A true New Englander's workshop.
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TennesseeZ
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I've got to agree with 'ya there, I'm blessed to live in East Tennessee, up in the corner, about 50 miles from Kentucky, Virginia, or NC.
Moved up here from SC 8yrs ago
I've just re-discovered this site and found your tool restorations right away. You do some impressive work. Seeing yours has inspired me to dig out that box of old planes and such I bought a couple years ago and I even got one cleaned up some last nite. Thanks! I'm also impressed with the deck rebuild, I can hear Momma now: "if you're gonna do something at all, you might as well do it right the first time." She was the craftsman in the house.
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Woffski
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Wow, you do great work sir!!! I'm from CT, currently living in NC....
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Firefyter-Emt
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Just a little more antique fodder for y'all. I posted these in another thread, but thought I would add them to my garage profile here. Again, going back to the tools bought from the lady mentioned in the start of the thread, these are the blades that went with the table saw I bought. There was another entire wooden milk crate full of old non-carbide blades that I gave away, but I just had to keep these that were still in cardboard sleeves. These blades were not carbide (except the "safe-saw" blade) but appeared to be freshly sharpened, and not used. The cool "Safe-Saw" blade is all original and may be the, or one of the first carbide blades on the market. Why it has eight, yes, EIGHT carbide teeth!
So onto the photos I know everybody loves!
We also found this really cool 5-1/2" (1/2" arbor) dado blade that appears to date back to the 1930's - 1940's era. This is still mint in the box and not only had all the parts in their perfect paper wrapper, there is even extra dado blades in the box. The box say's it came with six inside blades and I have eight of them. Even the two main outer blades are still in the paper wrapper. VERY cool just to keep in my collection. Some day I want to have some sort of glass door display case to put them in.
So onto the photos I know everybody loves!
We also found this really cool 5-1/2" (1/2" arbor) dado blade that appears to date back to the 1930's - 1940's era. This is still mint in the box and not only had all the parts in their perfect paper wrapper, there is even extra dado blades in the box. The box say's it came with six inside blades and I have eight of them. Even the two main outer blades are still in the paper wrapper. VERY cool just to keep in my collection. Some day I want to have some sort of glass door display case to put them in.
Wow, you do some nice restoration work.
Brewsterg6
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Just wanted to tell you... I love the Massey! I just found a complete '64 MF10 and bought it for the mower deck to go on my '68 10. Hood stickers are wrong, PO put them on when he painted it.
KF5LCH
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Firefyter-Emt, great work all around. I don't know how you guys come across all these old machines & make them look better than new. Like I said in tinbenders thread, all the old stuff like that is long gone around here.
I can only say what others have already told you, great work & keep it up. Love the old Massey.
I can only say what others have already told you, great work & keep it up. Love the old Massey.
smschriefer
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I have that same eight tooth carbide tipped saw blade. I wonder how much it is worth? hehe (inside joke)
You have an awesome shop, Lee, and I am going to shamelessly plug your website. http://www.yankeetoys.org/lee/shop.html has to be on anyone's bookmark list who enjoys old tools. He has an awesome selection of tool restorations listed with lots of pics on his site. I know that I picked up a whole lot of useful information from his site.
I love that Massey of yours. My grandfather was a farmer and he only had Massey products. I fondly remember working the fields with his Massey Harris 50 and the big ol' Massey Ferguson 150. I have to start looking for an old MF lawn tractor...
Steve
You have an awesome shop, Lee, and I am going to shamelessly plug your website. http://www.yankeetoys.org/lee/shop.html has to be on anyone's bookmark list who enjoys old tools. He has an awesome selection of tool restorations listed with lots of pics on his site. I know that I picked up a whole lot of useful information from his site.
I love that Massey of yours. My grandfather was a farmer and he only had Massey products. I fondly remember working the fields with his Massey Harris 50 and the big ol' Massey Ferguson 150. I have to start looking for an old MF lawn tractor...
