Advice on Gutters

[Jessupftw]

Hi Everyone,

First time poster here and sure could use some advice. Last fall we built a 50x80x14 pole barn from Menards. My builder had me take the gutters off the factory materials list saying they are junk and told me to go seamless down the road. Well, started getting quotes and I am shocked at the costs being thrown around...

Give me your thoughts, 2 seamless 80' gutters, 6" wide with 3"x4" downspouts on all four corners. Also quoted snow guards since my doors are on the side walls. Cost.... $3,325. $3,000 for the gutters and $325 for the snow guards.

I am in the midwest, Wisconsin to be precise and I just can't imagine having to pay that much for flipping gutters. Getting more quotes but thought i would ask the garage gods

Here are some pics of the build

Thanks!

 

[Jhoff310]

Its a little high, but not bad. You need to remember...thats 160' of 6" gutters. 6" is considered oversized.
56' of downspout
you have upwards of 250' of material....there is always some waste
the guys to hang 80' of spaghetti...going to need a few extra hands
I honestly down think its that bad. If you feel it is...go price it out by section. each 10' section, the joints, anchors, outlets, ends, downspouts, caulk for the seams, the beer for your buddies to come help hang it....that $3000 price tag looks a little better in my eyes

 

[SJR033]

That seams to be about double what it would cost around here. Unless you picked some "special" color

 

[NUTTSGT]

He wants you to take the gutter stuff off the material list but was the labor to hang included in the price of building the new shop ? If the materials come off the list then the labor should be coming off also.

 

[Jessupftw]

Thank you all... Yes he did take off the labor as well but good call out. I called a couple more companies to get some comparisons. Appreciate the quick replies!

 

[bigredmf]

I don't understand the need for four down spouts?

If the gutters are seamless one piece each side when their properly pitched only 2 downspouts will function!

Red



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[dw1]

My doors are on the 50' side of my barn, I had 2-50'x6" gutters and downspouts on one end and hangers, I did help them hang them (held the middle and moved the ladders), materials was about $360 and I think I gave the two $300 for labor. See if you can find a gutter company that will come out and make the gutters on your property, get a few friends to help hang them. I had 2 prices from gutter companies, one was $970, who came by several days in a row and lowered it to $910 and the other was $1200. 80' of gutters, make sure you have enough ladders and help to hang them.

 

[Jessupftw]

Thanks Red, probably my own ignorance talking. I assumed the 80' piece was too long for one continual pitch so it would pitched both ways starting in the middle and fabricated to support that.. Not a gutter guy so learning here

dw1, thanks for sharing the prices you were quoted and price ultimately paid.. helps a lot. Luckily I own a bunch of ladders as well

 

[Richard Cranium]

I would say go with the two down spouts per side, or they will fill up with water that can't drain fast enough and run over or pull down from the weight.

 

[SJR033]

I second the "keep the 2 per run (1 on each corner) downspout team"

 

[jd_1138]

Seems kinda high to me. I think I paid like $650 for new gutters for our house -- about 100 linear feet or so. And that's with 4 or 5 separate runs and like 5 or 6 downspouts.

 

[BruceMc]

I'm actually getting gutters installed tomorrow and have my quote in front of me. Bear in mind I'm in one of the more expensive parts of the country, where nothing is cheap. My quote for two 36' runs + downspouts installed comes to $12/ft vs yours @ $18.75/ft.

On the other hand, my snow guards (for two 36' rows on each side) were quoted @ $640.

 

[Jessupftw]

Thanks Bruce, no offense to the great state of Alaska but if you can get it cheaper up there than what I'm being quoted "down here" I'm getting ripped off

Another guy coming out tomorrow...

 

[Evilunclegrimace]

We pay between 5 and 8 bucks a linear foot depending on the time of year and the height of the gutter.

 

[UpNorther]

I got a quote once for siding and seamless gutters from ### Seamless Gutters. They had a nice presentation and I gained a 3 ring binder with their bid.
End of the story was they were $66,000 dollars while other bids were $24,000.

