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86turbodsl

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Negative. The floor tubing makes putting holes in the floor a pain unless it really really is necessary. Pallet racking i'm not thinking is necessary. Storage engineers will probably disagree on that, but i'm not whacking things with the forklift. Where that makes a lot of sense is when you have pallet racking aisles in the open and forklifts running around between. Joe idiot backs into one and the whole thing tumbles. With it all on the outside walls, i'm never in danger of that.

The back pain is ok, manageable unless i'm in the car for about an hour (the length of work drive) at which point i need an hour to get the kinks back out. As long as i'm moving around every half hour or so at work, i am fine. Sitting for a long period is tough.
 
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Ok, we got the pallet racking up this afternoon, and i just finished cutting in all the rack grates. So i have 2 shelves ready to load. I think i'm going to paint to the top before i load though, this will be the easiest time to do so. I can load right after that. Pics for your pleasure.20220709_110134.jpg20220709_142159.jpg20220709_175952.jpg
 
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Now instead of working on the shop, i'm "working" at work at home. Ugh. The price of salaried... Hoping to get something done today yet...
 
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I'm really thinking, quite seriously, about doing the namco mast swap sooner rather than later. The amount of stuff that could come off the floor would be pretty stunning i think.
 
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How high can the Namco lift in it's current state? Can you put a level of pallet racking that is just at that limit?
The mast swap seems like something that should wait until winter time. You have it useable right now, focus on using it within it's limits for now.
What I do with my forklift that has a 10' reach is to put the tall awkward items on the top pallet racking, that way I still maximize the vertical storage, but do it within the limits of my forklift.
You could also make a double layer pallet with 2x wood, and stack both levels full of stuff, then lift it up as one unit.
How's your vehicle situation? Seems like some more effort there would pay dividends in the long haul much more than a taller mast on the Namco.
It's great to see pictures of the pallet racking in place and stuff starting to go on it. Keep at it!
 
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A little over 8' right now. With the pallet racking being first shelf around 7', i get one shelf per section currently. And i'm about out of places to put new rack.
 
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It is a tough situation, once you pull it apart, it is useless until it is done, so you have to finish it in short order for it to be useful again. Honestly, you might think about temporarily making lower shelves, one at four feet, one at max lift, then you can get everything off the floor and have space to work on the Namco without being as crunched for time.
 
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If i do that, i have to figure out where to put all the machine tools that normally will go under the 7' shelf. It's a conundrum.
I am not sure how quick i can get it done either, really need it off and the two masts side by side to see. One plus is the new namco mast was fully functional before yanked. No issues.
 
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Do you have any access to 3D modeling software? Barring that, I would suggest mocking up some cardboard templates and trying to finalize a design. Do you have any brackets or fabrication of metal pieces? If so, what is your plan for that? i.e. home torching/plasma or out-sourcing? If out sourcing, what is the turnaround time for that?
Hydraulic cylinders and hose status. Will all the fittings connect? Will you need any adapters? if so, how hard are they to get? Source locally or order online?

Basically, I would recommend really detailing out your steps to get this working. Have a plan, work the plan. Write it out on paper with pencil or pen. (it's been shown to be beneficial to hand write things...but even a notes program in your phone is better than no plan) It won't always go to plan, but it helps to think through the what-ifs. Then they are somewhat less of a surprise.

While that plan is developing, what is it going to take to get your daily driver vehicles in working order? Are you still tied to the motorcycle? No offence, but plan one should be to protect your revenue stream--i.e. being able to get to your day job when necessary. (Is the son's truck usable that you could drive that as a portion of your payback?)

Regardless -- Great progress! We like to see that and hope that continues!!

As an aside question, is your son back to work or is that layoff still in effect?
 