Steve
smschriefer
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The stuff is still out where you live. I saw some nice stuff in OKC, Tulsa and Wichita last time I was out your way. You just have to constantly review CL to find the items as they sell fast. I have the same issue here in VA. If you don't respond to the posting the day it comes up, the stuff is gone. Also check thrift stores, flea markets and garage sales. You would be amazed at what you can find.
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Firefyter-Emt
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Just wanted to tell you... I love the Massey! I just found a complete '64 MF10 and bought it for the mower deck to go on my '68 10. Hood stickers are wrong, PO put them on when he painted it.
Thanks, I love this era Massey. I do wish they were a little more set up as far hydro or electric lifts standard, rather than a super rare add on. But, I simply LOVE the looks of these tractors!
I do want to point out that this body design was only build from 1966 to 1974, so you are off a little on the dates. If you want to look here => www.yankeetoys.org/lee/mf-build-date.pdf You can download the serial number decode sheet and find out exactly what year it is. The early tractors also had the starter generator on the motor like a Cub Cadet.
If you have not found it, there is a great site for these tractors found here.
http://gardentractortalk.com/f2-massey-ferguson-snapper-amf/
Brewsterg6
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Thanks for the links... I was going by what the PO told me on the year, so you're likely right. The other tractor has the starterator, so I would assume it's a sixty six/ seven then? The one pictured has a fibreglass cowl, and the earlier one is metal. I don't want to jack your thread on your garage though, so I'll check out those other links.
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Firefyter-Emt
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If the other one has a aluminum dash, then it's a 1966. That was the only year they put them on the tractors. To be correct, it should also have the aluminum head light trim bezel as well. Does it have the narrow rims as well? That was much rarer to find on them.
If it were me, I would look at rebuilding the '66 tractor, they are very rare to find like that. If I remember correct, they only used the aluminum cowl for half of the first year.
If it were me, I would look at rebuilding the '66 tractor, they are very rare to find like that. If I remember correct, they only used the aluminum cowl for half of the first year.
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Firefyter-Emt
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Thanks for the kind words! If everyone keeps looking towards my website, y'all are going to guilt me into rebuilding all the dead pages and updating everything!
Victorymike18
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I just wanted to come in and echo the comments on your amazing restoration on tools and equipment! You are making this stuff look better than new, and giving it new life. Very impressive and inspirational work.
Brewsterg6
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It has the same wheels/tires as the one pictured. It also has the aluminum hood ring with lights. I arrived at 1968 as a year for the one pictured by checking numbers on the motor. The serial#went missing when it was painted. Im going to have to rethink my plans now...I wish you had have told me the nicer one was the rare one!LOL!
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Firefyter-Emt
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Well, a little shop progress today that was more shop related. Today my replacement drawer slides came in from Snap-On. I had originally only asked for the damaged ones, but when they came in, they made the old ones feel like a tool box from a cheap box store! So I called them back and asked if they would be willing to send me eight more sets because the new ones feel sop much better. Today, the UPS guy brought me eight more sets! My tool box has a mix of roller slides and the standard slides. Snap-On also had mailed me 8 new non-bearing slides to replace ones with broken clips. Given all these new slides, I just had to remove the drawers and clean the gunk of the drawers, tool box, and the re-used slides. Well, that led to using some acetone to clean over-spray off the outside of the drawers and some wax on the outside of the top box. I started at 4pm and it's past 9pm now. I managed to do the whole top box and one side of the bottom for cleaning the drawers, and the whole top box has been cleaned and waxed. I ran out of acetone to finish the bottom box, but will do that tomorrow.
I used to work as a body man, so this box saw a good decade in a shop getting covered in over-spray. That and the next decade getting some here at my shop, it was well over due! I hope to re-paint the box in the next year or so, buy for now, this is a huge improvement!
I swear I will NEVER use white lube on my box again! In a mechanical shop, it may be ok... but in a mixed use with wood working, painting, and body work... it makes a HUGE mess. You can still see some of the gunk in the corners. I was soaking the re-used glides in kerosene and using a tooth brush, parts brush and rags to clean the slides, drawers, and even inside the tool box itself. VERY time consuming... but they look brand new and they will not collect dust from now on.
