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Adding a bathroom to a barn/shop

Bruce T

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I'm building a house currently and next month a new shop (34x48) and it will have water and a basic drain along with natural gas. The question is, what options do I have to add a bathroom (no shower) without running to the house septic. Its way too far away on the opposite side of the property. Not concerned about the legalities as I can do the work myself but would like some info on what others have done. Please discuss. Thanks.
 
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Charles (in GA)

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Put in another small septic system. Don't try the old 55 gal drum septic tank trick, you will regret it later when you have to dig it up. Best to stay on the legal side of your codes, get permits if needed, as you may have to sell someday (even if right now, you don't think you will ever move, circumstances change, you might have to).

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74-77Camaro

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My house is on City water but our small subdivision has aerobic septic systems, which are basically miniature water treatment plants. My home has a 500 gal system (treats 500 gallons a day), which pumps air into the tank to allow the aerobic bacteria to break down and clean the water. When the water level reaches a certain height, it is pumped out into three large sprinkler heads out in my back lot (where the garage will be going). The water is supposed to be 95% clean, and the City makes us keep chlorine tablets in the system so it's supposed to be 98% clean when it hits the sprinklers.

So what, you ask. I was discussing with my septic guy how could I hook the garage into the system. He said if it was him, he'd just get a 40 gal system and use that in the garage "and dont tell them" (the city, I guess).

They are compact and dont require lateral lines. The do require electricity for the pumps, tho. Google on aerobic septic systems. Just a thought.
 

Satatic

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We have put in a few septic systems for garages. Rarely do they need over 100 feet of line. Thats just 10 pipes and one dumptruck load of gravel. You can buy 300 gallon plastic septic tanks. The coolest one we did the guy had dug out a basement under the bathroom area in his barn and poured walls and a floor then built a floor overtop so everything was level with the rest of the building and all the plumbing was easily accessible from underneath.
 
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Royalblu

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Buy a composting toilet. No need for sewer at all. Not the prettiest but most likely cheaper than the other options.
As for the sink the drain should be defined as gray water and I think you can just run that out on the ground.
Not an expert by any means but something to think about.
James
 

Ryan Wilke

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Bruce,

Since you're in MI, you know that you will either need to heat the shop to keep the water supply and drain lines from freezing, correct?

Or, you can do as a friend of mine did, he has his water supply buried 5ft and then rising up inside the bathroom area, mounted all the piping on 2" blocks on the inside of the bathroom walls (prevents pipe sweat from damaging his drywall & it allows air circulation around the pipes). He doesn't heat his entire garage - only the bathroom, so all's well there. He also installed a water hose faucet in the bathroom. He didn't install a hot water heater - rather only has cold water at his hand basin.

Or, you can plan on running your pipes to allow you to drain the water out of them and not use it during the freezing months.

Or, you can blow ALL the water out of them (via an air compressor), and again, not use it during the freezing months.

Unless you plan to run your pipes like my friend did (on the inside of the wall board) try not to layout your bathroom piping inside an outside wall, as the pipes will be much more apt to freeze (even if their insulated and well heated) than if you would have it on an inside wall.

Personally, I don't heat my garage but I do have a "seasonal use" old double basin laundry tub to clean fish, wash boots, etc. - stuff I don't want to wash in the house. I also have a 20-gallon electric hot water heater (even tho I have natural gas at the house, I didn't want to deal with a vent stack & hole in my garage roof). The electric water heater is mounted on a shelf above the sink, making it easier to drain in the Fall. Since I don't have a need for hot water real often, I don't leave the power on it 24/7, rather turn it on and 30 minutes later I have hot water; when I'm done, I turn the heater back off. I installed a switch on the power supply to allow easy on & off operation, as needed. My water supply comes from my house and is controlled via an underground valve (similar to what most city supply lines have at the property line). The valve is accessed via a piece of PVC pipe to the surface, which allows it to be turned on & off with a 5' long fork wrench twice a year. A bird bath sits on top of the PVC stand pipe, making it easy to locate twice a year and I don't have to wrestle with a cap or cover. My supply water line from the valve to and into the garage drain back to the underground valve. When the valve is closed, it opens an exhaust port which allows the upland water to drain back & out and into the gravel that was placed around the underground valve. The wash tub is located on an outside wall and drains (without a trap - no chance of freezing now) thru the wall, down out into a 10' section of peforated drain pipe buried in gravel just below the grass. Because it isn't septic water, it doesn't stink.......

Why don't I have a toilet in my garage?
1) Because I didn't want to give up the necessary garage space (I don't have enough now!) that a bathroom would of taken up (my tub sink doesn't need walls),
2) I didn't want to mess with any sort of septic system that had to deal with solids,
3) A urnal could of been installed, but then I'd need to remember to dump RV antifreeze in the trap & I'd be back to at least half walls, and
4) I sure don't need any more additional weekly cleaning chores!

Good Luck!
RW :beer:
 

trainer

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My plumber was going to install a grey water pit for a sink and a floor drain, but the building inspector nixed the idea.
Apparently its a new code here that if a sanitary sewer is available, then it has to be connected.

Connecting to the sewer would be a major expense.

The floor is already poured and the drain is installed, so we've decided to just cap the drain for now to save the hassle.
 
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Bruce T

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Freeland, Michigan
The shop is going to be heated (overhead radiant) but not till the spring/summer. I need to be sure I have enough in the budget to get the wiring and insulation done by this winter. I'll probably skip the bathroom. Nothing is easy and I dont want to have a shady setup. I'll just make use of the back door and behind the barn and go inside for "other" stuff. I just always have people over drinking beer and thought it would be nice to have in a perfect world. I hate getting going on a project and having to go inside for another "project" to be completed. Would'nt want to dirty up the new house.
 
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