8ft led fixtures

[racer989]

What do you all think of these 8 foot light fixtures by Lithonia lighting? http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia...-Light-MNSL-L96-2LL-MVOLT-40K-80CRI/300263606
I have a 36 x48 shop with 10 foot ceilings, was thinking about putting 8 of these up to replace the 8ft t12 ho fixtures I currently have that are starting to go out. My other option was to get 8ft t8 fixtures with 4 bulbs and put the led bulbs in. Would like everyones opinion.

 

[Richard Cranium]

They are not cheep, But I would not get the 4 bulb 8 footers and then retrofit them. Seams like a waste of time.

 

[Bert_]

They look OK. A good option for a shop with lowish ceilings.

To get the same light output as your current F96T12HO strips you WILL need more of these LED fixtures
Each of your T12 lamps puts out around 8000 lumens, you have 2 lamps per fixture. The led fixture puts out 8200 lumens total.

I tend to like these old fluorescents. If all yours need are new lamps I would seriously consider that before replacing the whole fixture. It would take a long time to recoup the cost of new fixtures.

Light output is comparable to and power consumption is about 20 watts less than a 4 lamp t8 fixture with standard .89 BF ballast.
Lifespan is listed at 60,000hrs @80% lumen maintenance.

 

[kd3pc]

if you don't mind lots of RF noise they are OK.

 

[cybrdyke]

Hey Racer, although you can still find new old stock, your T12HO's were banned by the gubmint a few years ago. The energy savings version was, too. And so were the magnetic ballasts. So, as am sure you know, your fixtures are dinosaurs. The light produced by those lamps is pretty low-quality compared to the high CRI fixtures of today.
At 4800 hours, your fixtures are only producing a little over 7500 lumens and they are on a steep decline from there. At 12,000 hours, 50% of your lamps are dead. By comparison, the LED Lithonia delivers 8000 lumens of high quality 80CRI light. At 80,000 hours, it is only 20% dimmer (6400 lumens) than the day you install them with no failures. You'd have to change your old lamps 6 times in that time frame.
All the while, you're saving over 50% energy.
There's lots of options in LED fixtures. If the 8' chassis is something you like, then Lithonia makes a decent product and backs it up with a good warrantyl
Good luck
CD

 

[Bert_]

Hey Racer, although you can still find new old stock, your T12HO's were banned by the gubmint a few years ago. The energy savings version was, too.

Although the selection has thinned some. There are still many T12's of all sizes still in production.

I would assume his fixtures are 2 lamp, each lamp produces 8000 lumens, so ~16000 lumens per fixture.

If you have your lights on for 12hrs a day 5 days a week then the LED's would probably pay for themselves in a short amount of time.
If the lights are just on for an hour a day and several on weekends it could take 25+ years
-----------I didn't do any math so the above is just an estimate-----------

I'm not bashing the LED lights. Just be aware you need more of these LED fixtures to get the same amount of light, so the savings may not be what you think.

 

[Falcon67]

You could buy the $40 T8 units and buy two packs of LED 4' bulbs at Sams for $19.95. Oops, then same price LOL. I'd rather have the T8 fixtures (which I do have) with 5000 or 6500K T8 bulbs. Cheaper, lots of light. I think the T8 replacement stuff has a way to go yet.

We're looking at a new race trailer and can get 24" by 5 row LED panels on the outside (instead of big ugly halogen) and them suns-a-******* are like the sun coming up. Maybe somebody needs to re-think the LED "shop light".

 

[pattenp]

Hey Racer, although you can still find new old stock, your T12HO's were banned by the gubmint a few years ago. CD

Are you sure about that? I would have sworn that the T12HO was exempt and still being made. Also they now make electronic ballast for the T12HO's.

 

[Falcon67]

Looks like plenty for sale
https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/t12-high-output-linear-fluorescent-tubes/

Plenty of regular old T12s too
https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/t12-bi-pin-linear-fluorescent-tubes/

Plenty of T12 ballasts too - " Magnetic Fluorescent"
https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/f14t12-fluorescent-ballasts/

 

[peterhall]

I installed these in a few fixtures that the ballast went out and really liked them.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SUMEJRA/?tag=atomicindus08-20

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[Falcon67]

Dayum, that's $25+/bulb. I figure the ROI as "never"

 

[pattenp]

Looks like plenty for sale
https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/t12-high-output-linear-fluorescent-tubes/

Plenty of regular old T12s too
https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/t12-bi-pin-linear-fluorescent-tubes/

Plenty of T12 ballasts too - " Magnetic Fluorescent"
https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/f14t12-fluorescent-ballasts/

They must be dumping those F96T12HO's because less than $3 a lamp is cheap. I thought that Sylvania came out with a new F96T12HO lamp that met the DOE requirements. Those lamps at 1000bulbs are very low CRI so they have to be existing stock of now banned lamps.