And here you can see how much over-spray I was able to clean off the drawer fronts. The bottom box has not been waxed yet either!
It's getting there! It is getting some much needed TLC, but I think she's in pretty good shape for a 20 year old box that saw daily use in a shop environment for the first 11 years of her life. The new roller bearing slides and clean standard ones make it feel so nice! The deeper drawers are all roller bearing and the top shallow drawers are the non-bearing ones. I wish they were all bearing slides, but it was the one that fit the budget at the time. (NOT!)
I used to work as a body man, so this box saw a good decade in a shop getting covered in over-spray. That and the next decade getting some here at my shop, it was well over due! I hope to re-paint the box in the next year or so, buy for now, this is a huge improvement!
I swear I will NEVER use white lube on my box again! In a mechanical shop, it may be ok... but in a mixed use with wood working, painting, and body work... it makes a HUGE mess. You can still see some of the gunk in the corners. I was soaking the re-used glides in kerosene and using a tooth brush, parts brush and rags to clean the slides, drawers, and even inside the tool box itself. VERY time consuming... but they look brand new and they will not collect dust from now on.
And here you can see how much over-spray I was able to clean off the drawer fronts. The bottom box has not been waxed yet either!
It's getting there! It is getting some much needed TLC, but I think she's in pretty good shape for a 20 year old box that saw daily use in a shop environment for the first 11 years of her life. The new roller bearing slides and clean standard ones make it feel so nice! The deeper drawers are all roller bearing and the top shallow drawers are the non-bearing ones. I wish they were all bearing slides, but it was the one that fit the budget at the time. (NOT!)
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Firefyter-Emt
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A couple more to show the grunge...
Before cleaning:
After cleaning:
And the nasty slides... The roller slides were tossed and all brand new ones installed.
Before cleaning:
After cleaning:
And the nasty slides... The roller slides were tossed and all brand new ones installed.
Red Leader
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Hey so I just thought I would let you know that I visited your webpage and I noticed it had some dead links
-RL
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http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=440249
Thought you might enjoy this link, as a true New Englander. Great shop, BTW.
Thought you might enjoy this link, as a true New Englander. Great shop, BTW.
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Firefyter-Emt
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Well guys.... this *****. It looks like we will be moving before I finish my shop. We have been working with our bank for a little while to re-work out loan and it's just not working out. You would think that will all the bank mess, they would want to work with someone who want's to keep a house. We have been home owners since we were 19, and now just shy of 40, we might have to find a house to rent for a few years. Our plan is to buy again after the economy reset's a bit and we have some time to get back on track. We bought this house at a high price back in the early 2000's and it's lost close to a 1/3 to 1/2 the value in that time. It's just been getting harder the last few years, and the house need's more and more as the years go. In the end, I want more of a house and it's just time to sell it out and try to get out from under it. However, the homes just don't bring what they used to, so selling to buy again just can't happen.
There is the option of my parent's house that has been in our family since the mid 1800's as well. Dad just hit 70 and is on O2, so that is in the back out our heads as well. Mom would need help getting around because she does not drive. The house needs more room for our family of 7, but without a home loan, it frees up money to add on. The down side, is to move back to a town that has more of an urban setting, but has a couple acres that is remote. I am keeping this in the back of my head... it's not my first choice of a place to move to, but it's a nice house and goes back three generations. Plus, it would solve the problem of what to do with Mom if Dad dies in the next 5 or so years... (Not looking forward to that at all!)
Either way, we are looking to rent, and at the very least, it will have to have a basement that can be used as a shop, better yet a garage. My tools will stay, even if I have to store them at my Dad's or Sisters place.
It *****, but my job is secure, my family is whole, and we will reboot. I guess I will have to give up our chickens and may not be able to garden as I have in the past. (I may very well plant at Mom & Dad's though...) I have maintained a 25'x50' garden for years, and hate to loose that.
Well, sorry to vent.... but it feels a bit better to vent a bit. I really don't want to tell friends and family that we are selling the house and home to just get out from under it, and fine a place to rent. I just can't get past the feeling of failure, you know?