Best thing I tell family & friends to do is take a day and schedule in 5-6 different contractors to stop by and give bids. Each one that comes thru, ask them 2-3 questions. By the time you get to the last contractor, your going to have learned a lot throughout the day and sound more knowledgeable. You'll be able to pick out the best one, and see the huge price differences.

 

[NUTTSGT]

I would say go with the two down spouts per side, or they will fill up with water that can't drain fast enough and run over or pull down from the weight.

I'd agree, there's alot of water that will be coming off the roof of a 50x80 roof.


A quick search turned this up.

http://ucanr.edu/sites/scmg/files/30178.pdf

50x80=4000. 4000/1000=4. 4x600 (gal)= 2400gal for every inch of rainfall.

 

[rburke65]

Wow....can't believe folks want to eliminated own spouts! That's going to be a LOT of water coming off that roof. I had gutters and downs on my 32 x56' build with a 20'x20' porch 14' to the eave. 152' of gutter, and ? 86' of down spouts, hangers, plus elbows, screws, special dark brown to match siding. Two guys......$716.

 

[fastjohnny]

I don't understand the need for four down spouts?

If the gutters are seamless one piece each side when their properly pitched only 2 downspouts will function!

Red



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Way below industry standard to pitch 80 feet of gutter to one downspout

 

[noslin]

we outsource our gutter as we pay our guys well. the guy we use would charge you prob 4 to 5 bucks a foot.

3x4 downspout would be about 100 each on that building.


factors that go into increasing price is, how much does he have to order for you to have two 80 foot pieces, this includes what color you choose too. how many guys will he have to use to put up 80 foot length. definitely will need four or five minimum. how far do they have to travel to your home (time),
for the snow retention system... htey are probably just the plastic ones that are caulked on. they will fall off eventually.

material price is about 1.25/lf if 15" stretchout, 1.60 lf if 20" stretchout, add in straps, outlets, end caps. downspout price is about the same per lineal foot, 10' sticks. elbows are about 3.50 each.

the snow guards are a good cheap. he should of showed you he paid more for the guards w/installation and less for the gutters/downspouts.

 

[fastjohnny]

Here is some things to consider (considering I have a seamless gutter business, too bad you are a bit far...)

Industry standard for downspouts is 1200' sq ft roof area per 3x4 downspout, so at 2000+ feet per side 2 should suffice.
Not all hangers are created equal. Ask for Raytec Hangfast hangers with 4" screw.

80' of 6" gutter no way would I recommend you and your buddies to DIY.

I would prob quote at ~$1800 plus the snowshoes...

LMK if you have any further questions.

 

[csp]

I don't understand the need for four down spouts?

In addition to the volume on 80' of roof, you're looking at 10" of drop from one end to the other @ 1/8" per foot of slope.

 

[maxpower_hd]

My doors are on the 50' side of my barn, I had 2-50'x6" gutters and downspouts on one end and hangers, I did help them hang them (held the middle and moved the ladders), materials was about $360 and I think I gave the two $300 for labor. See if you can find a gutter company that will come out and make the gutters on your property, get a few friends to help hang them. I had 2 prices from gutter companies, one was $970, who came by several days in a row and lowered it to $910 and the other was $1200. 80' of gutters, make sure you have enough ladders and help to hang them.

This is what I did for my mother's house and it was considerably cheaper. The guy I was working with had used the gutter guy before and he was right in town. It was a lot less gutter though. We got two 24' pieces made and went and picked them up at his house and installed ourselves.

 

[coldh2o]

In addition to the volume on 80' of roof, you're looking at 10" of drop from one end to the other @ 1/8" per foot of slope.

^^^This. Unless you are planning on using 2x12 fascia boards, the drop over 80' is not manageable.

 

[bigredmf]

I guess I was misled by the 80' continuous length and have seen downspouts placed at the wrong end of a installation

From TOH

To ensure that gutters drain properly, make certain they slope (½ inch for every 10 feet) toward a downspout. For gutter runs longer than 40 feet, it's best to pitch the gutter down from the middle to a downspout at each end.