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Strouty said:
It is a tough situation, once you pull it apart, it is useless until it is done, so you have to finish it in short order for it to be useful again. Honestly, you might think about temporarily making lower shelves, one at four feet, one at max lift, then you can get everything off the floor and have space to work on the Namco without being as crunched for time.
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I think this is a great idea!
This gets all that stuff off the floor, clearing space, then you could tape out an area to simulate the space, and put the machines in that area. Gets them out of the way, as I'm assuming they're probably not in a good position right now, and checks if they will truly fit where you want them.
It is very easy to move stuff up to different levels on the pallet racking later, and I think you get much more benefit of having it on the racking vs currently on the floor.

And as bimmer1980 said, plan out that swap before turning a single wrench on it. Write it down, it truly does work!
 
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bimmer1980 said:
Do you have any access to 3D modeling software? Barring that, I would suggest mocking up some cardboard templates and trying to finalize a design. Do you have any brackets or fabrication of metal pieces? If so, what is your plan for that? i.e. home torching/plasma or out-sourcing? If out sourcing, what is the turnaround time for that?
Hydraulic cylinders and hose status. Will all the fittings connect? Will you need any adapters? if so, how hard are they to get? Source locally or order online?

Basically, I would recommend really detailing out your steps to get this working. Have a plan, work the plan. Write it out on paper with pencil or pen. (it's been shown to be beneficial to hand write things...but even a notes program in your phone is better than no plan) It won't always go to plan, but it helps to think through the what-ifs. Then they are somewhat less of a surprise.

While that plan is developing, what is it going to take to get your daily driver vehicles in working order? Are you still tied to the motorcycle? No offence, but plan one should be to protect your revenue stream--i.e. being able to get to your day job when necessary. (Is the son's truck usable that you could drive that as a portion of your payback?)

Regardless -- Great progress! We like to see that and hope that continues!!

As an aside question, is your son back to work or is that layoff still in effect?
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Lol. I drive CAD for a living. I literally am the only design engineer in the department. I get everything made too. FAB is NOT a problem.
I think based on the design of the namco mount ears, i'd design and have them lasered so there's no kerf. I need the old one off so the new mounts can be designed. The mounts are hidden by the installation. I'm going by the pic in the service manual. Fittings are a non-issue i think.
I have 2 vehicles up and running, parts are en-route for the truck, #3 will be daughter's Audi, i'm about 1 evening away moving things from having that on the lift, it's a 1 night job. The kid's truck is yard drivable, needs exhaust finished, it sounds like NASCAR time. He started work back up today. I probably should have all vehicles operational within the next 1-2 weeks, possible exception of the kids' truck, unknown how difficult the exhaust build will be. I also have to develop a process for the exhaust build. I haven't built an exhaust in this shop yet. Last one was at dad's shop years ago. But i have way more tools here than i did there, so maybe not a huge deal. I also think in 3d, so i can see pathways pretty easy.

The bike is no longer an option for work travel, at least until i can use it more sparingly. Roads are just too rough getting there.
 
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kent_323is said:
I think this is a great idea!
This gets all that stuff off the floor, clearing space, then you could tape out an area to simulate the space, and put the machines in that area. Gets them out of the way, as I'm assuming they're probably not in a good position right now, and checks if they will truly fit where you want them.
It is very easy to move stuff up to different levels on the pallet racking later, and I think you get much more benefit of having it on the racking vs currently on the floor.

And as bimmer1980 said, plan out that swap before turning a single wrench on it. Write it down, it truly does work!
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I could put up 2 more shelves using this idea. Not 4-5 as you'd hope. So that's 4 more pallets of stuff. What would help a bunch is finishing the mezzanine and getting the bikes all up there. I'll have to move some more **** around tonight and see what things look like. That might give me a better idea of what i can acheive.
 
