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Adding a sub-panel to my garage myself

tjeick

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Last fall I added a 100 amp sub-panel to my garage, which required upgrading my main panel & service to 200 amp. It took a lot of work and a lot of research on forums like this, so I thought I would try to give back with whatever I remember.

I suppose the most logical place to start is from where the power comes in from the power company. I used 2” grey PVC and 3 separate THHN wires, I believe they were 00 aka ”2-ought” copper. I used one clamp before the meter to hold my conduit up straight and screwed it straight through my siding into the sheathing. The screws I bought were actually too long, the last inch near the head was unthreaded and that was all I needed lol. I spoke a lot with my local inspector about a lot of things, he was a super helpful guy. One of those things was the weatherhead. Code is 12 ft I think, but the original from 1969 was only at 10 ft. It was positioned so that to get up to 12, I would have needed to go through my roof overhang. He didn’t make me do that because the house is up on a hill and the transformer is up pretty high as well.

The power company was a bit of a pain to work with because the guy assigned to my area was way overworked. But eventually I got it scheduled for them to come cut my power first thing; from there I had to work with the linesman and the inspector to get it hooked back up. I took a day off work for the final hook-up, and since the linesman didn’t show till 8:30 and I was supposed to be the first stop for my inspector, he gave me my “green sticker” at 10:30 even though I was not quite done with my main panel. The meter socket was provided by the power company at no charge, as was the linesman’s work.

From the meter socket, I continued using 2” PVC into my main panel. Getting into the main panel from the meter was maybe the hardest part. I had some funny bends because I was putting my new 200 amp panel next to my old 100 amp panel, plus the sharp bend to get into the house. Wrestling that heavy wire was a huge pain and I ended up needing my wife’s help to push while I pulled the last bit so my conduit body would screw shut. My main panel had to be grounded to my gas line and to 2 ground rods at least 8 ft apart. Of course my second ground rod hit a giant rock so I had to jack it up with a floor jack and a pipe wrench.

Like I mentioned, I left my old 100 amp panel in place so I wouldn’t have to try and re-wire everything in one day. It is currently a sub-panel but I plan to move everything over and get rid of it before I sell the place. Separating the grounds and neutrals to make it a sub-panel was a lot harder than I planned. It occurred to me later I could have just added a ground bar and been done way faster, but I wound up disassembling basically the whole panel to separate the bars that came with it. That panel is wired with 2-2-2-4 Al SER cable I had left from my run to the garage. I didn’t have to change the grounding on the old panel.

The garage is detached, on the opposite side of the house from the panel, and about 8 ft of concrete away from the house. I couldn’t trench around the concrete because we have several large trees. So I used a circular saw and a masonry blade to cut through the thin patio concrete between the 2, and dug my trench as short as possible. I used 2” conduit there as well because I wanted that run to be easy and have room in case I wanted to run a new garage door opener or a data cable or whatever. I don’t think SER is the correct wire type for this application, but Menards had a piece on clearance after a return/miscut that was EXACTLY what I needed. I asked my inspector and he said he would allow it since it was a short run underground and I was a DIY guy. I believe the SE-U that would be correct has an insulated ground wire, mine is bare. I had initially bought 100 ft of 2-2-2-4 URD wire but I figured out that I would have to run it inside of conduit all the way across my house because it wasn’t wrapped into a cable, only twisted together. Buying that clearance cable only cost me an extra $20 over all the conduit I would have needed so it was a no-brainer once I got the green light from the inspector. That panel was grounded with a ground rod as well. The inspector checked from the weatherhead down through to both sub-panels, the rest I did not feel I needed to have the extra charges for.

The sub-panel in the garage is 100 amps. Its purpose is primarily to run a Lincoln Tombstone so that has a 60 amp breaker. I didn’t buy enough of the 6-6-6-10 Romex cable I needed to wire the NEMA 14-50 that I wanted to back feed my generator (I know, that’s not how it’s how you’re supposed to do it, I make sure to turn off my main when I back feed). Since I was running low on my expensive Romex, I got creative in what I believe is a legitimate junction: I used a 6x6x4 junction box and split bolt connectors to make a “T” in the long run for my welder (NEMA 6-50) to add my generator plug. I didn’t split the longer run, just cut the insulation and added a short run from there. In order to do that, I needed to wrap the split bolt connectors in rubber tape then electrical tape.

Feel free to ask any questions. I hope this helps someone who’s looking to do a similar job.
 

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Norcal

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Those twin/ tandem breakers in your old panel needs to go, they do not fit, were not made/listed for them, they did not even make twin breakers for for decades after that panel was built, they had that CH logo on the panel cover only on very early 1960's C-H panels.
 
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pbon

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Way too much to read.

Can you summarize?

I’d say the OP’s post is not for you. Just read the title and skip trying to learn anything. I thank the OP for taking the time to write a detailed post about his experience and think the detail is helpful. It took me around 60 seconds to read.
 

mike93lx

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I’d say the OP’s post is not for you. Just read the title and skip trying to learn anything. I thank the OP for taking the time to write a detailed post about his experience and think the detail is helpful. It took me around 60 seconds to read.

you are dismissing one of the most helpful electricians on this board.

If i posted a question and wylie asked for a summary, I would provide one.
 

PCustoms

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I’d say the OP’s post is not for you. Just read the title and skip trying to learn anything. I thank the OP for taking the time to write a detailed post about his experience and think the detail is helpful. It took me around 60 seconds to read.

you are dismissing one of the most helpful electricians on this board.

If i posted a question and wylie asked for a summary, I would provide one.


I didn't think he is dismissing anyone.

Wylie is one of the more knowledgeable and helpful electricians on here, and will always steer someone who asks questions in the right direction.

The OP isn't asking any questions.

He is detailing out a job that is over and done with, and (self admitted) done incorrectly. Underground SER and janky back feeding isn't something I'd write up or be proud of.
 
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Terry D

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I personally think there is nothing wrong with the OPs post. It is detailed, to the point and includes pictures. Sometimes it takes several posts back and forth to get all the information. Like already said, he is admitting he did somethings wrong, as he did. Nobody is dismissing anyones knowledge of electric here. People are simply stating their opinion, which everyone is entitled to.

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pbon

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Nothing wrong with posting what was done incorrectly. Might save others trouble intve future. If reading a few paragraphs is too much for someone, the simple solution is for that person to read only shorter posts.
 
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tjeick

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Hey guys for some reason I wasn’t subscribed to my own thread?

Anyway a summary:
Added a 200 amp main panel next to my old 100 amp panel.
Made my old main into a subpanel.
Added a 100 amp subpanel to the garage.
Got away with some less than perfect work but overall I feel pretty good about it.
 
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