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Adrien

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I skipped ahead to the end, and it doesn't look much better than what he had to begin with...

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I didn't read all of the thread, but I looked at all the photos. I'm not knocking the guys work & the effort etc, but the construction design is what confuses me.
My parents used to have a 4 storey house in the UK & the footings didn't go that deep. Then there was the floor design, no idea why he didn't pour on grade, it's done all the time in the UK.
 

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He says it's building regs because of the clay he's building on, but you're right, those look about eight feet deep...

I'm most confused as to why he has footers on three sides rather than four.
 

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Someone needs to contact him and get him to sign up to GJ. Then have him explain the build. The floor system he put in should be strong enough to hold a tank (or two). My God, talk about overkill.

He says it's building regs because of the clay he's building on, but you're right, those look about eight feet deep...

I would think the clay base would be more stable that sandy or loam bases that are built on around here in the States. And the footing looks like way overkill. Hell, that should hold a ten story building.

And I'm also surprised that he didn't burn down half the neighborhood with the bonfire he had and so close to the bushes.

I think what it boils down to is that it looks like a cluster**** so far. :spit:
 

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I'm not sure if this needs spoiler tags or anything, but the poor bloke gets divorced halfway through!

Jesus what a read
 

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Uhhggg...I couldn't live like that (tight cluttered quarters)



I think what it boils down to is that it looks like a cluster**** so far. :spit:

Agreed.

I don't know. Seems like the guy did things the hard way going about that floor. He did a ton of work overall.
 
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I'm most confused as to why he has footers on three sides rather than four.

The fourth side is the door side, my guess is maybe they only require footing under the sides that bare weight?

What's amazing to me is that on pg 17 he says he's getting divorced, about 2 weeks later, next page, he's back on track building the walls up... he doesn't say if the garage build was part of the issue, but she was posting in the thread early on...
 
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WOW, that was a long term build indeed!!! lol Ive built 40x80 garages from dirt to finished in just a matter of 2 weeks with 2 people working on it!!!! And thats with a 10/12 pitched roof!!!!
 
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I had a quick scan through the build and I feel a bit sorry for the guy because he must have been given some bad advice and guidance. I have worked in civil engineering and construction in the UK most of my life and I have never seen building regulations wanting such an overkill solution. I am sure if he had hired a competent engineer they could have designed a more sensible footing and floor.

At the end of the day the building inspector is covering his **** but if he has a plan in front of him signed off by a Chartered Engineer, he will have a very hard time rejecting it.
 

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I'm not sure if this needs spoiler tags or anything, but the poor bloke gets divorced halfway through!

Jesus what a read

Yup but, all is good though. It sounds like after reading posts on page 23, he now has a girlfriend...9 months later...not bad:) Not sure if I'd call stick-built garages on this site glorified sheds though...
 

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Didn't get all the way through but I have had the same conditions imposed on me for a proposed extension and garage build.
His problem is the size of the build and not having professional help.
The Local authority will not admit it or quite possibly, the planning office don't have a clue, but once you get over a certain size, it seems to trigger a flag with environmental control.
My garage is approx 44sq. metres, the extension, 15sq. metres- thats 473 and 161 square feet for those across the pond! Due, according to environmental monitoring, an area of 'infilled ground' less than 250 metres (820 feet) away, these SOB's applies a condition to the grant of planning permission that required me to undertake 'gas' monitoring. :confused:
This would have involved sinking a number of deep holes into the ground (upto 10M-32ft)and taking samples over a six week period after which a report would be written and then sent on to Environmetal control. They would then liase with building control/planning and tell me how I could build it.WTF?:headscrat
You could imagine how pissed I was as I was looking at about £5K in costs for this alone and I estimated at about a 10-12 week delay whilst deliberations and recommendations were made. This delay would also add in additional cost to the overall programme which I guesstimated to be over £2700 in accomodation cost alone:shocking:
It was even worse when I discovered that these conditions had not been applied to anyone else in the last 10 years- not even those living directly opposite the ground in question when they had built extensions:mad: The fact that I was only 12 metres (40 ft) inside the limit made it all the more intolerable.:mad::mad:
After a particularly bad tempered telephone call with some horrible dickless jobsworth, I got a little tidbit of information and with prompt action by my architect, managed to avoid the gas sampling but instead had to install a gas membrane and what is known as a beam & block floor. The Foundations are to be 1.8M (6ft) at the shallowest point incresing to 2.4M (8ft) at their deepest. However this was due mainly to the proximity of certain types of tree rather than ground type.
The garage too was due to have the same floor construction. However, I argued that since it was a non habitable space, this was not required. I won that round :)
I had an engineer design a reinforced floating slab to allow for the percieved risk of heave. The inspecting building control officer signed off without a hitch & the slab has since been poured.
A chance conversation with my elderly neigbour reveled that the area of infilled ground was once a pond in the grounds of a large mansion on which he used to skate as a boy. It was filled in, in 1938!!
I beleive that if he had used the services of an architect and a structural engineer to design possibly a floating slab, his costs could have been halved and the project could have run far smoother. Just my 0.2 based on experience!
 

