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Jtels85

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So a couple of years ago before anyone really knew Ace Hardware sold Craftsman, I took a bunch of random trips and scored a lot of NOS USA Made Tools all across the state of OH and KY.

I’m on vacation at the moment and the two Ace’s stores I hit are like the ones at home... they’ve all purged their “Sears” Craftsman products in favor of the Craftsman ******** that’s carried at Lowe’s.

Have all Ace stores done this change over in the past year or are there any hold outs where you guys live? I have 5 stores mapped out on my drive home today and don’t necessarily want to waste my time if they’ve all done this.

Thanks!
 
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The only way you are going to find made in USA Craftsman tools is if you go to stores that don't have a lot of customers. Craftsman tools haven't been made in the USA in awhile. They were being made in China well before Stanley Black and Decker bought em. Honestly the last years of the USA made stuff aren't any better quality than the made in China stuff.
 

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I've been to stores that still have a few Craftsman USA tools remaining. The prices that I've seen at Ace are typically similar to the price of Williams and Proto from Zoro with a 20% off coupon and free shipping.

What are you doing with all the Craftsman stuff from all the Ace Hardwares in 2 states?? Ebay?
 
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HJ Epsteins still has some of the older Craftsman USA stuff, as well as Husky equivalents.
 

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The Sears Craftsman stuff has been China or Taiwan sourced through Apex Tool Group for 8+ years. That has nothing to do with Stanley. Stanley has merely caused a switch in what China/Taiwan factories are used for their refreshed catalog.
 

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The ACE Hardware stores and Lowes in my area sell the same Craftsman tools. Hang tags and SKU numbers are the same.
 

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So a couple of years ago before anyone really knew Ace Hardware sold Craftsman, I took a bunch of random trips and scored a lot of NOS USA Made Tools all across the state of OH and KY.
I’m on vacation at the moment and the two Ace’s stores I hit are like the ones at home... they’ve all purged their “Sears” Craftsman products in favor of the Craftsman ******** that’s carried at Lowe’s.
Have all Ace stores done this change over in the past year or are there any hold outs where you guys live? I have 5 stores mapped out on my drive home today and don’t necessarily want to waste my time if they’ve all done this. Thanks!
I did the same ^ although back around 2011/2012, at the Sears stores throughout our western Michigan county & a few adjacent counties, approx 8+ years ago---right after Apex Tool Group started flooding Sears & Ace with the China/Taiwan Crapsman---as @Skin accurately pointed out above ^.
Our local Ace Hardware stores also started stocking the Crapsman tools back in 2011/2012; that's what actually caused me to notice that Craftsman had turned into Crapsman from China/Taiwan.

However I did find an Ace in a small town last year, in April 2019, who's Craftsman aisle was mostly NOS 'Made in USA' ! Of which I nearly cleaned it out of, just buying misc sockets, wrenches, extensions/adapters, nut drivers, impacts &c, for a nephew in the Army, as well as a few sizes I was missing-- in my Craftsman tool collection inherited from my Father.

That store ^ still has some NOS 'Made in USA' 1/2" impact sockets, plus a few ratchet wrenches, and one box of: 3/4" Metric 9-pc Socket Set [22~30mm] still for sale (see my profile album).
 
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Wasn't Stanley/Black&Decker supposed to start making Craftsman in the USA somewhere? Did that ever materialize?
A Lowe's tool dept employee, last week, said that they already are making some power tools in Texas, but no hand tools as yet, that he's aware of.
I think I saw some blog articles---about Craftsman manuf moving back to U.S.---on the toolguyd site.
 
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Actually more than the last few.

Total BS. The USA-made combo wrenches were infinitely better than the imported garbage. And I mean the very last damn wrench to roll off Danaher's USA factory's line, circa 2011. You could literally spot the difference in quality from two feet away. The worst was the pry bar COO change later. The imported ones were brutal. They were like dangerous toys.

When on the road through the Southwest, I would do the same thing. Typically, it was the ACE Hardwares in rural areas that were connected to a grocery or gardening store that had the most USA old stock. Less traffic. There was a really solid one in Johnson City, TX, I'd got to when heading back to the West Coast. Tucson had a solid Ace location with great old-stock selection, circa 2017. I really lament the decline of CMan's quality. Luckily, I'm well stocked. I've since moved onto SK and Proto.
 
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I bought every hand tool they had in the master set in 81, the wrenches were tuff but lobster claw then and I was kind of disappointed they were not the same as my old ones. They tried to go Taiwan then but there was a huge kickback. The sockets were real bad, busted 1 or 2 out of every set then and in e er other set I bought in to the early 90's
That modern cheap evolve ratchet was ahead of the pear job which is about the worst tool ever made considering how many they produced.
 

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So a couple of years ago before anyone really knew Ace Hardware sold Craftsman, I took a bunch of random trips and scored a lot of NOS USA Made Tools all across the state of OH and KY.



I’m on vacation at the moment and the two Ace’s stores I hit are like the ones at home... they’ve all purged their “Sears” Craftsman products in favor of the Craftsman ******** that’s carried at Lowe’s.



Have all Ace stores done this change over in the past year or are there any hold outs where you guys live? I have 5 stores mapped out on my drive home today and don’t necessarily want to waste my time if they’ve all done this.



Thanks!