There is the option of my parent's house that has been in our family since the mid 1800's as well. Dad just hit 70 and is on O2, so that is in the back out our heads as well. Mom would need help getting around because she does not drive. The house needs more room for our family of 7, but without a home loan, it frees up money to add on. The down side, is to move back to a town that has more of an urban setting, but has a couple acres that is remote. I am keeping this in the back of my head... it's not my first choice of a place to move to, but it's a nice house and goes back three generations. Plus, it would solve the problem of what to do with Mom if Dad dies in the next 5 or so years... (Not looking forward to that at all!)
Either way, we are looking to rent, and at the very least, it will have to have a basement that can be used as a shop, better yet a garage. My tools will stay, even if I have to store them at my Dad's or Sisters place.
It *****, but my job is secure, my family is whole, and we will reboot. I guess I will have to give up our chickens and may not be able to garden as I have in the past. (I may very well plant at Mom & Dad's though...) I have maintained a 25'x50' garden for years, and hate to loose that.
Well, sorry to vent.... but it feels a bit better to vent a bit. I really don't want to tell friends and family that we are selling the house and home to just get out from under it, and fine a place to rent. I just can't get past the feeling of failure, you know?
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Yes, you would think the banks would want to keep a customer who wants to service their debt obligations as well as having a job. But no, we all get stuck bailing out the banks when they get into trouble with their speculations in the markets. Then there are the Bernie Madoffs of the world who get kid glove treatment and still don't have to pay for their credit sins ( Bernie will die in Jail) Bernie had a Ponzi scheme which flushed $50 Billion down the toilet. $50 Billion and the Banks didn't clue in . Yah right - feed that line of "Sh..t" to someone else. I wish I could assist in some way, other than this rant.
Red Leader
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Wow, very sorry to hear this.
I'm a total newb at this house stuff. When a house is only worth 1/2 of its price, does that change the payments? Sounds like whatever happens, it doesn't work out in the homeowner's favor.
I'm really glad you get to keep the tools. If your shop was in jeopardy and I was closer, I would have had absolutely no problem storing some stuff for you until things shake out, but I'm glad that it sounds like you might have an even better solution than that.
Keep us posted on what happens, please.
-Dave
I'm a total newb at this house stuff. When a house is only worth 1/2 of its price, does that change the payments? Sounds like whatever happens, it doesn't work out in the homeowner's favor.
I'm really glad you get to keep the tools. If your shop was in jeopardy and I was closer, I would have had absolutely no problem storing some stuff for you until things shake out, but I'm glad that it sounds like you might have an even better solution than that.
Keep us posted on what happens, please.
-Dave
JimVonBaden
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Unfortunately the value of the house means nothing to the payments. I own two up side down houses, and my payments are still the same.
Jim
Jim
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Firefyter-Emt
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Thanks guys... it does ****. Like Jim said, that is the problem with the whole housing bubble, people were still buying homes even though they were very expensive compared to what they cost not all too long back. This combined with some unexpected "every day" hard expenses, put us where we needed to try to modify the loan. The problem is that they don't want to work with us the way we needed it to be done. So I either get a credit card and float a huge chunk of cash on that, and pay more monthly than we want to, or we sell it. The problem with selling it is we have been at this location for just 8 years and may come close to breaking even with the new crashed prices. However, unless the homes skyrocket in the next 5 years, we should be able to save some money and buy a better house for less than our old one was loaned for.
That and our house needs things like new siding and the furnace should be replaced... so we have some heavy cash that should be put into it in the next 5 years, making it look even worse on paper. There are a LOT or really nice homes for rent (with garages) for less than we are paying now... With all luck, we are living in a nice single family, with some land and a garage while we save up some for a down payment. We "could" make a chunk on the resale, but I highly doubt it.
The worst part is the mental game, My wife and I were married at 18 (high school sweethearts) and bought our first house at 19... We have been married for 20 years now. It's going to be hard renting because of that, but I think it will be the right thing in the long run.
