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A different kind of "barn saving"

jwith68

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This may not qualify as a garage in the strictest sense, but I'm going to show off this project a bit anyway. I've been following rieferman's "barn saving" thread and have enjoyed seeing the nice job he has done making an old barn into a useful workshop, garage, exercise room, etc. I'm doing the same type of thing here, but making an old barn built for loose hay and square bales into a barn useful for round bale storage, a cattle shed, and equipment/general storage.

My wife and I bought the family farm on my mom's side of the family from my grandmother in 1997, with the stipulation that she remain living here for as long as she was able to. She reached a point in 2002 (due to Alzheimer's disease and at the age of 92) that she had to go to a nursing home. We moved here that fall, and I have been working on the place ever since. This barn was the larger of 2 barns relatively near the house. This one is about 125 yards SW of the house. It was built by my great-grandfather in 1924 or 1925. It is a classic style of barn for this area, with a hip roof, full hayloft, a center feedway on the ground level, and stall space on either side. It is 30' x 40' x 15'-6" at the eaves.

Like most, it was built when loose hay was put up, but was later successfully used for square bales, when they came along in the early '50's or so. They are basically useless, though, for round bales. I thought for quite a while about what to do for extra equipment storage, and eventually round bale storage, and a better facility for cattle. Since this barn was in a good location, and structurally sound, I decided it could be all 3 with some work.

We began in summer 2007. The first step was to take off a lean-to shed put on the south end years ago. It was only 12' x 30', and only had a 8'-6" high door. We then built lean-to's around the east, south, and west sides, "hipped" at the corners. They were attached as high as possible, and used 20' 2x10's as rafters, so they extended out just over 19' with the ~2.5 pitch roof that we used. This increased the overall foot print of the barn to ~59' x 68'.

The east side will be the "cattle" side, so one bay was walled off, and the openings of the other bays were walled down to 9' clearance. A solid wall was extended south from the SE corner of the original barn to the new lean-to south wall, dividing the 19' x 59' cattle side from the rest of the lean-to's. The rest of the south side and the entire west side form an "L" shaped equipment storage area. They are fully enclosed, with a single sliding door on the south side, and a sliding door for each of four ~15' bays on the west side.

The next major step was started this summer - converting the original barn into a round bale barn. This involved replacing an entire end wall with large doors and removing the entire loft floor This is what the north end looked like when we started.
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Since the loft floor structure and bracing adds a lot of stability to the structure of these old barns, we needed to add in substantial bracing to take it's place. We added 2x6 braces from the upper walls to the rafters every 4', and braced them into the top wall plate and the rafter tails. We also added collar ties that should have been there from when it was originally built. This photo is out of sequence, but it shows the added bracing and collar ties.
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The next step was to span the entire north gable end at the bottom with a 1.75" x 14" x 30' LVL beam. It was lagged to the double plate and every stud in the gable end. The LVL rested on the original side wall double top plates, and on full height treated 6x6's we added lagged into the wall at each corner. Angle braces were put in from the side wall top plates to the LVL at about 12' out from each side to stablize the bottom edge of the gable from in-out movement. This is another out of sequence photo that shows the work on the inside of the north gable.
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Once that work was done, we could start on the outside and doors. Since all the lean-to's were covered in new metal, I decided to recover the entire north end. We rented a Bil-Jax man lift for a weekend, and pulled all the old metal off. An in-progress photo:
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I elected to keep the original roof overhang on the north end, including the little prow out over the area the original loose hay fork had come out years ago. We built new 2x4 frames and nailed/screwed them in place where the original roof purlins just extended out over the wall. There were old 1x fascia boards on them, but they were in sad shape. All this got wrapped with new metal, new 2x4 purlins were put on the gable end, and the whole thing was covered with new metal. We also used 2 panels of matching pattern polycarbonate to let some natural light in. Double door tracks and track cover was installed at the bottom. We then added in another 6x6 in the center, not so much for support, but the doors needed something to close to in the center. My FIL and I fabbed up door frames out of 1.5" x 2" steel tube, with 1.5" x 3" top bars. Here's the finished gable end with the center post, and the bare door frames hanging there. As you can see, the entire loft structure is still there.
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The new big (173" x 177") sliders were covered in the same galvanized 5-rib metal. Next step was a biggie - take out the loft. The wife and I made a deal with a friend of ours that does horseshoeing, blacksmithing, and beautiful rustic furniture from wrought iron and all kinds of wood (including old barn wood!) for some tables in exchange for most of the wood from the barn loft. He and another friend removed ~90% of it in one day - and I don't envy them. Me and and one other guy removed the rest of it so the inside could be finished, and it was a hard, dirty job.

