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A little info I learned about lowes

mech-tech

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I was just at lowes (yes I was at lowes on a saturday night...I have no life) and I got to talking with one of the older guys that works there in the tool department since I go there so often they know me by name. He had seen me pick up the very last one of the Ideal pliers left on clearance in the back of the rack, and we got started on the tools they were getting rid of. He told me that he has no proof, but believes that lowes may have bought the southwire brand since thats all they now carry, and his reason for his hunch is that according to him, lowes has gotten rid of their cooper brand electrical supplies and now carries a totally different brand that lowes has bought out. He was also telling me they carry the dewalt brand for people that want to buy better home owner tools, and then if they don't want to spend the extra cash, they have the low end porter cable. He also said they carry more complete power tool kits so people pay the little extra for an entire new tool instead of just buying the batteries. From what I gather from our talk, it seems lowes is gearing more toward the weekend do-it-yourselfer with the way they are changing things around.

I am by no means bashing lowes, I love that place for decent hand tools when I need one asap! I go there often for the clearance items they always have marked down. And I gotta say that from the stories he was telling me of customers, it was probably a move that lowes had to make. For example, he told me a customer brought in some hand tools that had obviously been rusted and abused, but the customer swore he had just bought them. He had to replace them because thats what the warranty is. Another story was a guy had bought a cordless drill with the 5 year replacement warranty, but the warranty was to be dealt with through the manufacturer, not lowes...but to make the customer happy, lowes had to eat it and give him a brand new drill. He was also telling me of the amount of large pricey items that people take, including entire power tool sets! Heck, he even told me he went to help a customer looking at the screwdrivers and realized the guy was using one off the shelf to fix his pistol cause he did not want to buy the entire set!!!!!!!

As I said, I am not complaining about lowes, but hoping to shed some light on why they have changed brands lately. It seems home owners want to have contractor brand tools, but want the convenience of having a cheap tool that can be used and abused...then returned days later for their money back or a brand new tool. People forget that tools are an investment which is part of working on things yourself...so I don't blame lowes at all for having cheaper tools, thats what people want!
 
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Almost forgot, he even told me a guy walked in just before me wanting a new battery for the expensive drill he bought at Harbor Freight a year ago for $25!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Marketing man, that's how it works in 2013! It's unfortunate and I don't like just as much as the next guy. But hey, now tools are accessible for the DIY'ers and if they wreck their cheep tool call it a learning experience. Maybe they'll stumble upon Garage Journal and start looking into SK, second Craftsman, and what not.
 

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From what I gather from our talk, it seems lowes is gearing more toward the weekend do-it-yourselfer with the way they are changing things around.

That's fine by me. That way the contractor supply houses and the industrial supply houses can pick up that business.
 

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When I want professional grade tools, (Home Depot/Lowes/Sears) don't even enter my mind because I know they won't have it.
 

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I've noticed exactly the same thing. On a good note though the cheap porter cable stuff will take a beating. Almost done building my garage with mostly my porter cable stuff. They do keep a pretty decent selection for the weekender diy guy though which I agree is there main market.

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Well, I guess we're back to the point of what our fathers did, save up and buy one good tool a year. :sad:
 

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I remember when Porter-Cable was the top brand of power tools and you had to go the a woodworkers supply to get them. And they were all USA.
 
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Yeah, he showed me the replacement batteries for the porter cables were $25 vs. $90 for the dewalts. I remember them also having bosch and milwaukee in the past...but apparently weekend guys think $30 for a drill is pushing it. It might just be my area, but if you want the actual contractor grade stuff, you go to grainger and spend $200. It makes me laugh when I see guys that think they are a pro cause they went buy a name brand cordless tool kit at a department store for the handy dandy price of $**.95
 
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Yeah, he showed me the replacement batteries for the porter cables were $25 vs. $90 for the dewalts. I remember them also having bosch and milwaukee in the past...but apparently weekend guys think $30 for a drill is pushing it. It might just be my area, but if you want the actual contractor grade stuff, you go to grainger and spend $200. It makes me laugh when I see guys that think they are a pro cause they went buy a name brand cordless tool kit at a department store for the handy dandy price of $**.95

There's a lot of people happy with their Ryobi/Craftsman C3 ... happy enough that you'd have to give them reason to step up to Milwaukee.
 
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I have no problem with craftsman power tools...but some people think wal-mart and harbor freight are what a tool should cost...then get sticker shock when they see what a real tool cost. Then they expect contractor tool suppliers to do the return and make everything wonderful for the customer stuff that department stores do.
 

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There's a lot of people happy with their Ryobi/Craftsman C3 ... happy enough that you'd have to give them reason to step up to Milwaukee.

I've had the same Ryobi set for 10+ years and it has never failed me and I have used the heck out of all the tools in the set. I am not a contractor though so I just can't justify anything more than what I have. All I plan to do is upgrade the LiOn batteries. I bought the small one with the dual type charger and very happy with it, but I need to get the larger battery for more run time.
 

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Lowe's didn't buy Southwire. Southwire just introduced their own line of hand tools back in July, jumping on the same bandwagon as everyone else (like, for example, DeWalt), slapping their brand on imported versions of related product lines to make an extra buck.

They likely just offered Lowe's a sweet deal on product in exchange for prime placement - kinda like how we've seen other brands edge out the Channellock placement in the past year or two.
 

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I avoid the big box stores for important tools.
I got my education from a dewalt rep 20 years ago when they had the annual tool sale at the local farm king store. The dewalt truck was set up in the parking lot and all the tools were on display on tables. I was looking at a palm sander and had just put it down when the factory rep handed me a saws all and asked me if I had seen these. I told him yeah, I had one just like it and then I said no, mine had a different speed selector. He said, oh I must have bought it at menard's or lowes. I said huh? He told me it's still a good tool but they use cheaper switches or bearings to meet a price point. I started watching real close after that and the part numbers would be almost the same but never exactly the same.
There are 2 kinds of tools:
Cheap throw away when they fail tools,
And spend the money in the beginning and use for many years tools.
 

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Home depot stocks hundreds of items made by southwire, my guess is they just offered lowes a sweet deal on tools.
 

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Agreed.

It comes down to cost and profit margins.

For what it's worth, a lot of marketing guys follow Garage Journal, product designers as well.

Well look at how well changing over to cheap tools is working for Sears...
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but changing over the cheaper tools has worked out very well for Craftsman and Sears.

Do you really think they would have accepted their OEMs switching more and more tools to overseas plants if they weren't seeing tangible benefits?

We hate this practice, but despite how vocal we are, we're in the minority.
 

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Southwire is a privately held manufacturer of wire and cable, founded and based in Carrollton, GA (founded in 1950). The CEO is Roy Richards, Jr. the son of the founder. The company employs about 5000, and is the worlds largest, privately held, manufacturer of wire and cable.

Charles
 

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Southwire is a privately held manufacturer of wire and cable, founded and based in Carrollton, GA (founded in 1950). The CEO is Roy Richards, Jr. the son of the founder. The company employs about 5000, and is the worlds largest, privately held, manufacturer of wire and cable.

Charles

In other words, Lowes did not buy them out.


As far as Porter Cable goes, the 20V line is a good return to what they were before.
 
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