Dave, thanks for the offer, but all will be good. Worst case I have to store them at my parents or baby sister, but both of their shops tend to rust tools, so I really hope the new place has a shop. It's kind of a mandatory thing, on top of the shop tools, I have at least my one good Massey Ferguson and the Troy-Bilt tiller that I will not part with. I can store the Hydro Massey and the rest of the yard tools are not "must retain" stuff, but those two must stay.
I will still update, who knows... I may get a better shop! Right now I have been taking off parts of my band saw and painting them... Kinda a medium green that is not the exact color, but it an odd way, I like it!
That and our house needs things like new siding and the furnace should be replaced... so we have some heavy cash that should be put into it in the next 5 years, making it look even worse on paper. There are a LOT or really nice homes for rent (with garages) for less than we are paying now... With all luck, we are living in a nice single family, with some land and a garage while we save up some for a down payment. We "could" make a chunk on the resale, but I highly doubt it.
The worst part is the mental game, My wife and I were married at 18 (high school sweethearts) and bought our first house at 19... We have been married for 20 years now. It's going to be hard renting because of that, but I think it will be the right thing in the long run.
Dave, thanks for the offer, but all will be good. Worst case I have to store them at my parents or baby sister, but both of their shops tend to rust tools, so I really hope the new place has a shop. It's kind of a mandatory thing, on top of the shop tools, I have at least my one good Massey Ferguson and the Troy-Bilt tiller that I will not part with. I can store the Hydro Massey and the rest of the yard tools are not "must retain" stuff, but those two must stay.
I will still update, who knows... I may get a better shop! Right now I have been taking off parts of my band saw and painting them... Kinda a medium green that is not the exact color, but it an odd way, I like it!
smschriefer
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So sorry to hear about this. The real estate bubble got a number of us. Mine isn't so bad. I am only at even keel and maybe a little south of that after 8 years myself. I'll just keep plugging on and hopefully the market will right itself. I could right the ship from savings, but I have no idea if the market has hit bottom. On a good note for me, the neighbor just moved and his house sold in 3 days. I don't know what the selling price was, but it moved fast and I find that encouraging.
It sounds like you have a few plans in place. The parents sound like a good option, but that is always difficult. I wish you the best and hope you find something that meets your needs soon.
It sounds like you have a few plans in place. The parents sound like a good option, but that is always difficult. I wish you the best and hope you find something that meets your needs soon.
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Firefyter-Emt
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Ok... enough crying in my soup, you guys want shop photos, right! I had recently started a little paint work on my 16" Walker Turner bandsaw. I seriously debated painting it the original color, but that is a custom mix and will push the $50 or more range. So I decided on a green that I kind of like the more I see it. It will be my only green tool in the shop when I am done, so I guess one can slip in. Here is a preview of the upper door and blade cover I shot the other day, what do you all think?
It does look better in person.
So in between some paint work on the bandsaw, I am going to try to get my 1947 Unisaw working. The original 1.5hp RI bullet motor needs work, and that work gets expensive. My plan is to keep the motor, and someday have it gone through to get it back in the saw. But for now, I want to get the saw working so that I can give it a quick refurb and get rid of my Craftsman bench saw. The problem with the replacement motors sold in this frame size, is that they hit the sheet metal cabinet and requires cutting. With my saw, I have the rare "goose egg" cast iron motor cover. I must retain this, so the replacement motor is out. (Plus, I am cheap... remember?) I have a very solid and heavy, cast iron Delco motor that is 3/4 hp. Kinda weak, but with old school rating, may be closer to a 1hp motor. The motor mount bolts on, so it is easily removed so I can carefully weld new brackets to the motor. IF I screw it up, it's not a huge deal, the motor has been kicking around for years.
Here are some saw shots... The Uni-motor is the one with the hanging brackets in the foreground. As you can see, it's a serious saw... that is really set up for three belts!
As you see, it's a big motor! That one beside it is no light weight either, both heavy cast iron beasts! The Delco motor also has nice bearing oil ports that I hope to be able to clock the motor so that they are upright.