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That's what the building regs called for, I'd have moved.

Except that the size of his backyard seems to be rather unique to England (which is where I'm guessing he's at).

Someone needs to contact him and get him to sign up to GJ. Then have him explain the build. The floor system he put in should be strong enough to hold a tank (or two). My God, talk about overkill.

I would think the clay base would be more stable that sandy or loam bases that are built on around here in the States. And the footing looks like way overkill. Hell, that should hold a ten story building.

And I'm also surprised that he didn't burn down half the neighborhood with the bonfire he had and so close to the bushes.

I think what it boils down to is that it looks like a cluster**** so far. :spit:

It's not the base material but how far to undisturbed soil. It's rare in the US to have that much infill which is why we aren't used to it, however in Europe it's fairly common. As far as the footing, it looks about right. The one I poured for my 2 story house was right at 24" wide IIRC.

I'm suprised he was allowed to have a bonfire honestly. Yeah it's a bit close to the bushes, but if they are kept wet it wouldn't be too big a deal.
 

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thegaragebuilderguyonthatotherforum said:
Just been having a browse through that garage journal site Baz, and although the size of many of the garages is pretty damn impressive, to me a lot of them are just overgrown sheds being of timber construction. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't light my fire like a good old fashioned brick build garage does!

LOL.. Difference is they are built in 1/689th of the time and cost, and actually see use. I'm just saying! :beer:
 
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LOL.. Difference is they are built in 1/689th of the time and cost, and actually see use. I'm just saying! :beer:

When I've had family visiting from the UK they've been amazed at the amount of wood used in US construction..... & then when they find out the price difference it makes sense. Construction costs in the UK are absolutely ridiculous.
 

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His problem is the size of the build and not having professional help.

:+1:

A downstand beam raft is the minimally imaginative interpretation of the regs by some jobsworth. That's the point at which you find an engineer.

The less said about stick building the better...
 

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LOL.. Difference is they are built in 1/689th of the time and cost, and actually see use. I'm just saying! :beer:

I agree.

Also, you avoid a divorce and with all the savings you can afford better toys to put in your new garage and take your wife on vacation... I'm just sayin ;) :lol_hitti
 

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I like the guy's garage build. The building has character. It's not the typical 2x4 stud wall covered with vinyl siding we in the states build.

He is obviously a guy who likes to do as much as he can by himself. The soil is horrible, he dug down until he hit solid ground which explains the deep footings. Also with the floor design all of the weight is resting on the footings and since he used brick and block it needed to support the weight. He could have put in wider footings but that would have taken a design from a Professional Engineer (P.E.) He could have used grade beams in the floor and poured a solid floor but again that would take a design from a P.E., not to mention a large crew to dig the footings, lay the rebar needed and pour the 6 or so grade beams needed. The pre engineered floor he used is something that he could install himself. I see he sealed it off with a thin layer of concrete, fantastic. The beams flex a little and may crack the floor but maybe he used fiber mesh concrete?

Just because it's different from the way we do it in the states doesn't mean it's bad.
 

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We build things to lastin the uk , bricks last a lot longer than timber !
Unfortunatly over here in the uk we suffer from buildings inspectors that haven't got a Fu####g clue they have to reffer to their handbook for every little detail . I extended my garage had everything approved by an inspector from drawings , the problems started when the stick built roof went up , all of a sudden half the timber had to go from 5x2 to 8x3 because it didn't look right!!! All I will say is the s### head isn't an inspector anymore and I got a nice pay out from the local council for cost's incurred . To the point the guy got some bad advice plus over here if you have a shrub growing within 200 foot of your property let alone a tree they dictate that you have to have enough concrete in your footings to build a freeway bridge.
 
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