Advice on a heater

[Flipper88]

Going to look at his heater tomorrow. Can anyone tell me how fuel efficient something like this would be?

https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/for/5366278741.html

Or even if it’s safe to run in my shop. I have a pole style building with open rafters, tin sides, and no insulation. Thanks for the help!

 

[jonjon1]

uhhhh.. Its 100% efficient...

BUT, not safe, lol.... You need to use that with the doors open, lol...


If you want to use oil to heat a building, spend $1000 pick up an oil fired Air temp brand oil furnace, get another $250 and get a power venter, vent it out a side wall, hook it to a tsat, oil line, and 120v electric cord, lol.. DUN


If you are looking for temporary heat in the outside or a building with a garage door open, sure run that bullet heater, but to heat a building, its not an option,, not with my lungs anyway..

A friend of mine has a building he used to use 3 small propane fired bullet to heat, i always told him he was nuts... But he said "its not insulated, its cheap", well one day he asked "cn we figure out how to heat my building with out me getting headaches after I am in there for an hour", lol..

We took a 50 gallon drum, a used oil furnace, used power venter, and he bought about $800 of insulation. 50 gallons of oil he had them deliver when they filled his house, its still there and he has a toggle switch to turn it on, he walks in, flips the switch , it gets warm he shuts it off, its safe, cheap, and only uses as much oil as he uses the building...

 

[Flipper88]

Thanks for the info. And his mentality is exactly what mine Is at the moment. Finding a cheat heat source to get me by for a few years until I can afford something nicer. But I won’t jeopardize safety for convenience of cost. I was just not sure if they were designed to run in an enclosed space with people inside. My doors are huge and it would be a waste of time to try to keep heat in with them open. Sincerely thank you for your time and opinion.

 

[jkwilson]

It will work fine. Just open on overhead door 6 inches for ventilation.

I use mine to get everything warm, then swing a couple of doors open for a bit to change the air. Then it only needs to run a few minutes at a time to maintain the temp.

 

[nadogail]

Because we have solar panels on the roof, I will tomorrow buy a 5KW electric heater for my workshop.

No smoke, fumes, and hopefully safe around flammable vapors.

 

[jonjon1]

It will work fine. Just open on overhead door 6 inches for ventilation.

I use mine to get everything warm, then swing a couple of doors open for a bit to change the air. Then it only needs to run a few minutes at a time to maintain the temp.

Its not safe or healthy, not only for the co but for the fuel bi products you are inhaling, freshening up the air is a joke, I have an uncle with an 8" open hole in his back because 2 weeks before thanksgiving they removed a few of his ribs, a lung, a little of the other, and a few other organs due to cancer, he always did stuff like this, washed his hands with gasoline, actually use a bullet heater for 15 years in his shop with a wood stove, he would come in, in the morning, fire up the bullet until the wood got warm, he used to also swing them doors open a few times to get the "fumes' out, what a joke..

Cancer is serious, being careful what we breath in, let soak into our skin, our mouth, nose, eyes, should be taken seriously..

And if you are doing it to save money, it is a no brainer.

Get an oil furnace, brand new air temps with becket guns on them are $1000, a power venter, some wiring, and a 50 ga drum to hold the oil if you dont want to buy a tank.... That is 84-86% efficient, and you can heat the building with the doors closed, lol.. Them units are 100% efficient, then you get rid of 50% of the heat to "freshen up the air", it makes no sense, and being in the business and seeing the effects of irresponsible BS first hand gets me passionate about it...

I really hate when guys say "I did this for years", well a lot of people smoked cigs for years, some never got cancer, or got hit by cars before the cancer could get them, BUT THE BULK of them got to lose their jaw bones, and miss seeing their kids grow up or grand kids be born, I know of a bunch..

PS0 its not just cancer, them combustion by products will destroy your heart too...

 

[brokenknee]

Here is a picture of the heater from craigs list. Many times these postings get removed before someone reads the thread and was wondering what the item looked like.

Happy new year to everyone.

 

[brokenknee]

I have a similar heater; 250,000 btu. I should sell it as I will not use it, currently have a propane heater in garage. My oil heater used almost a gallon of fuel an hour, so not very efficient and hard to breath.

 

[jkwilson]

Its not safe or healthy, not only for the co but for the fuel bi products you are inhaling, freshening up the air is a joke, I have an uncle with an 8" open hole in his back because 2 weeks before thanksgiving they removed a few of his ribs, a lung, a little of the other, and a few other organs due to cancer, he always did stuff like this, washed his hands with gasoline, actually use a bullet heater for 15 years in his shop with a wood stove, he would come in, in the morning, fire up the bullet until the wood got warm, he used to also swing them doors open a few times to get the "fumes' out, what a joke..