Here you can see where the motor get's it's name from. Also a sneak shot inside the brush end of a Repulsion Induction motor. Both motors will look awesome with black bell ends and gray centers. (PS, note the tape measure for size)
And a couple saw shots. I love a simple saw, 4 bolts and the top is fully off! It does make it loads easier to align the miter slot and blade up.
One more with the motor in the saw.... like I said, it's a huge motor!
It does look better in person.
So in between some paint work on the bandsaw, I am going to try to get my 1947 Unisaw working. The original 1.5hp RI bullet motor needs work, and that work gets expensive. My plan is to keep the motor, and someday have it gone through to get it back in the saw. But for now, I want to get the saw working so that I can give it a quick refurb and get rid of my Craftsman bench saw. The problem with the replacement motors sold in this frame size, is that they hit the sheet metal cabinet and requires cutting. With my saw, I have the rare "goose egg" cast iron motor cover. I must retain this, so the replacement motor is out. (Plus, I am cheap... remember?) I have a very solid and heavy, cast iron Delco motor that is 3/4 hp. Kinda weak, but with old school rating, may be closer to a 1hp motor. The motor mount bolts on, so it is easily removed so I can carefully weld new brackets to the motor. IF I screw it up, it's not a huge deal, the motor has been kicking around for years.
Here are some saw shots... The Uni-motor is the one with the hanging brackets in the foreground. As you can see, it's a serious saw... that is really set up for three belts!
As you see, it's a big motor! That one beside it is no light weight either, both heavy cast iron beasts! The Delco motor also has nice bearing oil ports that I hope to be able to clock the motor so that they are upright.
Here you can see where the motor get's it's name from. Also a sneak shot inside the brush end of a Repulsion Induction motor. Both motors will look awesome with black bell ends and gray centers. (PS, note the tape measure for size)
And a couple saw shots. I love a simple saw, 4 bolts and the top is fully off! It does make it loads easier to align the miter slot and blade up.
One more with the motor in the saw.... like I said, it's a huge motor!
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sids04
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Nice work
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Firefyter-Emt
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Well, I have been working on the saw a bit to get a motor into her. I had planned to use a smaller motor, but bit the bullet and stole the one of my Craftsman saw to use. It's small for a Unisaw, but it's a nice 1hp motor from the 1950's and I never had a problem with it on my Craftsman saw. I had to make some brackets first. (Steel cut out of a damaged Jeep front bumper) Then I welded a temp brace between them in order to allow me to ratchet strap the motor in place to obtain the position that would allow everything to clear and line up the best. Once that was done, the brackets were welded in place, leaving plenty of time in between welds for it to cool. A wire junction box was added, and the motor had it's final test fit with the goose egg cover in place. Everything was perfect, so I gave the motor a coat of paint and called it a night. I have to pick up a smaller pulley for the new 3450rpm motor, but that is an easy step. I also took the time tonight to rewire the entire saw with new wire and plugs.
I have a new blade nut on order, and by the time it's here, I hope to have the saw sanded down and a new coat of paint on it. The saw is in awesome shape, and well cared for, so I am only giving it a new exterior paint job and leaving the insides intact.
After it's painted and cleaned up, I only need the Delta tag for the dust door to finish it off. I am also planning to add a small extension wing at the end to mount my Porter Cable router in an aftermarket router plate.
A very close fit, and this is the ONLY place it cleared 100% I used the ratchet strap so that I could rotate the motor around and find what position the wire junction box would clear at all positions.
This is what makes it all worth the effort... With a replacement motor, this rare cast iron cover will not fit, and the cabinet has to be cut up. It took me just an evening to make the brackets and get the motor set up. I even had a spare Craftsman motor that I can put on my old Craftsman saw (granted, a smaller HP) so that it can be sold off. I can't wait to get this saw useable... it's only been in my shop for about a year, year and an half maybe.
I have a new blade nut on order, and by the time it's here, I hope to have the saw sanded down and a new coat of paint on it. The saw is in awesome shape, and well cared for, so I am only giving it a new exterior paint job and leaving the insides intact.
After it's painted and cleaned up, I only need the Delta tag for the dust door to finish it off. I am also planning to add a small extension wing at the end to mount my Porter Cable router in an aftermarket router plate.
