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I think it's just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak.

The Titanic is going down. Unfortunately, there aren't enough lifeboats.
 

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I am miffed with Snap On anyway, given the crappy way they terminated my dealer, so they won't get any of my money any time soon. The front page of the Sunday St Louis Post Dispatch had a big article about crappy Chinese food imports, rotten fish with pesticides and illegals antibiotics in it, so perhaps imported tools are the least of our problems.
 

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Methinks they are full of it. That quote was dated 8 years ago, perhaps it's time they updated it before they get in deep with the FTC.
 

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Needless to say, this still remains on their website :rolleyes:

Yeah, I would be curious as to what their definition of "hand tool" is. This is like when Ford said the F150 had more hp/tq/etc., than any truck in it's class, and in incredibly small print in the magazines (none on the tv) they mentioned that it's "class" was vehicles with it's exact payload and under. In reality, 2 other half tons had more, but also had more payload.

John Deere pulled the same **** for years. They would remove the hydraulic pump, fan, water pump, EVERYTHING from their engines, and then rate their hp that way, while Steiger rated their tractors fully assembled and in normal configuration. As a result, a 325hp Steiger will run circles around a 400hp John Deere.
 

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Merkava will **** himself!!!!

Well, I don't consider wire brushes to be tools, but I'm still disappointed none-the-less. I don't buy the crimped Chinese wire brushes because they mash down in two seconds of use; I have to go to a gun shop to get my American made Kleanbore brand stainless steel wire brushes; they're quite excellent. :thumbup:
 

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Well, I don't consider wire brushes to be tools, but I'm still disappointed none-the-less. I don't buy the crimped Chinese wire brushes because they mash down in two seconds of use; I have to go to a gun shop to get my American made Kleanbore brand stainless steel wire brushes; they're quite excellent. :thumbup:

:lol_hitti:lol_hitti Making sure you are on your toes!!!!
 

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Never a bad time to go to the gun shop...I'm feeling the urge to buy a new implement or two there, just not sure what I want yet. My wife doesn't like the tool purchases much, but the guns drive her nuts. I buy USA-made firearms too as a rule, with the exception of CZ products.
 

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Well, I don't consider wire brushes to be tools, but I'm still disappointed none-the-less. I don't buy the crimped Chinese wire brushes because they mash down in two seconds of use; I have to go to a gun shop to get my American made Kleanbore brand stainless steel wire brushes; they're quite excellent. :thumbup:

So, if it's not a tool, what is it?

Is this like that whole Cheddar vs. Velveeta bit?

Cheese, vs. Processed Cheese Food?

Tool, vs. Tool-like Utility Implement?

It's a freakin' tool. Snap-On is just like everyone else - they'll cut whatever corner they can.
 

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Cadillac used to be the "Standard of the World", then they cheaped-out in the 70's and tried to broaden their market and pump up volume, started selling cars to rental fleets, etc. It took them 30 years to regain some of their stature. That management is willing to cheapen a brand that took 80 years to build a reputation is a quirk of American business...they look at profits for next quarter, they can't look long term. They'll kill the brand, but mgmt will get good bonuses for a year or 2.
 
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I have no issue with Canadian/German/French tools...even Spanish tools seem OK. What I refuse to do is pay huge money for tools of unknown quality. It irritates me when US companies wave the red white and blue then bring in merchandise from who knows where, where cheap labor put it together, and charge the same as they did when high-paid union members built it.
 

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I figured it would happen eventually, I dont mind buy European/Canadian/Spanish tools but I try to stay away from china they are one of the reasons gas prices are rising anyway so the less money you give them the less expansion and less gas consumption
 

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The company Snap~on has been importing tools for decades and selling them under the Blue Point brand. Importing tools is nothing new to Snap~on. The only difference is the label that they put on the package.

Don't fool yourself and think that Snap~on (the company) is or was some great altruistic/patriotic company that places American workers over profits.
 

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The company Snap~on has been importing tools for decades and selling them under the Blue Point brand. Importing tools is nothing new to Snap~on. The only difference is the label that they put on the package.

Don't fool yourself and think that Snap~on (the company) is or was some great altruistic/patriotic company that places American workers over profits.

I don't think there's a company out there that places the needs of the country or its people over a buck. I don't mind the imported stuff being sold as Blue Point for who knows how long but, I do hate to see non USA made tools labeled as Snap on but, that's just me. I'm old fashioned and sentimental:evil:
 

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The company Snap~on has been importing tools for decades and selling them under the Blue Point brand. Importing tools is nothing new to Snap~on. The only difference is the label that they put on the package.

Don't fool yourself and think that Snap~on (the company) is or was some great altruistic/patriotic company that places American workers over profits.

Blue Point has been a line of tools that Snap On has outsourced since the very beginning, however it wasn't always imported from outside of the US.
 

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Hell, as long as they are open about what they are and where they came from, I don't necessarily care. We're all chasing the allmighty buck, that's a given, but let me make an informed decision. The days of assuming that a Snap On tool is top of the line are over...I must confess this whole process makes me appreciate the pawnshop jewels I find occasionally...old tools that are built to last.
 

