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Moisture and Epoxy are NOT friends. After you acid wash your garage floor, go ahead and wait a FULL day before coating it. Even though the floor 'looks' dry, if it has any moisture in it, this could cause bubbles in your epoxy or even peeling later on. If you see ANY 'darkness' in the floor that looks like moisture, then wait longer for it to dry... don't get in a hurry!

Get a pair of spiked shoes. Dropping $20-$30 on a pair of spiked shoes so that you can walk on the wet epoxy while you broadcast the chips is really worth the money.
 
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Don: Thanks for the info, but I think you didn't mean to put the double negative: "1. Manufacturer coverage rates are NOT INCORRECT. ", i.e. not correct or are incorrect.
 

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Good tips!

We try to get our clients as close as possible to the correct amount of material that's needed for the job, and seldom are we off much. We spec different amounts for 300 - 400 ft2; 401 - 500 ft2, etc. All of them have a 10% waste factored in, so as long as that's not exceeded, and the material is spread somewhat evenly, the finished system will be within specs.

By the way, this is all straight forward math. 1 Gallon of ANY paint (or even ANY liquid) will cover 1604 square feet at 1 mil thickness wet. That means, if you spread ONE gallon of water on a surface at 1 mil thick you would cover 1604 square feet. If you spread one gallon of paint at one mil on the same surface you will cover... 1604 square feet. What if you spread honey, Jack Daniels, Milk, or even urine at 1 mil thickness? You guessed it... 1604 square feet!

So if you're dealing with a 100% solids coating, and you know the recommended minimum dry film thickness and the square footage of the area to be coated, it's simple to determine the amount of material required.

For example, coating a 1,000 ft2 floor with LiquaTile. With LiquaTile 1184 to get the best value and performance for residential and small shop floors it needs to be applied at a depth of 12 mils thick. So for 1,000 ft2 you would need 1,000 * 12, or 12,000 mils. It’s impossible to use every last drop, or mil, in the can, so the industry standard is to add in a 10% – 15% waste factor, we use 10%, so 12,000 + 10% = 13,440.

As noted earlier a gallon of liquid, any liquid, will cover 1,604 ft2 to a depth of 1 mil, in other words a gallon has 1,604 mils in it. So your project needs 13,440 mils of LiquaTile 1184, 13,440/ 1,604 = 8.379 gallons required. The closest we have to that amount would be three 3 gallon kits, or 9 gallons. Without waste that would give you 14.436 mils/ft2; and minus 10% waste you should have 12.99 mils when fully cured.

About moisture... Different products will react differently here. Our primer, BondTite 1101, can actually be applied to concrete that's not "bone dry," we say it can go on "damp", but not "moist," concrete. That is no standing water, and you should see some parts of the floor lightening up. But depending on climate it can take longer to cure, but not much more than if it were bone dry.

Those marks can be tough to remove. I place a large piece of cardboard adjacent to the work area to step onto and remove spikes etc.

A few other tips...

-Only have the cans for the materials immediately required in the mixing area. If you're doing the primer coat, have only primer components out, stash the body and clear coat materials where they can't accidentally be opened and mixed.

-If you're coating underneath the garage door figure out in advance how to close the door without allowing it to close all the way and stick to the coating (on automatic doors I place Visegrips on the tracks to stop the door at a predetermined position).

-Practice broadcasting flakes beforehand. And remember that it's easy to apply more flakes, but if you put down too many you can't lift 'em up, so use small hand fulls.

-Have some MEK or denatured alcohol standing by in case of spills. MEK is stronger, but a bit nastier to work with. I usually opt for denatured alcohol.

-Thoroughly mixing the components is key!!!!

-After you've mixed the components, do not scrape out the mixing container in order to get the last drop, odds are there's a bit of unmixed material on the sides or bottom of the mixing container, if they get on the floor you will end up with spots that will be soft and never cure.

-Pay attention to any weather restrictions. If it says "Don't apply in *** weather," then do not apply in *** weather.

-Read the instructions, avoid short cuts, relax and take your time, and enjoy the process and the results!
 

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That math says I covered my floor with a little less than 3 mils, using a single gallon of two part epoxy paint to cover a 20x24 floor. After 12 years of constant use, it's all still good.
 

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That math says I covered my floor with a little less than 3 mils, using a single gallon of two part epoxy paint to cover a 20x24 floor. After 12 years of constant use, it's all still good.


I want to know what product you used please! :beer:
 

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I haven't epoxied before but what's the purpose of spiked shoes? I mean I understand its to walk on the wet epoxy but what I don't get is why do you need to walk on wet epoxy?

thanks.
 

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I haven't epoxied before but what's the purpose of spiked shoes? I mean I understand its to walk on the wet epoxy but what I don't get is why do you need to walk on wet epoxy?

thanks.

Large foot print size displacement will have a difficult time filling back in evenly.The spikes allow you to walk onto the wet epoxy, since you're only leaving small points that will easily be back filled by the epoxy.

If you're using flakes you need to broadcast them onto the still wet epoxy, depending on the size and shape of the area being coated that may require that you walk onto the still wet epoxy to reach the entire area.

The LiquaTile colored epoxy is extremely glossy after it's been applied and hit tack free, it looks like it's still wet. The EnduraShield 2254 clear coat is extremely clear and wet looking when it's applied over the tack free LiquaTile, so it's often difficult to see what area has been clear coated, and what areas haven't been cleared yet. Stepping back, as well as looking at the job from different angles, helps you see if there are any "holiday" spots that still need some clear coat - spikes allow you to walk around to do that.

If you aren't doing flakes, aren't using a clear coat, you might be fine w/o spike, but I'd still get them just in case.
 
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OK, so in my case I have an 18x20 floor where the expansion joints are evenly cut at 9x10 which means I have 4 sections at 9x10 to do. I'm using the water based Rustoleum Epoxy Coat with flakes and Epoxy Premium Clear. If I do the base epoxy and flakes for each 9x10 will I need to use spikes?

Great thread by the way. These tips certainly do help.

Kind regards.
 

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Living in a country with snow 5 months of the year how can one still have the epoxy finish but still not be slippery when walking in from outdoors with snow on your boots? BTW thanks for the info. Which reminds me I better get my azz outa hear and plow the driveway



Thanks
 
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Living in a country with snow 5 months of the year how can one still have the epoxy finish but still not be slippery when walking in from outdoors with snow on your boots?

You can add some "grit" to the clear coat. Even with the grit they're easy to clean. The best grit for those situations and most residential floors is a engineered polymer grit, small, hard, bits of plastic with rounded edges. The grit is no larger that table salt grains - ours is "SuperGrip 850" and a half pound can be used for 200 - 400 square feet.

If you have real nasty weather, lots of ice, slush etc., or a lot of oil spills you may want to opt for a more aggressive grit such as aluminum oxide. The downside is that the AO grit has sharp edges and it's more difficult to clean, but it really lowers the slip and fall potential.

You can also use a combo - AO for the high traffic areas, such as the path from the car to the door, and SuperGrip for the remainder of the floor.
 
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