I'll finish the rest of this tomorrow, wrap this up for this evening. One more preview pic, of the finished product. Yes, still a little pile of old lumber to clean up.
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I'll finish the rest of this tomorrow, wrap this up for this evening. One more preview pic, of the finished product. Yes, still a little pile of old lumber to clean up.

Man I hate Cliffhangers. :lol_hitti

Looking forward to the rest of the pics
 
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OK, to continue... Once the doors were covered and the loft was removed, we added in some final bracing, vertically on the walls. Not sure these were necessary, but better safe. We used 2"x3"x16', 11ga steel tube with 4" long tabs of 2" angle iron welded to it lining up with the bottom, middle, and top plates of the walls. These were located every 10' around the walls, and lagged into the plates with four 1/2" lag bolts. The idea is to keep the walls from being able to "hinge" apart at the middle plate (where the loft floor was attached in) if a round bale(s) got out against them. The cables you see running across were put in 25+ years ago, because the roof was trying to spread the top of the walls out. I think we could have removed them, but elected to leave them for now - they are 15'-4" above the floor, so not terribly in the way. We also installed anchors through the sill plates into the foundation. Like most of these old barns, it was just sitting on top the foundation. Guess they figured that 40 or 50 tons of hay would hold it down without hardware! This photo shows the vertical braces and some old, dry manure and hay residue in the west side stall area.
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At this time, about all that was left to do to the structure was put up 7/16" OSB around the lower walls. With that accomplished, time to get a floor put in. The original feedway down the middle was already concrete, and appears to be thick enough and solid enough, so we just left it in place, along with the concrete floor in a little 9' x 11' feed room back in the SE corner. The rest of the old manure was dug out of the west side stall area, and both sides were smoothed up. I had 3 tandem loads of brown creek gravel hauled in, and used that to build up a ramp on the outside, and to fill in both stall areas to within about 4 - 5" of the top of the foundation and feedway concrete. This was compacted in place with a plate compactor.
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Next came 2 tandem loads of what our local quarry calls "5/16 minus". I think it is just the fines out of the 3/4" and 1" clean rock they sell. Rock, tractor and loader, ready to go.
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Was a little wet when it was delivered, but he didn't get stuck.
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I ran the white rock in and spread it as evenly as I could as I went. Also did some hand shoveling and raking. Had to guess at the right amount to allow for compaction, but hit it pretty close. I did the east side first, compacted it once then went back and raked down the high spots, compact again, and repeat. After about 3 times, it was about as even as I was going to get it, and getting very solid. I was pretty happy with the results, so I did the same thing on the west side. Here are a couple shots of the finished floor.
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In total, the white rock was compacted about 6 times. It was pretty damp when delivered, and is just about as hard as concrete now.
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A few more outside shots of the finished barn. West side, with full wall of sliders for easy access.
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South side with slider open. Good spot for some pallet racking up against the divider wall.
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SE corner showing cattle shed side.
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Finally, another view of the north/front. There was better than half a tandem load of the white rock left after the floor was done, so I scraped back some of the creek gravel ramp, and built up a few inches of the white rock, tapering outward from the door. The remainder was spread over the rest of the creek gravel ramp. The whole thing was compacted several times, also making a nice, solid ramp. There will be more work in the future, but functional enough for now. Time to bring in some round bales!
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Nice save and reuse! Do you have plans to ventilate the hay area? I've seen those big bales start smoldering when stored inside.
 
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Nice save and reuse! Do you have plans to ventilate the hay area? I've seen those big bales start smoldering when stored inside.

Thanks, eborcim!

The hay area is reasonably well ventilated as it is. Those walk doors don't close too tight, there are gaps around the new sliders, and there are openings at the eaves. All hay (large round and small square bales, as well as grain, silage, mulch etc.) will heat when curing. Moisture level is the critical thing - the more moisture, the more heat. It is also time dependent, and will peak out within several days to a couple weeks after baling.

We typically don't get round bales hauled in for a few weeks at least, and always try to bale dry enough that heat is not a problem anyway. I think I have a link to a good online article on hay "heating" that I could dig up and post a link to, if you would like me to.
 
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