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As a temporary solution, the machine tools could go in front of the racking, if you put them on pallets you could move them with a pallet jack. There is no good solution, only livable temporary ones. I currently have a similar situation, except my racks are full of other racks and the stuff in front of them is racking too, then I put the stuff wherever I can for now. Hopefully I can get some of my racking assembled, seeing yours up makes me hopeful. ;)
 
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Probably my biggest issue right now, is all the fragile S4 interior stuff sitting around. I really need to build / buy a pallet container to put it all in, but i can't get at teh building materials in the back of the shop, and they don't show up on marketplace often. And with the narrow pallet racking, really needs to be custom anyway. I'll end up with a lot of custom pallets for that racking.
 
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Lol. That's not going to happen. I bring one more big item home to sit in the yard, i better be getting rid of something same day... WAF is pretty low on yard art.
 
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Park a couple 30 feet apart, add siding and trusses..... instant bus barn, if you kept the siding off the ground you could even tell the code enforcement officer it was temporary and mobile.......
 
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Park a couple 30 feet apart, add siding and trusses..... instant bus barn, if you kept the siding off the ground you could even tell the code enforcement officer it was temporary and mobile.......
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Sounds like the diesel creek "shed". Also a non-starter.
 
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Lol. I drive CAD for a living. I literally am the only design engineer in the department. I get everything made too. FAB is NOT a problem.
I think based on the design of the namco mount ears, i'd design and have them lasered so there's no kerf. I need the old one off so the new mounts can be designed. The mounts are hidden by the installation. I'm going by the pic in the service manual. Fittings are a non-issue i think.
I have 2 vehicles up and running, parts are en-route for the truck, #3 will be daughter's Audi, i'm about 1 evening away moving things from having that on the lift, it's a 1 night job. The kid's truck is yard drivable, needs exhaust finished, it sounds like NASCAR time. He started work back up today. I probably should have all vehicles operational within the next 1-2 weeks, possible exception of the kids' truck, unknown how difficult the exhaust build will be. I also have to develop a process for the exhaust build. I haven't built an exhaust in this shop yet. Last one was at dad's shop years ago. But i have way more tools here than i did there, so maybe not a huge deal. I also think in 3d, so i can see pathways pretty easy.

The bike is no longer an option for work travel, at least until i can use it more sparingly. Roads are just too rough getting there.
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Make your kid take his truck to an exhaust shop and pay for the exhaust himself.
 
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I bought mandrel bends from woolf automation. They are the goto place in metro detroit.
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Pre-made bends like that are nice. You can make a good looking install that flows well. Post up some details when you do it. It's been hot as hell here so I have been doing inside stuff. Thirty straight days of over 100 degrees
 
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Ok, i'll post some build pics as i go. I cleared more floor last night, threw some stuff outside that won't care about it, and we're about there for pulling cars in. Just need to find a temp home for the A/C condensor and i should be ready to start.20220712_204045.jpg20220712_204051.jpg
 
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bimmer1980 said:
Are you happy with your battery cable crimper that you bought on Amazon? I see that it is on sale today for Prime day. I was thinking about buying one....

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@bimmer1980 I'll throw my 2 cents in, I have the same one, it really does work well but when you crimp sometimes the metal gets stuck in between the two die halves and causes it to form a flat spot, that is a pain to have to work around but can be done it just takes a few more stabs to get it right. Otherwise I've used the heck out of it and haven't had any issues, for the price I'd buy it.
 
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Well, that was fun. We just had a supercell blow through here. I opened the shop door this morning to air it out. Left open through lunch. About 2pm, it started getting dark. I didn't think anything of it, there wasn't much showing on radar. THEN, i looked out the window to see it raining HARD. A little concerned, i stepped out of the house onto the porch. It ramped up, and we started getting hail. Rain pouring off the roof in sheets. THEN, the wind kicked up. My shop door was open and it is a sail. I got a chill up my spine. It just kept ramping up. Too much coming down to run to the shop and close the door. I kept waiting for the door to fly off. Prayers answered, she held. I guess i am a competent welder after all. Whew. Ran out there after it let up a bit and closed door. The rain went into the shop 20 ft PAST the open door. And that's a good 10-15 ft OUT from the door opening. Close call folks.
 
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