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Garage build update – I am going to rant a bit at the end:

1. The electrician has roughed in my panel, the meter box, and wire supply mast. He is now working with the city to schedule their time and I should have a power drop mid-next week. Really looking forward to having power!
2. The guys I had lined up to do the gutter work called and have changed their schedule twice before finally saying that my job is just too small and that they are just too busy. Another contractor has a $2500 min. There is no way I am paying that for 60 linier feet (2 strait runs of 30’) of gutter and two downspouts. $400 in material and 5 hours of work. F%@K that.
3. My garage contractor has quit. There is little I can do at this point besides shake my head in wonder and disgust. It has been a bumpy road from almost the start, but I figured that with a little bit of work from me it would all be OK. A “bit of work” turned into a part time job and time spent on the garage was time not spent on the house remodel and that made my wife grumble. In addition to the rebar work, slab prep/cure and the fire block installation, I had to install two forgotten kicker studs, tighten missed/forgotten anchor bolt nuts, added nails to the hurricane straps, supply subfloor adhesive, ask for drywall blocking, supply my own windows and roofing underlayment, buy a couple boxes of screws, and had to go over punch list items twice before they were addressed. The windows were installed incorrectly – I could see daylight in the corners of the windows and I asked that they be re-installed. When that was being done, my Hardie siding got cracked. I also found that instead of every 16” per code, the siding was nailed every 4’ in some locations. I called and the foreman came out. He addressed some issues but caused others. I then called the owner and he came out. He agreed with every point I had. They crew came back and while some items were fixed, others were not and new problems popped up. I let the owner know and this was his response:

“Unfortunately we've succeeded in messing up again. ____ had no excuse for why he didn't read my email, about taking the siding out from the bottom of the windows, and what they were thinking with the screws into the bottom of the fascia's. If they'd pre-drilled the holes it would have worked and been clean. I don't have anyone else in my employee who I could send down to make any corrections, and I don't think you would trust anyone I sent to do any more work. What I'd like to offer is to forego our final payment and let you clean up any items by your self. I don't like doing this, I really want to get the job done for you but we've already had three try's. I know you might not be as happy as you should be but I want to at least make you satisfied with _____________.”

I am not happy and while I agree that I don't trust his guys to come back a third time, the keeping of a few hundred bucks does not make it all better. Now, I either have to find and pay someone else or do it myself. Frustrating.

I have looked at this. Am I just an *******? Am I too picky or do I expect too much? I really have looked at this hard and yes, I can be an *******, but not in this and not with a single contractor or tradesman on my site. We provided lunches, Gator-aid, coffee, and beer for all the guys working. I made sure the honey bucket was cleaned twice a week. I talked to every contractor/tradesman that has been on our property like I would want to be spoken to and if I wanted something different or changed, I addressed it right then by ASKING and wasn't the least bit of a **** or know-it -all about it. I cleaned up the job site in the afternoons after I got off work to save them all time and effort.

Is needing someone to stick to a schedule, be on time, and not halfway do something too particular? I don't think so. Is asking that a contractor a least meet minimum code requirements, pull permits, and do the job they agreed to for the agreed to price crazy? Apparently so. I get it: all the contractors in Seattle are busier that a puppy with two peckers. That means that 1. they can be super picky about the jobs they take, 2. charge what they want, 3. if they **** up, no worries, there are three other jobs waiting.
 
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Don't let him off that easy. He is still responsible for the work he performed. If there is a cost to rework his work then he is responsible to cover it. You still have a warranty period to deal with. Just walking away and leaving the final payment isn't going to cut it.

You need a serious separation agreement in place to protect you and the work that has been done.
 
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Don't let him off that easy. He is still responsible for the work he performed. If there is a cost to rework his work then he is responsible to cover it. You still have a warranty period to deal with. Just walking away and leaving the final payment isn't going to cut it.

You need a serious separation agreement in place to protect you and the work that has been done.

I am working on that now. The contract states a warranty period 'after work is complete, parties satisfied, and all payments made.' If my roof springs a leak come winter or if the slab starts crumbling, then I need something in writing to cover the repair costs as his crew will not be returning.
 

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I think your project is probably closer to 'normal' than you may think.

The 'customer' (that would be you) is supposed to have a complete lack of knowledge on how anything should be done, which is why most people hire someone else.

Your problem is that you know right from half-assed and expect to get what you paid for.
 