 

[cybrdyke]

Guys,
The law was passed in 2009 and the lamp ban for 4', 8' , and T12HO went into effect in 2012. Here's an excerpt: Effective July 14, 2012, linear T12, T8 and T5, and U-bend lamps must meet 2009 DOE regulations. 2-foot U-shaped, 4-foot and 8-foot lamps must meet minimum initial lumens per watt (LPW) requirements. Lamps above 4500K have a slightly lower standard.

As I said, you can find some new old stock on internet sites and in dusty backrooms of supply houses, but these lamps are not allowed to be manufactured or imported.

Although the selection has thinned some. There are still many T12's of all sizes still in production.

Not in 4 foot or 8 foot full lumen lamps. Cant be made or imported. The only T12's that can be made are short lamps, reduced lumen lamps (to get an exemption), or specialty lamps.

Are you sure about that? I would have sworn that the T12HO was exempt and still being made. Also they now make electronic ballast for the T12HO's.

Hey Pattenp, there were a couple of exemptions made for cold weather T12HO because there no viable products to replace them. Tons of these get used outside and in signs, so they needed to be exempt from the legislation.
Another exemption was for 6500k (daylight) T12HO tubes because, again, there was no viable replacement. These get used in inspection areas in factories, like steel and auto plants.
These T12HO products can still be found, but aren't very popular anymore.
And yes, there's an electronic ballast available.

Looks like plenty for sale
https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/t12-high-output-linear-fluorescent-tubes/
the selection referred to here is not standard T12HO product. It's either cold weather or 6500k, which were exempt from the legislation.
Plenty of regular old T12s too
https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/t12-bi-pin-linear-fluorescent-tubes/
These are not the T12 tubes that you think they are. Look at the lumens from the F40T12. It's only 2200 lumens. A REAL F40T12 was 3280 lumens. Because they dropped the lumens so low on this lamp, its exempt....and also a complete ripoff.
Plenty of T12 ballasts too - " Magnetic Fluorescent"
https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/f14t12-fluorescent-ballasts/
the selection of ballasts here are for 2'or less lamps, not for 4', 8', or T12HO lamps. The magnetic ballasts for these lamps are not allowed to be made or imported.

They must be dumping those F96T12HO's because less than $3 a lamp is cheap. I thought that Sylvania came out with a new F96T12HO lamp that met the DOE requirements. Those lamps at 1000bulbs are very low CRI so they have to be existing stock of now banned lamps.

They're dumping them because sales are so low, they're not worth carrying anymore. There's so many products now that are better, that no one wants to fool around with these anymore.

And to the OP, sorry for the derailing of this thread. Just trying to clear up some confusion.
CD

 

[EOC_Jason]

I have those regular quad T8 fixtures in my garage (8' long / 4 bulb). I went with them from HD because they were reasonably priced and my neighbor had a TON of T8 bulbs that he bought for a couple bucks from a place that closed down.

If I didn't get the bulbs for free I probably would have considered the LED route more as a better long term solution.

 

[reader2580]

Dayum, that's $25+/bulb. I figure the ROI as "never"

Not everything is purchased based on ROI. The person posting this needed a new ballast anyhow and those are not cheap unless you find someone getting rid of them in decent shape.

You can get LED bypass tubes a fair bit cheaper than $25 each. Home Depot carries TOGGLED brand for $20 each. Online for even less.

 

[DTE]

There is a electric supply house I have bought from ( City electric ) they sell a empty eight ft can and four LED tubes for $88.00 with tax. I don't know the brand.

 

[Bert_]

Guys,
The law was passed in 2009 and the lamp ban for 4', 8' , and T12HO went into effect in 2012. Here's an excerpt: Effective July 14, 2012, linear T12, T8 and T5, and U-bend lamps must meet 2009 DOE regulations. 2-foot U-shaped, 4-foot and 8-foot lamps must meet minimum initial lumens per watt (LPW) requirements. Lamps above 4500K have a slightly lower standard.

As I said, you can find some new old stock on internet sites and in dusty backrooms of supply houses, but these lamps are not allowed to be manufactured or imported.


Not in 4 foot or 8 foot full lumen lamps. Cant be made or imported. The only T12's that can be made are short lamps, reduced lumen lamps (to get an exemption), or specialty lamps.