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The company Snap~on has been importing tools for decades and selling them under the Blue Point brand. Importing tools is nothing new to Snap~on. The only difference is the label that they put on the package.

Don't fool yourself and think that Snap~on (the company) is or was some great altruistic/patriotic company that places American workers over profits.

Most Blue-Point branded tools were "imported" from other domestic companies for the majority of Snap-On's existence. i.e, they were also "Made in USA" tools, just not made by Snap-On. In fact, Blue Point wrenches became Snap-On wrenches simply by changing the name stamp.

I don't buy the "decades" thing here. 10 years, maybe.

I do believe they put quality and customer satisfaction first for a long time. Now, of course they have succumbed to the ****** of profits that most other manufacturers are basking in. It's the thing to do these days for any self-respecting corporation.

It is not sustainable, however. By moving jobs offshore, these companies are breaking their customer base and pushing them into poverty. They can have the cheapest cheap **** or the most expensive cheap ****, but soon it won't matter, because their customers won't have any money to buy it.
 

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I know it was said here before but I don’t how many people believed it, Snap-On owns a manufacturing facility in China

Probably just a matter of time till most of every thing is made there

Snap-On 10K Annual Report
PDF page 26
 
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Snap-on Incorporated 2007 Annual Report: "Expanding on Strong Foundations"
The title alone gives you an idea of what "changes" are revealed inside.... these are all presented in a positive light!

Page #7 quote:
"Snap-On's Asian manufacturing capability expanded again in 2007 with the opening of a hacksaw blade operation in our Kunshan, China, facility."

Page #8:
"Snap-on continued to invest into the emerging markets
of Asia-Pacific and Eastern Europe and our capabilities to serve those regions increased again in 2007. We completed our SECOND PLANT in Kunshan, China, on schedule. It’s already helping to fuel our ongoing growth. We also continue to expand our sales capabilities, adding a substantial number of distributors and sales offices to our on-the-ground network throughout the EMERGING REGIONS." (emphases mine)

Page #22 quote:
"Continue on the company’s existing path to improve and transform GLOBAL MANUFACTURING and the supply chain into a market-demand-based replenishment system, with LOWER COSTS;" (emphases mine)

Page #23 quote:
"The global tool, equipment, and diagnostics and repair industry is competitive. We face strong competition in all of our market segments. Price competition in our various industries is intense and pricing pressures from competitors and customers are increasing. In general, as a manufacturer and marketer of premium products and services, the expectations of Snap-On's customers and its franchisees are high and increasing. Any inability to maintain customer satisfaction could diminish Snap-On's premium image and reputation and could result in a lessening of its ability to command premium pricing. We expect that the level of competition will remain high in the future, which could limit our ability to maintain or increase market share or profitability."

Page #24
"Approximately 43% of our revenues in 2007 were generated OUTSIDE of the United States." (emphases mine)

All of this sounds like "corporate speak and spin" for the globalization trends of the world economy and the "need" for corporate america to find cheaper and cheaper places to produce their products to be "competitive". For some reason, I don't think there is that much demand for hack saw blades in China; this production isn't just for the asian market; they seem to want to cast this as supporting "emerging markets" but I think the blades are for us! Could Page 23s quote in particular, be a possible scenario for the future of Snap-on? This corporate "fear" could also be used as a rationalization of more and more offshore manufacturing.
Ultimately, I think there will always be a demand for a premium grade quality tool regardless of where its made or what brand it is sold under. These annual reports provide interesting insights into the tool market and corporate thinking on the future of their business; although we may not like the trends, they are not exactly hiding what they are doing either!
 
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Well, I don't consider wire brushes to be tools

:headscrat What are they then?


Hell, as long as they are open about what they are and where they came from, I don't necessarily care. We're all chasing the allmighty buck, that's a given, but let me make an informed decision. The days of assuming that a Snap On tool is top of the line are over...I must confess this whole process makes me appreciate the pawnshop jewels I find occasionally...old tools that are built to last.

Granted, Snap On's trend away from the USA is disappointing. If this is the way things are going, GearWrench is looking better all the time if we're going to buy professional-level imported tools.
 
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I am miffed with Snap On anyway, given the crappy way they terminated my dealer, so they won't get any of my money any time soon. The front page of the Sunday St Louis Post Dispatch had a big article about crappy Chinese food imports, rotten fish with pesticides and illegals antibiotics in it, so perhaps imported tools are the least of our problems.

Would you're dealer be Craig? Or did Snap On chop more than one dealer from the STL area?
 

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Canned response I got:

Hello ******,

Thank you for contacting Snap-on tools. Even though some of our products are made overseas they still uphold the same quality that Snap-on has been known for.

I have forwarded your concerns onto our product development team for review for future production. This type of feedback allows us to make better customer focused decisions regarding products and product improvements.

Regards,
*******
Snap-on tools
 

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I can understand this, I think they would be better sold under blue point though to maintain the made in USA mentality that is associated with snap on. But seriously, image how expensive they would be if they were made here? WOuld any of you pay that much for a wire brush? lol
 
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