A very close fit, and this is the ONLY place it cleared 100% I used the ratchet strap so that I could rotate the motor around and find what position the wire junction box would clear at all positions.
This is what makes it all worth the effort... With a replacement motor, this rare cast iron cover will not fit, and the cabinet has to be cut up. It took me just an evening to make the brackets and get the motor set up. I even had a spare Craftsman motor that I can put on my old Craftsman saw (granted, a smaller HP) so that it can be sold off. I can't wait to get this saw useable... it's only been in my shop for about a year, year and an half maybe.
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Red Leader
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Lookin' good!
Not too many guys around here with Unis...nice to see another.
So...what is the deal with the bullet? What are the issues?
Those motors go for good money. Throw it up for sale on the OWWM classified forum for a decent price and it will be gone in a day, if not hours. Those old 'bullet' style motors, especially in the 1.5HP configuration AND single phase are extremely sought after.
Glad your keeping the goose egg on there and without modification to the cabinet. I've seen some horror pictures of chopped up cabinets *shiver*.
My two Unis are technically sold and it will be nice when they are out of the garage because I'll regain quite a bit of floor space. I'll be able to focus my attention all on the Craftsman cabinet saw
Not too many guys around here with Unis...nice to see another.
So...what is the deal with the bullet? What are the issues?
Those motors go for good money. Throw it up for sale on the OWWM classified forum for a decent price and it will be gone in a day, if not hours. Those old 'bullet' style motors, especially in the 1.5HP configuration AND single phase are extremely sought after.
Glad your keeping the goose egg on there and without modification to the cabinet. I've seen some horror pictures of chopped up cabinets *shiver*.
My two Unis are technically sold and it will be nice when they are out of the garage because I'll regain quite a bit of floor space. I'll be able to focus my attention all on the Craftsman cabinet saw
billybudge
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That is great restoration work,nice attention to detail, keep up the good work.
well done.
well done.
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Firefyter-Emt
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I am not really sure with the uni motor... it's the 1.5 signal phase too. The brushes look good and I re-grooved the communicator ring. Right now, I think it may be that centrifugal clutch that is not kicking in. The saw would start up (faster after re-cutting the communicator grooves, but still slow) and it just had no torque. Everywhere I looked, had me around $100 just to look at it, and upwards of $400 to repair it if a lot of work was needed. The hard part was finding anyone who knew what a bullet motor even was! If they did not know, I would not even think of bringing it to them.
There is also a chance the motor is not clocked to the bell ends properly, I have no idea if the prior owner opened it up to look at it. For now, I have not damaged anything that can not be undone, in fact, the craftsman motor has that aluminum trim and a bolt on mount plate. I can cut my brackets off, and put the trim and original mount back on if I wanted. Although, I think it's worth much more to sell a modified motor that would bolt onto a Unisaw.
I know what you mean about the goose egg, that was my top priority!
There is also a chance the motor is not clocked to the bell ends properly, I have no idea if the prior owner opened it up to look at it. For now, I have not damaged anything that can not be undone, in fact, the craftsman motor has that aluminum trim and a bolt on mount plate. I can cut my brackets off, and put the trim and original mount back on if I wanted. Although, I think it's worth much more to sell a modified motor that would bolt onto a Unisaw.
I know what you mean about the goose egg, that was my top priority!
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Grizz1963
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Just found this thread.... suspect we could be related in some areas.....
Love your tools.
Your detailing and restoration is amazing.
I have a rather large wood lathe and some other tools which all need to resto touch some time.
Guys like you do inspire me though, so I know my finish will be of a decent standard.
This thread includes my tools :
http://www.retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=othrmod&action=display&thread=115998
And a thread I run on all the Free stuff I pick up in various places.
http://www.retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=othrmod&action=display&thread=89875
Love your tools.
Your detailing and restoration is amazing.
I have a rather large wood lathe and some other tools which all need to resto touch some time.
Guys like you do inspire me though, so I know my finish will be of a decent standard.
