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I tore the burner apart to take a look inside and was stunned by the amount of ash build up in it.
I think the burner tube needs to be much much larger to allow for yearly cleanings. I'm going to extend
the ball further into the burner, readjust the electrodes, clean the tube, and add deflector for oil dripping.
 
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Myself and maybe some others would like to see pics of the boiler/burner/electronics in current state, to help understand the changes you proposed above.
 
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ok, i'll see what i can do. it's a fluid situation as i work on it. Got the burner off the boiler, working on cleaning now.
 
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Ok, had to stop early to take my son for his birthday dinner, but here's what i got done today:

Pulled the burner tube, used a new tool i made to quickly clean the inside of the tube. It's a flat plate of steel welded to a rod, the curvature of the plate matches the inside of the tube.


Then i extended the length of the doorknob stand, by about an inch, which will push the doorknob closer to the burner tube, hopefully minimizing the amount of oil landing on the seam between burner tube and burner body. I was going to add a deflector, but i'm unsure on the effectiveness of that, due to the geometry of the area, so i might just put some copper rtv on there instead.

Then to try to increase the temperature of the burn, and reduce the ash, i'm adding combustion air. I made this sleeve a while back to bring in outside air, but hadnt implemented. I did add holes to the sides of the burner tube, and we'll try this for a while and see how much it improves. I can always drill more holes on the burner tube if it's not enough. It'll help to reduce how dangerous the burner is as well, by shielding the red hot area and cooling it at the same time.

I am moving the stainless tube insert closer to the burner as well. It was down by the exit and had a lot of ash on it.

I have to stop and get a couple fittings so that is as far as i can go tonight.
 

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Put the system back together today with the new combustion air sleeve. Used copper RTV on the joints between burner tube and burner. Then put the doorknob stack back in, moving the doorknob about 1" further into the tube. Then set to moving the electrodes to the new spot, and had a lot of trouble finding a happy spot for them. I'd get an initial spark, then it would drop and just blow oil down the tube. While playing around with it, i stuck my head down close to the burner to look into the tube.
Clearly i was not thinking about what i was doing. I got a little too close.

***ZAP****

I got close enough to the exposed ignition transformer for a spark to jump the gap to my neck. Knocked me clean off my feet onto my ***. VERY good thing i was wearing insulated shoes, and not touching anything grounded, or my widow would be informing you all of my demise in this thread. Whoo. Close call folks.

After i cleaned my shorts, i got back into it and found that the shock must have jumped to the Honeywell oil controller because that is now dead. I might have another, need to rummage around. In the meantime, i jumped it and played with electrodes till i got to a spot they like and it starts well now, and burns extremely well.

I went inside and turned on the combustion air blower, and then back out to view. Found a couple of big differences.

1. NO SMOKE Anywhere. Not in the chimney, not in the shop, nowhere.
2. The flame coming out of the burner tube used to be a lazy thing, that would blow everywhere in the boiler when i lifted the door. Not anymore. Solid column of fire, that does a 90 degree turn and straight up into the boiler.
3. NO hot spot in the burner tube. You can even put your hand on the sleeve its so cool. BIG safety improvement. Another whole level really.
4. No leaks. None. The burner is staying dryer, and it's blowing the oil downstream further. I have noticed some buildup near the entrance to the burner tube. Not sure if that will be an issue down the road or not.

It's been burning for an hour now, the boiler temp is ~105F, the storage tank is ~95F, and it's just humming along.

Once i get everything up to about a 100, i'll turn on the floor and dump some heat into it for the evening. I still need to man the burner until that's fixed, but it's such a quantum leap above what it was, i think i'm in the home stretch. At least for motor oil. Veg oil is a whole other story we'll tackle later.

Some photos for your viewing pleasure.
 

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Kev, yes, used motor oil and used veg oil. I have both. The shop is ~2500ft2. 40x64x14. Eventually i will be adding more shop on the backside for a woodshop, that would be in floor also.
 
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Thank you. Up to 54 in the shop, shut the burner off to check buildup. I think the central stainless tube might be fostering buildup. I'm going to pull it out once it cools off and clean and try again. I'm starting to think a very large diameter burn tube is important to allow plenty of room for ash collection.
 
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Indeed. But the worst thing today by far, was my daughter has covid, i sent several amazon packages to her to help, 2 of them were stolen from her porch WHILE THEY WERE THERE. I could spit nails right now.
 
