside posts. After that it gets really easy. The loader is ready, the big job right now is to get the beam onto the loader frame so it doesn't fall off. That should be fun... whee...

 

[rattle_snake]

Progress is good. Lift will be up and in use soon enough. At least you have a tractor, and one with a FEL, to move those heavy beams. Be safe...

Me, I would piss away a bunch of time on rust removal and painting that would have no effect on lift use other than delaying it.

 

[86turbodsl]

Pretty good day. My plan for lifting beam started with moving the beam to a pair of barrels out in the yard, and approaching them from the correct side. I used my son to drive and help lift and then a 2x4 to lift the beam onto the loader frame. A little muscle and it was done.

I was able to tie the light end down to the loader frame and use the loader to lift the heavy end and drive into the shop.

Set it down on a barrel while we ate dinner.

Then lift up onto the bolted down post, use long bolts to hold it on the post then unfasten the beam from the loader frame and lift up, and it levered the beam horizontal, then the roller on the loader end allowed me to back up far enough and i sat the free post under the beam.

We then backed out, lifted the loader above the beam, attached a chain, lifted the beam again, and moved the free post to the final position and bolted in place. It's nearly dead nuts perfect where it's at. I tapped it a bit and it's perfect.

I've had a couple libations at the moment, so i'm not going to drill and bolt it down right now.

But to say it was a success installing the big beam is an understatement. It was a breeze. If the rest of the lift goes this easy, we'll be lifting the Fairlanes by the weekend.

 

[86turbodsl]

Progress is good. Lift will be up and in use soon enough. At least you have a tractor, and one with a FEL, to move those heavy beams. Be safe...

Me, I would piss away a bunch of time on rust removal and painting that would have no effect on lift use other than delaying it.

Rattlesnake. I fight that urge every time i do a project. I WANT stuff to look like new, but be old and vintage. I can't help restoring nearly everything. It takes an enormous chunk of willpower not to strip everything and paint it. The struggle is real.

 

[Strouty]

You aren’t joking, I have more stalked projects due to “perfectionism”.

You are getting things done, glad there isn’t any white stuff hanging around.

 

[86turbodsl]

Trying Strouty, trying. I would have gotten them drilled and bolted if i hadn't had a couple during dinner.

Guess i'll go watch election coverage for a while and crash.

 

[86turbodsl]

I can see now i need to pay some attention to the cross beams. Going to slow things down a little.

5 of the chain rollers are locked up. Cheapest i can find them online is ~ $70 each. Does anyone have any wisdom on those? I was thinking of pressing one apart, but it's beyond anything i have here at home. I need a shop press...

EDIT: One of the rollers was falling apart, so i was able to see how it was put together. I then was able to get the rest apart easily. They are very rusty, but i think savable by soaking in evaporust. I'm going to pick some up tonight and give it a shot. nothing to lose really.

 

[Strouty]

That was going to be my suggestion, I have had rusty adjustable wrenches that were seized up and soaking them made the wrench work without any effort other than the soaking.

 

[86turbodsl]

I've got the rollers soaking and installed 4 more concrete anchors. Now i'm just waiting on the cross beams to be ready and those can go in.

 

[bulletpruf]

Rattlesnake. I fight that urge every time i do a project. I WANT stuff to look like new, but be old and vintage. I can't help restoring nearly everything. It takes an enormous chunk of willpower not to strip everything and paint it. The struggle is real.

Definitely a slippery slope. My worst example - I pulled a '70 GTO in the garage for a tune up and brakes, and that snowballed into a frame off, nut and bolt restoration that won Best Restored GTO (out of 93 competing) at GTO Assn. Nationals.

 

[Strouty]

Bulletpruf, my stories never end like that, clearly you are doing something wrong.

 

[86turbodsl]

Bulletpruf, that's a good outcome, if a little long. Mine don't work that well usually.

I threw a coat of primer and paint on the cross beams, started looking at hardware and found some issues. End rollers were worn, i picked up steel this morning and made my own. New bolts on those too. Two of the torsion springs were broken on one end, and they can't be broken and be safe. So i went in search of those, and nowhere to be found. I guess i'm making my own. It's not hard, just a pain to wait for a mcmaster order to show up. So in the meantime, i'll get the chain rollers rebuilt and installed and get the cross beams inside ready to go in. I'm supposed to be self isolating for a "medical procedure" on monday morning, so i'm probably not going anywhere tomorrow. I think i'll probably pull the ramps out of the weeds and do whatever those need tomorrow. I don't think i'm painting them though. Even if they are ugly puke yellow.

Pics.

 

[bulletpruf]

Bulletpruf, my stories never end like that, clearly you are doing something wrong.

Trust me, it wasn't a happy ending. I ended up selling it for $80k -- it was an original Ram Air IV/M21/4.33/manual steering and brakes/dog dish hubcap car -- so it had that going for it. But it was too damn nice to drive.

Anyway, at $80K, I took a BEATING.

Bulletpruf, that's a good outcome, if a little long. Mine don't work that well usually.

I threw a coat of primer and paint on the cross beams, started looking at hardware and found some issues. End rollers were worn, i picked up steel this morning and made my own. New bolts on those too. Two of the torsion springs were broken on one end, and they can't be broken and be safe. So i went in search of those, and nowhere to be found. I guess i'm making my own. It's not hard, just a pain to wait for a mcmaster order to show up. So in the meantime, i'll get the chain rollers rebuilt and installed and get the cross beams inside ready to go in. I'm supposed to be self isolating for a "medical procedure" on monday morning, so i'm probably not going anywhere tomorrow. I think i'll probably pull the ramps out of the weeds and do whatever those need tomorrow. I don't think i'm painting them though. Even if they are ugly puke yellow.