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All said though, we have had some great contractors during our garage build and house remodel:

1. Maranatha Hardwood Floors showed up on time for the quote. The owner was personable and the quote was reasonable. They showed up on time, did a beautiful job, listened to a specific request from my wife, there were no extra charges, cleaned up after themselves, and our floor looks great.
2. RCS Fire Place did a first class job. On time, good pricing, no add-on charges, etc…
3. After an initial sales rep flub, Greenwood Heating & Air did nice work on our heat pump. Very professional installers. No complaints.
4. Vehicle Equipment Solutions was top-notch on the lift order and install. I couldn’t be happier with their work.
5. Our Drywall guys were awesome. Very professional, great price, showed up when they were supposed to and finished right on time.
6. The carpet guys that did our bedroom were fast, professional, and did a great job.
7. I had some custom wrought iron brackets made and the blacksmith listen to our wants and delivered a beautiful product.
8. Pacific RIM equipment rental was great in supplying heavy equipment for the garage tear out and site prep. When there was a breakdown, they delivered a new machine and I wasn’t charged for any gas use for the entire weekend.
9. Bryan at Squak Box was a rock star when it came time to haul out the debris from the old garage and all the old concrete. On time, no hidden costs, dropped the containers perfectly. Couldn’t ask for more.
 
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I think your project is probably closer to 'normal' than you may think.

The 'customer' (that would be you) is supposed to have a complete lack of knowledge on how anything should be done, which is why most people hire someone else.

Your problem is that you know right from half-assed and expect to get what you paid for.

My dad and grandfather were contractors (and farmer/ranchers). I worked my way through highschool, college, and grad school swinging hammers, twisting wire, welding red steel, driving a tractor, pouring concrete, painting, and roofing. I was clear about this from the start with all my contractors and said that I would not micro-manage them, but that I would expect them to build it right. I get that it is "just a garage" but it is my F-ing garage and my hard-earned cash going into their pockets for the work being done.

This "new normal" in not how it should be done.
 
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The Garage build is coming along. Still waiting for Seattle City Light to connect the power from the transformer. 5 weeks now... I can't continue with the interior wiring until that connection happens and the electrical inspection is OKed. No insulation or drywall/T1-11 until it get the "OK to cover" from the electric inspector. I am not one to sit on my ****, so I wheeled out the airless spray rig for the first time in like forever and put two coats of quality Benjamin Moore paint on the outside of the garage - matches the house. I will paint the doors and trim this weekend.
 

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Sorry to hear about the delay. Seattle DPD (or whatever they call it now) and City Light are really backed up right now with all the building going on in the city. Keep up the good work.
 
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I need to tie the wooden fence back into the new structure so the dogs can roam in the back yard again. While backing up to unload concrete and posts for the fence, I barely tapped the corner of the garage with my trailer. Not a single scratch or dent or ding, but it made me say DIRTY words. I put my thunkin' cap on and decided that if I did it once, I would do it again, and someone else would definitely smack the corner. A Bollard was in order. I went by Pacific Metals and picked up a 6'X5"X5/16" wall hunk of square tubing and 4 sections of 3/8X10' rebar.

I rented an auger to dig the needed 7 post holes and dropped in 1 more for the bollard. The fence post holes are 18-14" deep, but the bollard hole is 38" deep and after chipping away at it with a post hole digger, maybe 14-16" in diameter with a bell-shaped bottom. I cut 3 of the rebars to 7’ and bent the three pieces into a fishhook shape, wire tying the tops together in 3 places. I then took the off cuts and bent them into a “U.”

I put the rebar in the hole, sitting on plastic rebar chairs and placed the post over them. I splayed out the “hook” sections and wire-tied the U-shaped pieced around the rebar and around the bollard. I then added another hoop around the original section and the tied hoop. Concrete was poured in and vibrated to get all the air and voids out. I filled the bollard with concrete and used a scrap section of rebar to agitate and pack down the concrete in the bollard.

I left 4” of the top of the square tubing free of concrete and dropped in a 6” lag bolt with to 3” sticking out of the wet concrete, but still in the tube. After the concrete dried and while I was setting some fence posts, I went back and finished off the top of the bollard with a bit more concrete. I will paint it red when I paint the doors to the garage. The thing won’t stop a tank, but it might save the corner of my garage from a moment of inattention…
 

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Sorry to hear about the delay. Seattle DPD (or whatever they call it now) and City Light are really backed up right now with all the building going on in the city. Keep up the good work.


Thanks RSwannabe. Delay has been just a factor of this build. I would have more patience with City Light if one of their crews hadn't been sitting at a bikini coffee stand for 30+ minutes on Monday while I was eating a late lunch across the street. I like ***** and bikinis and coffee even more than the average bear, but come on - don't tell tell everybody how swamped your crews are if they have time to have a philosophical discussion with a nearly naked barista...

For those of you not in the PacNW - bikini coffee here is a thing and some stands are really open to the definition of what a bikini is - an eye patch and pasties are the rule and some stands.
 