Mine still has lots of the USA but they are slowly phasing it out as they sell more the manager told me they have plenty of screwdrivers but said recently the word has gotten around about the USA other stuff like sockets, hammers and wrenches and pry bars because it has sold a lot more and we are in a small town too. I always buy the NOS USA stuff the only thing they wont do is warranty it because they said Stanley doesn’t give them any credit when they do that so they won’t do it. I picked up a ball pein hammer and a full set of USA pry bars and a USA wrench a couple days ago and then I bought a bunch of sets of the USA screwdrivers all code AF WF which I think is the newest code they do make the screwdrivers still in the USA except the Stanley made ones since Sears still can produce them. I would buy all you can get I never got to buy any new besides the ones I am finding now because I was too young when they were still made in the USA and we rarely went to Sears and didn’t have an Ace at the time. The manager said he would set some to the side for me if they found anymore since I am a regular customer lol.


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My apologies, I should have better clarified my question.

I am well aware of the history of Craftsman and when they began outsourcing specific items, so I wasn’t requesting a history lesson. My knowledge of this topic is vast.

Several months back, a few of the Ace Hardware stores near me completely emptied their shelves of new old stock Sears sourced Craftsman USA and China products for the SB&D sourced Craftsman products (I don’t care if the SKU’s are the same, I know they are). The shelves basically went from black or gray packaging to bright *** red all over the tool aisle... basically, the same Craftsman garbage that can currently be found inside of Lowe’s. Other Ace stores at the time didn’t switch over and still had plenty of Sears sourced Craftsman stock on the shelves, including Chinese made and a little bit of USA new old stock.

My question was... at this point in time (July 2020), have all Ace stores pretty much depleted their Sears/Craftsman sourced inventory in favor of the New Stanley B&D Craftsman? I was asking because I was out of town and had several Ace stores to hit up on my 400 mile drive home. This time last year, I found a lot of NOS USA socket sets and wrenches at Ace stores that had been collecting dust for years (probably been there more than a decade before the outsourcing began)... that’s not the case anymore now that everyone and their brother knows Ace sells Craftsman. It used to be a dirty little secret that they did sell Craftsman, but word got out. I found several USA impact socket sets still sitting on the shelves of two Ace stores this time last year and bought all of them for several hundred dollars. All sockets stamped “Made In USA” with the little American flag on the packaging label.

So what I found during my drive home were 5 Ace Hardware stores. The first store had no Craftsman hand tools, purely Milwaukee. The next two stores had all converted to nothing but SB&D Craftsman in that bright *** red packaging. The next two stores closer to home had a mixture of Sears sourced Craftsman (Made in China) and SB&D Craftsman.

So yes, it would appear that most of the new old stock USA and China Craftsman tools sourced by Sears have been mostly depleted from Ace Hardware stores in favor of SB&D Craftsman.
 
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I won't go out of my way to seek out new Craftsman tools anymore. They seem like just any other brand to roll of the assembly line. This is a set of vice grips that my dad picked up for my son this past Christmas. Kind of tells the whole story.
 

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My apologies, I should have better clarified my question.

I am well aware of the history of Craftsman and when they began outsourcing specific items, so I wasn’t requesting a history lesson. My knowledge of this topic is vast.

Several months back, a few of the Ace Hardware stores near me completely emptied their shelves of new old stock Sears sourced Craftsman USA and China products for the SB&D sourced Craftsman products (I don’t care if the SKU’s are the same, I know they are). The shelves basically went from black or gray packaging to bright *** red all over the tool aisle... basically, the same Craftsman garbage that can currently be found inside of Lowe’s. Other Ace stores at the time didn’t switch over and still had plenty of Sears sourced Craftsman stock on the shelves, including Chinese made and a little bit of USA new old stock.

My question was... at this point in time (July 2020), have all Ace stores pretty much depleted their Sears/Craftsman sourced inventory in favor of the New Stanley B&D Craftsman? I was asking because I was out of town and had several Ace stores to hit up on my 400 mile drive home. This time last year, I found a lot of NOS USA socket sets and wrenches at Ace stores that had been collecting dust for years (probably been there more than a decade before the outsourcing began)... that’s not the case anymore now that everyone and their brother knows Ace sells Craftsman. It used to be a dirty little secret that they did sell Craftsman, but word got out. I found several USA impact socket sets still sitting on the shelves of two Ace stores this time last year and bought all of them for several hundred dollars. All sockets stamped “Made In USA” with the little American flag on the packaging label.

So what I found during my drive home were 5 Ace Hardware stores. The first store had no Craftsman hand tools, purely Milwaukee. The next two stores had all converted to nothing but SB&D Craftsman in that bright *** red packaging. The next two stores closer to home had a mixture of Sears sourced Craftsman (Made in China) and SB&D Craftsman.

So yes, it would appear that most of the new old stock USA and China Craftsman tools sourced by Sears have been mostly depleted from Ace Hardware stores in favor of SB&D Craftsman.



Yep when they run out of the USA at a certain location the Lowe’s stuff takes over unfortunately


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I've got two Aces stores withing 20 minutes of me. One switched from True Value to Ace about two years ago and never really had any USA Craftsman on the shelves. The other store did the Lowes/Stanley reset thing a few months ago.

I think it's a supply chain thing. The warehouses have finally run out of USA Craftsman
 

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I've got two Aces stores withing 20 minutes of me. One switched from True Value to Ace about two years ago and never really had any USA Craftsman on the shelves. The other store did the Lowes/Stanley reset thing a few months ago.

I think it's a supply chain thing. The warehouses have finally run out of USA Craftsman



Mine done the same when they were True Value they sold the Master Mechanic brand USA made I believe made by the same people who made the Craftsman USA sockets and wrenches because they looked a lot a like I have some of the old Master Mechanic tools I got there too. Then when they switched to Ace in 2017 they had put out a bunch of the USA stuff. I would also check your local Ollies if you have one I found a bunch there tonight when I went bought all they had and gave some to my friends and then am keeping the rest. They had screwdrivers, wrenches, sockets and a few hammers. And they had Chinese made drills I think it was.


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