Cancer is serious, being careful what we breath in, let soak into our skin, our mouth, nose, eyes, should be taken seriously..

And if you are doing it to save money, it is a no brainer.

Get an oil furnace, brand new air temps with becket guns on them are $1000, a power venter, some wiring, and a 50 ga drum to hold the oil if you dont want to buy a tank.... That is 84-86% efficient, and you can heat the building with the doors closed, lol.. Them units are 100% efficient, then you get rid of 50% of the heat to "freshen up the air", it makes no sense, and being in the business and seeing the effects of irresponsible BS first hand gets me passionate about it...

I really hate when guys say "I did this for years", well a lot of people smoked cigs for years, some never got cancer, or got hit by cars before the cancer could get them, BUT THE BULK of them got to lose their jaw bones, and miss seeing their kids grow up or grand kids be born, I know of a bunch..

PS0 its not just cancer, them combustion by products will destroy your heart too...

Nonsense. If you can't contribute anything but false information and ridiculous associations about someone getting cancer, don't bother posting. Unvented kerosene and propane heaters are used routinely in homes. The byproducts of such combustion are not carcinogenic.

 

[jonjon1]

Nonsense. If you can't contribute anything but false information and ridiculous associations about someone getting cancer, don't bother posting. Unvented kerosene and propane heaters are used routinely in homes. The byproducts of such combustion are not carcinogenic.

Your kidding right?

The depletion of 02, addition of co, K1 fumes have been proven to cause blood clots that destroy, your heart, brain, and pretty much every other organ that is supplied with your blood!!! Not to mention irreversible kidney damage...

And if you think breathing in fuel burnt combustion by products are not going to result in cancer, good for you.. They proved skin contact of k1 causes skin cancer, so sure breathing it in is good for you!!!!

And I dont care what is used "routinely", that is not a whip burner or anything of the like, that is a high output forced combustion burner, its just not safe, I wouldnt let m kids breath it in, and I wouldnt want to breath it in myyself. I am by no means a "safety stan", but luckily I have enough common sense to stay out of trouble that can be easily prevented..

PS, vent free appliances are one thing, and sure they exist, I used to use a high end vent free lp heater in my 3 job sight construction trailers... I had 2 large ones in the office and 1 small one in the bathrooms, and after running them all day, you could walk in and taste it, the air was thin of 02, and it smelt like combustion, I swapped them to real vented units and never had another issue... Them were the best you could by lennox units and right in the instructions it said to not use for x amount of time and to ent fresh air ever x amount of time... Its all BS... the only vent free heaters are electric, this is the business I am in...


ANYWAY, stupidity aside..

A friend of mine uses 2 pro temp hanging unit heaters, they are 17K btus each, cost him about $150 each, and they heat his 24x22 garage for around $100 month in the winter... 34K btu's is a good amount of energy, he leaves one on all winter running on a thermostat relay, to keep the garage around 50, then when he is going to use the garage, he turns the other on and he says its 65 in there with in an hour or so.... Its another cheap option and you can wire them with fireomatics and switching relays to make them a bit safer..

 

[DC_Gearhead]

Nonsense. If you can't contribute anything but false information and ridiculous associations about someone getting cancer, don't bother posting. Unvented kerosene and propane heaters are used routinely in homes. The byproducts of such combustion are not carcinogenic.

Agreed ^^

 

[Bluedodge]

Good reading here, gentlemen.

I was all set to run up to Menards and grab one of these for $165 (70k BTU):

My buddy has one in his shop, Nice and warm but always smelled "funny" to me. He said you get used to it. I started poking around GJ and medical sites to see what others say.

Opinions vary on GJ regarding fume safety, but all the medical / doctor links advise staying away from these things in closed environments (ie: a garage) for extended time. Conversely, all the web sites from kerosene heater dealers say no problem, have at it.

Nonsense. If you can't contribute anything but false information and ridiculous associations about someone getting cancer, don't bother posting. Unvented kerosene and propane heaters are used routinely in homes. The byproducts of such combustion are not carcinogenic.

jkwilson - Looks like you're right. In looking around, none of the medical sites list carcinogenics in the fumes.

Respiratory Problems:

According to the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), people who regularly use kerosene heaters do not have more respiratory diseases than the general population. However, inhaling kerosene might cause a short-term change in the way you smell or taste things. Also, inhaling kerosene fumes might cause some people to become dizzy or nauseated. Breathing the fumes long-term could result in neurological or kidney damage, including blood clots that damage the brain, heart or other organs.

Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/188038-health-effects-of-kerosene-heaters/

Bottom line? I'm torn on what to do for some heat out in the garage......

 

[Mr. Fry]

Just fill them with diesel instead. My father has used them for years and years and has no problems and you don't get that nasty headache.

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