Hey Pattenp, there were a couple of exemptions made for cold weather T12HO because there no viable products to replace them. Tons of these get used outside and in signs, so they needed to be exempt from the legislation.
Another exemption was for 6500k (daylight) T12HO tubes because, again, there was no viable replacement. These get used in inspection areas in factories, like steel and auto plants.
These T12HO products can still be found, but aren't very popular anymore.
And yes, there's an electronic ballast available.




They're dumping them because sales are so low, they're not worth carrying anymore. There's so many products now that are better, that no one wants to fool around with these anymore.

And to the OP, sorry for the derailing of this thread. Just trying to clear up some confusion.
CD

Sylvania (and I'm sure other brands do to) makes some good F40's & F96's. They are tri-phosphor, 90 cri and are like 3000 lumens for the F40's and 6000 for the F96t12 (75w). I believe the part numbers end with the suffix /941 for the cool white versions. I have some and I really like them

I was doing some reading about some LED strips similar to the ones linked in the beginning of this thread but higher output. They would make a good replacement for your HO strips, I think they were 14,000 lumen. I can't seem to find them now but they are out there, if I find them again I will update this.

 

[EOC_Jason]

Oh, FYI... If you need ballasts, Robertson Electric sells them on Amazon for most kinds of T12 & T8 ballasts. It's easier to go on their website and find the kind you want then search for the model numbers. We would buy them by the 6/10/12 pack or whatever they sell because there was always one going out at my dad's office park.

 

[Specracer]

I have done this on a couple fixtures so far, as they have failed. I'll never change another ballast. Very happy with the result.

I installed these in a few fixtures that the ballast went out and really liked them.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SUMEJRA/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[skipnay]

I have run into replacing ballast for my 2 bulb 8' T12HO bulbs that are 6500k. I been thinking about going with LED or other bulbs but just can't justify it yet. I went through ballast like crazy. For some reason. My bulbs are also the cold weather bulbs even though it never gets below 40 degrees in the garage. Now since the new ballast I haven't had the trouble and haven't replaced any of the new ballast. Kinda hard to pay for ballast and bulbs. Might replace then but like I said since replaced the old ballast as no good to the newer ballast I haven't had trouble. Our garage as been up for 7 years now.

 

[NUTTSGT]

What do you all think of these 8 foot light fixtures by Lithonia lighting? http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia...-Light-MNSL-L96-2LL-MVOLT-40K-80CRI/300263606
I have a 36 x48 shop with 10 foot ceilings, was thinking about putting 8 of these up to replace the 8ft t12 ho fixtures I currently have that are starting to go out. My other option was to get 8ft t8 fixtures with 4 bulbs and put the led bulbs in. Would like everyones opinion.

I have the latter, your second option with LEDs. They have worked fine for me. They are Lithonia from HD.

They are not cheep, But I would not get the 4 bulb 8 footers and then retrofit them. Seams like a waste of time.

I didn't need to retrofit mine, just a bulb swap. I picked up the Sylvania contractor 10 pack at Menard's for about $55.

 

[M-technik-3]

I have 2 8 ft's in my garage right now and I think I will just wait till they burn out, the cost of replacing them or retrofitting will not offset the amount of time I have them running.

I figure in a year or two the price will have come down on them drastically like they did with the 4 footers.

 

[PsRumors]

I bought these and am very happy with the light

https://www.eledlights.com/t8-8foot-led-tube-high-lumen.html#descjump

I had 8' T12s and every year as soon as it turned cold I was changing either bulbs or a ballast or two. Removed the ballast and boom, I have light.

 

[skipnay]

I was thinking about these.... LED LIGHTS Though the price at $50 plus a piece would be over $1,000.00 for me. These are also 6600 lumens.

 

[sideways]

How do you avoid the "noise"? I was planning on installing 12 of the $40 8ft t8 (quad) fixtures that Lowes carries. It seems easier to simply drive to the store and pick them up. I'm purchasing them in DE so I save on sales tax. My shop is 30x50 with 10ft ceilings and is just for "hobby" stuff - not commercial and, I plan to continue spending about 15 hours per week in there. So, I don't want to spend a fortune, but at the same time I don't want to be continually irritated by "noise", flickering, etc. and I do enjoy listening to my radio while I'm in there. Is there a reasonable solution here? Or, if I want to save money...is the nose, flickering and poor radio the price I have to pay? I realize there may not be a "one size fits all" answer here...just wondering what the recommendations would be - given this scenario...