Pics in a min.

I'm waiting to see pics of one of the Fairlanes on the lift...

 

[86turbodsl]

Trust me, it wasn't a happy ending. I ended up selling it for $80k -- it was an original Ram Air IV/M21/4.33/manual steering and brakes/dog dish hubcap car -- so it had that going for it. But it was too damn nice to drive.

Anyway, at $80K, I took a BEATING.



I'm waiting to see pics of one of the Fairlanes on the lift...

Ouch. A beating at 80k. I have no concept. I'm hurrying, i'm hurrying! Keep hitting roadblocks. Today no exception. i have to go get hay bales for the wife. did get the last bad part off the lift though and have made some progress towards reassembly.

 

[86turbodsl]

Saturday and Sunday was spent getting hay and cleaning up the yard to get hay for the wife. Then getting ready for the procedure this morning. After I slept off the anesthesia, wife brought me home and I slept. After lunch I felt ok enough to go out to the shop and work on rollers.

I started by pulling everything apart and cleaning it up. The roller bearings went in evaporust, and bearing housings went into a lye bath to get the grease off.

I had about a hundred rollers to get cleaned up.

Put them one at a time into a drill and spun against a wire wheel.

Then reassemble. Saved myself about 500 dollars today. These retail over a hundred each.

Also ordered a bunch of parts from mcmaster. Should be ready to start reassembly tomorrow.



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[rattle_snake]

Well, now you have an extra $500 for Fairlane parts or tools.
Or something like that.

 

[86turbodsl]

Rattlesnake. I like the way you think... [emoji6]

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[86turbodsl]

My boy and I moved the beams inside, convertible out of the way and we are ready to reassemble and install. Can't wait!

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[Strouty]

Sounds like a successful day.

 

[Duker]

Rattlesnake. I fight that urge every time i do a project. I WANT stuff to look like new, but be old and vintage. I can't help restoring nearly everything. It takes an enormous chunk of willpower not to strip everything and paint it. The struggle is real.

First, I am glad to see I am not the only one who suffers that same affliction....the only cure I know is at some point the number of projects to complete outweighs/overcomes the desire to restore them all to new and you slowly become happy with fully functional.... at least that’s what I have been told because I am not there yet!


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[Strouty]

Duker, I don’t think that happens, I have hundreds of projects and most are still sitting unfinished, I will keep adding new ones and report back if I ever find out if your hypothesis holds true.

 

[86turbodsl]

You guys are not encouraging me lol...

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[rattle_snake]

Just think about this shortly possible, but hypothetical situation;
-Its cold and snowing outside.
-You are working on what you want to work on, in your heated shop, nice and warm
-Fairlane <or insert other broken vehicle here> is up on lift yielding access to otherwise PITA situation
-Hot coffee <or beverage of choice> in one hand and the other hand free to work on said vehicle.

 

[86turbodsl]

Rattlesnake,

That helps. Thank you. [emoji3]

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[86turbodsl]

I finally squeezed out a couple hours time to get the main cross beam totally ready last night.
Installed new rebuilt rollers, made spacers to keep them centered, on new bolts with lock nuts.
Made new guide pins for the bottom and installed all clips and whatnot. That beam is ready to go in.

On the second beam, i need to wind torsion springs for one end. Anybody do that before? I bought music wire and just need to figure out a mandrel and winder. I'm out on a limb here.

 

[bimmer1980]

Spring winding...... Big lathe..... Wire holder on the tool post, low gear........

I personally have not done it, but have seen videos of guys doing it this way....

Youtube or Homemadetools.net

 

[86turbodsl]

Lathe isn't running yet. No oil even in gear case. I did look on youtube. A few vids there. I have the stuff i need i think.

 

[Strouty]

Don’t you have a big pipe threader?

 

[86turbodsl]

No.

 

[86turbodsl]

Well, tonight the wife and i wrestled the primary cross beam into place, threading the BL634 chain through it and around the pulleys. I got the beam on the floor and shimmed 1/8" from the offside post, and shimmed the post plumb. It needed 3 shims. It's ready to drill, but i'm holding off until the other beam is ready to go in, and double check cross measurements one last time. Only get one shot at it.

The last beam needs a bit of repair. One of the holes is hogged out, so i'm going to weld washers on both sides of the hole. I'm hoping the bolt isn't too short. I also need to finish winding 2 torsion springs. Haven't made the mandrels yet, probably won't have time until tomorrow. Work is killing me. We had an update to Windows 10 a few weeks ago, and in the process the IT guys broke my install of Creo, and since i'm the only guy using it in North America, they didn't know how to fix it. In the meantime, all my projects got 3 weeks behind. It took them that long to fix it. I knew i was in trouble when the IT manager sat down at my computer and pulled up a google window. "Creo broken" was the search.

I walked away....

 

[86turbodsl]

The boy and I carried the last beam over to welding land and I took care of business with these big washers. Pretty much fixed her wagon. Then quit for the night due to galvanized poisoning. Milk to the rescue. Wheeee....

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[macgyver37]

Can you chuck up the mandrel in the lathe and manually turn the spindle to make your spring?

 

[86turbodsl]

Lathe not running yet. Good idea maybe. I think it will do 20 or 25 rpm.

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