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R.Deschain,
If that bollard doesn't save your garage corner, nothing will! I think it will do more damage to what ever you hit it with than just hitting the building alone.:lol:
 

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I would have more patience with City Light if one of their crews hadn't been sitting at a bikini coffee stand for 30+ minutes on Monday while I was eating a late lunch across the street. I like ***** and bikinis and coffee even more than the average bear, but come on - don't tell tell everybody how swamped your crews are if they have time to have a philosophical discussion with a nearly naked barista...


The crews do not do their own scheduling. At the end of the day their scheduled jobs are supposed to be done. Sometimes they have to go full blast and other days they finish up early.

That said, I completely understand. Several years ago we had an ice storm that took out much of out electric coop's grid. We waited two weeks for our turn and when it came it took 30 minutes to restore power to our entire neighborhood.
 
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Build update:

Still no electricity... long sad story from the electrician: too much work, not enough people, confusion with the city, scheduling snafu... No show at all last week. I have watched an entire house, with a garage, be built and sold 3 streets away since my garage project started...

Fall is here and the rain is coming soon, so I spent an afternoon with the Airless Spray Rig and painted the garage door and man door Benjamin Moore Heritage red. The door and building trim will be Bright white and will go on after work one day next week. Gutters go on after.
 

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nice color. I feel your pain on the delays (or excuses causing the delays). Mine has been ready for concrete for a month now. no show every day.
But my dad would frown upon me kicking my uncle in the junk to get it done.
 
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nice color. I feel your pain on the delays (or excuses causing the delays). Mine has been ready for concrete for month now. now show every day.
But my dad would frown upon me kicking my uncle in the junk to get it done.

Thanks!

I understand about working with family... I just don't do it anymore. The possible turmoil, hurt feelings, lasting anger, and strained holiday gatherings just isn't worth the "deal" I get when it is my brother-in-law, cousin, uncle, etc...
 
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HOLY Bejesus... I have Electricity!! Only 4 months after permit pulled and 9 months after garage build began. I have lights, my garage, the auto-door openers work, there are five 110VAC plugs working, and my lift is now working without the aid of a 220VAC cord running from the drier plug in the basement of the house.

I just had the bare minimum done to get the panel and transfer switch in place and have the city sign off on the garage. Now, that is not to say that all is well in the electrical department: I am still waiting for final permit sign off for the work already done, which is on hold. Apparently, my electrician screwed up the wire routing in the meter box and SCL cannot install a meter. Thankfully they are letting me keep the lights on until my current electrician can come back and address.

I am now prepping in all the other 110 plugs myself - at 4' high, putting in 2 additional 220 plugs and a 50amp plug for my welder. There is no way I am going to pay an hourly fee to have romex run, holes drilled, staples put in, and plugs & switched wired in. Nope. I am paying another electrician (my current guy is extra fired after two failed inspections, the above meter issue, and a bunch of no-shows) to sign off on my work and run the lines into the panel and install breakers - already arranged with electrician that my company contracts and the price isn't too bad at all. While I can do this in my sleep, I am not licensed and my insurance would not pay a dime is something happened, regardless of fault.
 

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Last week I cut the end of my left thumb off with an identical saw that Ive used over 50 years. Had surgery on wendsday & now typing this in pain. My saw will go away & be replaced with a more advanced model. be safe.
 
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Last week I cut the end of my left thumb off with an identical saw that Ive used over 50 years. Had surgery on wendsday & now typing this in pain. My saw will go away & be replaced with a more advanced model. be safe.

I bought a SawStop Table saw a few months ago for the exact same reason. I hope you are healing fast.
 
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Good to see you at a point where you control the rest of the build.

When I have problems of the type you were experiencing with the POCO I find the the name of the MFIC and write a letter. A big guy pushing down has more leverage than a little guy pushing up.
 

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@R. Deschain - Question for you since you've done something similar to what I am planning (tearing down a tiny old garage and building a new one).

Did you have to wait after the old slab and footings were removed before getting the new slab poured? Did they have to compact the ground or anything?
 

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I was out of town this past week on a work trip. I came home to a sweet surprise: I have a new 10,000lb two-post lift. I got a decent deal on a Rotary Revolution RPT10. Went with this model because there is a local dealer, local support, and some experience that some friends and colleagues have had with this and other lifts.

The next step for the garage is to finish the electrical, the insulation, and drywall.

Good Lord Brother... I am sorry to read about all of the problems towards the end of your build. I certainly hope things work out better for you in the future.

As for your lift choice... how does your lift stack up against the BendPak 10K? I like the idea of a local company putting it in and being available for issues. I still have to get through insulation and drywall myself. Lift will have to wait until next year for me.

Cheers!
 
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@R. Deschain - Question for you since you've done something similar to what I am planning (tearing down a tiny old garage and building a new one).