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At the current rate of ash buildup, i'm going to need to clean the burner about every 10-15 hrs of burn time if i want it to keep working well. I might need to look at increasing combustion air or move to more veg oil. I hear that's got a lot less ash. Shop feels nice though. It's sleeting/snowing out.
 

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Good progress. In the current configuration, how long does it take to clean the ash out? How much of a pain is it to do?
 
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Lol. Nothing but problems today. First i ran it for a while, dumped some heat into the slab, then it went out and i found water in the tank again. Drained that out, still doesn't want to run. Played with it for a while, then got it going. Boiler was chuffing pretty good, but it was still making heat. Might need to add the stainless inner pipe back. I went out to feed the horses with the wife, came back and it was barely running. I could see the oil flow was down to a trickle. I probably need to clean the inlet screen on the oil pump. I did that a couple of years ago. Might need to add a filter to it. Right now, it just comes out of the tank and straight into the pump. There really isn't any filtration on the system, just the inlet screen on the pump. Whatever crusties make it into the preheat tank build up i guess. But when i pulled it apart preseason, there wasn't much in there. So i think my duty cycle logic on the heater element works ok. It's probably plugged up from last year.

I also got all the parts cut out for the namco muffler. Hopefully i can get the boiler running Monday night and weld the muffler up Tues. Once that's done, the Namco can come in the shop.
 
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I'm trying. I would really like to get the shop cleaned up this year. And get the new boiler made and installed too, but that might be a big ask. We shall see.
 
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Damn. Glad your shunt resistance was high enough not to over-current your organic logic processor or synchronous blood pump. High voltage and flames do make for interesting times. Good luck with filtration, and hope your daughter gets better soon.
 
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Tore the oil pump apart tonight and confirmed it's completely plugged with crusties. Easy fix, but messy. I will probably look for an external mesh filter that i can clean easier.
 

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Not sure how much flow you need, but I just bought a Lenz waste oil filter housing (used) and new filter from an ebay seller, about $80 shipped and they have lots of them. It is a nice rugged aluminum housing and essentially used for exactly what you are doing. I also put a stainless mess strainer on the end of my pickup tube in the used oil.
 
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I found a nice strainer on mcmaster, about 40 dollars, 1/4 line is plenty. has a variety of mesh filters available and a bottom drop down door. I'm not going to install one until the burner moves up onto the bathroom though, because i don't have enough room for it where its all sitting right now.
I just suffered a new failure. The burner was burning nice and hot this morning after the new oil cleaning and right before lunch i noticed it was out. i ran out to the shop and found the doorknob had fallen off the mount. With moving the thing closer to the burner tube, it's just too hot for regular plumbing solder, so i have some silver solder on the way. We're down for a couple days while i wait on amazon. Mcmaster prices on silver solder are stupid.

I also really don't like running without an oil eye safety. That thing could have run for days without firing they way it was rigged up. The new one is supposed to be here end of the week.
 
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Got the muffler for the Namco done tonight. Had to run to town and get more steel wool but got it done.

Proof:
 

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In other news, the stuff to braze up the doorknob is going to be 2 days late. Amazon just dropped the ball on it. Lot of tomorrow is going to be travel. Going to Saginaw to get some stuff from a friend.
 
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Finally found my sawzall and got the brake pedal out. Had to cut the bolt as everything was rusted up. Now i can get the fuel tank in and the muffler and it can get moved into the shop.
 
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And.... the fuel tank and muffler are in. It's officially now ready to come into the shop permanently. Of course, not without some issues. I put the fuel tank in no problem with the brake pedal out of the way, but found the muffler hit the hydraulic tank drain plug. The drain plug doesn't even need to be right there. It just is. It could have been a couple inches to the rear and nothing would be impacted. But it wasn't so i had to NOTCH the muffler. I whacked the corner out with the angle grinder, cut a hunk of angle iron to fit, and tigged it in. NOW it fits. It's super slick out from all the rain yesterday, so i'll probably have to wait until it firms up a bit. In the meantime, i will clean up the shop and make a hole for the namco.
 

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Did you work on the crankshaft yet?

Anything to push to the point of having this little beast up and running....
 
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That's what i'm hoping. Clean a bunch of floor space up, then bring another mast in and swap over the winter. Among other car projects and a boiler.
 
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