This thread includes my tools :
http://www.retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=othrmod&action=display&thread=115998
And a thread I run on all the Free stuff I pick up in various places.
http://www.retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=othrmod&action=display&thread=89875
OP
Firefyter-Emt
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Thanks for the kind words! For me, the detail is second nature... I used to work as an auto repair tech in the auto body field. High end work is what I am used to, so a very good paint job is not that hard for me. Heck, if I had to cash to throw around, just think how nice I could make them look with car paint! All of this stuff was either spray can, or at the best, farm & fleet paint sprayed with a gun!
Anyway, today I hammered down and really went to town on the saw. I have the saw up and running with the new motor, but I had to go up 3/4" on the motor pulley size over what it should have. I was not able to clear the casting with the belt with a smaller pulley. For the 3450 motor, I should have a 3.25" pulley, 4.00" was the smallest I could go with. This brought my blade speed up a full 900 rpm! I am now at 4600 rpm. but the Freud blade is rated for 7000 rpm, so I hope to be safe. Without the blade, the saw seems just fine running that high. I just hope that the higher rpm on a 1hp motor has enough torque at that speed. Only one way to tell though!
So anyway, after I had the motor sorted out and the saw running on it's own, I decided that I was going to paint it up while it's apart. The good thing is the saw is new mint and does not require any body work or welding. The insides are clean enough to blow it out and leave it as is. So I removed the hand wheels, tags, and went to town stripping it. I had planned to just sand it, but it was faster to strip it with a wire wheel and then hit it with a DA sander. AS of right now, I have the cabinet in primer along with the dust door and the switch box.
And after a coat of primer....
I did spray a coat of gray on the goose-egg, but it's a bit darker than this shows. I am going to spray the saw in Massey Ferguson gray, which is darker than the OE... but it's my saw, so there! I am debating picking up a quart of paint and spraying it with a gun.
Once the primer dries up a bit, I am going to fire up the oven and powder coat the knobs that lock the hand wheels. I have some nice textured powder coat if memory serves me right. I am also working on polishing the hand wheels before I paint them.
One everything is done, I can turn my sights on the top. I am not going to go crazy and repaint the whole underside, because this is a working saw, not a show piece. I would love to find a good replacement for it, because it had a power feeder bolted to the top and one extension in it's past. I will bevel the holes and fill them with JB weld for now. It *****, but what can you do?
Anyway, today I hammered down and really went to town on the saw. I have the saw up and running with the new motor, but I had to go up 3/4" on the motor pulley size over what it should have. I was not able to clear the casting with the belt with a smaller pulley. For the 3450 motor, I should have a 3.25" pulley, 4.00" was the smallest I could go with. This brought my blade speed up a full 900 rpm! I am now at 4600 rpm. but the Freud blade is rated for 7000 rpm, so I hope to be safe. Without the blade, the saw seems just fine running that high. I just hope that the higher rpm on a 1hp motor has enough torque at that speed. Only one way to tell though!
So anyway, after I had the motor sorted out and the saw running on it's own, I decided that I was going to paint it up while it's apart. The good thing is the saw is new mint and does not require any body work or welding. The insides are clean enough to blow it out and leave it as is. So I removed the hand wheels, tags, and went to town stripping it. I had planned to just sand it, but it was faster to strip it with a wire wheel and then hit it with a DA sander. AS of right now, I have the cabinet in primer along with the dust door and the switch box.
And after a coat of primer....
I did spray a coat of gray on the goose-egg, but it's a bit darker than this shows. I am going to spray the saw in Massey Ferguson gray, which is darker than the OE... but it's my saw, so there! I am debating picking up a quart of paint and spraying it with a gun.
Once the primer dries up a bit, I am going to fire up the oven and powder coat the knobs that lock the hand wheels. I have some nice textured powder coat if memory serves me right. I am also working on polishing the hand wheels before I paint them.
One everything is done, I can turn my sights on the top. I am not going to go crazy and repaint the whole underside, because this is a working saw, not a show piece. I would love to find a good replacement for it, because it had a power feeder bolted to the top and one extension in it's past. I will bevel the holes and fill them with JB weld for now. It *****, but what can you do?