Did you have to wait after the old slab and footings were removed before getting the new slab poured? Did they have to compact the ground or anything?

I did. I tore the old slab and footings out. There are some builders that will go over an existing slab, but I elected not to because the the slight shift/changs of location and the unknown soil/slab conditions. I did have the soild compacted, but no extra gravel brought in.
 
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Good Lord Brother... I am sorry to read about all of the problems towards the end of your build. I certainly hope things work out better for you in the future.

As for your lift choice... how does your lift stack up against the BendPak 10K? I like the idea of a local company putting it in and being available for issues. I still have to get through insulation and drywall myself. Lift will have to wait until next year for me.

Cheers!

I am nothing more than a shade tree mechanic, so my opinion doesn't hold the weight of some of the guys on the forum that have owned 10 different lifts over their 40 year career. I have done lots of work on cars and trucks and tractors, but working under a lift is somewhat new to me - last 8 years or so, but I will never go back to ramps in the driveway!

I know LOTS of guys with home lifts and I data-mined everyone I know and every dealership, tire, and oil place I have used in that time from Seattle to Arkansas. The differences between the two are tiny. I looked really hard at BentPak. They are even more or less the same price. In the end I chose the Rotary because it was what almost all the dealerships and shops in my area are using and I could get local installation, troubleshooting and repair if needed.

In the last 6 months, I have changed oil twice in 3 vehicles, rotated tires, swapped for winter tires, lubed my jeep chassis, repaired a rear brake line, and popped drain plugs out from the bottom, rewired a utility trailer, and have stored a car in the air. The Rotary has done a great job each time.
 
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First issue with my lift turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

I was off work yesterday and hooked up my Jeep trailer to make a run to the dump, pick up some plywood, and a roll of carpet. I had a signal light issue on the trailer as I was headed home from the last errand. Instead of crawling around on the wet ground figuring it out, I put the trailer up on the lift - 'cause i can :) Turned out to be a corroded contact and took about 2 minutes to fix. I got all involved with something else and about 10 minutes before I had to leave the house that evening with my wife, I went to drop the trailer and put the Jeep in the garage. Nope. The slave-side tower lock would not disengage. ****, the trailer was 6 feet in the air and not coming down. The Jeep had to go in, so I tried and low and behold, the Jeep fits in the garage with the trailer on the lift! Now, there is about 3/4" clearance between the spare tire and the garage door, but there is clearance! This means I don't have to kill myself unloading the trailer every time I use it and don't finish in a single day. I can just put both in the garage - safe, dry, secure, and warm. Happy day.

The safety lock issue turned out to be a simple slight stretch of the lock safety cable - it happens. I moved the stopper nut up this morning and POP! it unlocked just fine.
 

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I have had a number GJ members, 6 sets of neighbors and a ton of people in our area ask me some detailed questions about the build and I have been making some videos while rehabbing a hip injury, so I thought that I would turn my garage build into a three part YouTube video series to answer most of the questions and have all of the information in one spot. The first one is done and up now and the second should be done in a couple of weeks.

You can find the 1st video here
 
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Part 2 of the 3-Part series documenting our garage/shop build is done. Like Part 1, this film is made from pictures taken during the build with a voice over commentary. Part-3 will be a mix of videos, stills, and some drone shots.

 

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another Seattle person, really liking the work on your new garage, man sorry to read about some of your problems. This is why I am trying to do as much as I can myself in-between my full time job and family life.
 
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another Seattle person, really liking the work on your new garage, man sorry to read about some of your problems. This is why I am trying to do as much as I can myself in-between my full time job and family life.

There are a lot of us in the PNW on GJ - something to do with the climate and the amount of time we spend indoors :)

yes, it is a balance that I still am working on: Do I finish wiring in these lights ore go in for dinner? Do I go to the market with the family or mud this drywall?
 
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Holy ****... I got notice from our former garage contractor that the city permit for the build was about to expire. Huh?!? Apparently, he had never called for the final inspection. It just never ends.

After a flurry of calls and e-mails, the city inspector came out today and looked at the framing, roof, gutters, paint, electrical final. He signed off on it but said that we should have not moved in and started the insulation and drywall until the final was signed and in hand. He was the guy that did the initial inspection and remembered us and the build, so I didn't have to tear anything out. While I appreciate the garage guy letting me know about the expiration, I would have preferred that the inspections were done a year ago when the structure was done.
 
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Wow. That could have gone really badly. As if you didn't have enough problems along the way.
Enjoyed the videos.

Yes... Not the contractor I would recommend, however if anyone in the Seattle area needs an HVAC, flooring, hauling/jobsite dumpster, or mason recommendation - I have had great experiences with the contractors we used for those things.

Thanks about the videos! Am working on #3 now
 
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