Red


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[bjcouche]

I have a 40 X 64 pole building with metal roof. When I had it built the seamless gutters were included. They installed the smaller size with a downspout on each end. They installed them with little to no slope and I can see 1+ inches of water pooling in the center of the gutter, so I guess that would be negative slope. Then the gutters are screwed to the building partially under the roof metal overhang. With a light drizzle rain, the rain drops into the gutter. A heavier rain or a downpour, the rain just runs down the 4/12 pitch so fast it jumps clear over the end of the gutter without any falling into it.
You might want to run a garden hose on your roof to see how far the water is going to be horizontally before falling enough vertically to get into the gutter.
After my shop was built I got a couple quotes to rip the existing gutters off and install larger, properly installed ones. The quotes I got were in the $3,000 range as well. I looked at what the materials would cost for buying 10' sections and all the pieces and decided that I didn't want to pay that much more for someone to screw the installation up a second time. I watched when they installed them the first time, took 3 guys about 1.5 hours total. as others have said, long sections of gutters are very difficult to handle and take multiple people to lift.

Brian

 

[fastjohnny]

I have a 40 X 64 pole building with metal roof. When I had it built the seamless gutters were included. They installed the smaller size with a downspout on each end. They installed them with little to no slope and I can see 1+ inches of water pooling in the center of the gutter, so I guess that would be negative slope. Then the gutters are screwed to the building partially under the roof metal overhang. With a light drizzle rain, the rain drops into the gutter. A heavier rain or a downpour, the rain just runs down the 4/12 pitch so fast it jumps clear over the end of the gutter without any falling into it.
You might want to run a garden hose on your roof to see how far the water is going to be horizontally before falling enough vertically to get into the gutter.
After my shop was built I got a couple quotes to rip the existing gutters off and install larger, properly installed ones. The quotes I got were in the $3,000 range as well. I looked at what the materials would cost for buying 10' sections and all the pieces and decided that I didn't want to pay that much more for someone to screw the installation up a second time. I watched when they installed them the first time, took 3 guys about 1.5 hours total. as others have said, long sections of gutters are very difficult to handle and take multiple people to lift.

Brian

Yup, I've sold chop and drop for the DIY type, only to have them call me the next year to come do a full install with all new gutter. Why pay twice... do it right the first time.

 

[ladderwell]

That may be the going rate in your area, but that's high here in Western Oregon. I had gutters put on my 36x48x15 pole barn last year. 102' of 5" gutter with two 3x4 downspouts and it ran me $500.

 

[egdede]

I think a slope is 1/4" per TEN foot for a total drop of 8 quarters over 80 feet for 2 inches total is just about code.
It's a rain drain not a log chute.

The google search first hit caused the other answers.
An 1/8" a foot is 80 1/8'ths...a ten inch drop in 80 feet.
That's a 660 foot fall in a mile(close enough for demonstraive purposes) .
That's a black diamond run on some ski slopes.

Then why are Black Diamond runs so much steeper? I think you dropped a decimal!

 

[ezover]

Hi Everyone,

First time poster here and sure could use some advice. Last fall we built a 50x80x14 pole barn from Menards. My builder had me take the gutters off the factory materials list saying they are junk and told me to go seamless down the road. Well, started getting quotes and I am shocked at the costs being thrown around...

Give me your thoughts, 2 seamless 80' gutters, 6" wide with 3"x4" downspouts on all four corners. Also quoted snow guards since my doors are on the side walls. Cost.... $3,325. $3,000 for the gutters and $325 for the snow guards.

I am in the midwest, Wisconsin to be precise and I just can't imagine having to pay that much for flipping gutters. Getting more quotes but thought i would ask the garage gods

Here are some pics of the build

Thanks!

wow you need to call around, I had seamless done a few years ago 2006, 2x 50' , 6" inch gutters and 1 down spout each side, 325.00. 50 feet was the max run for 1 down spout.

I had to check my inbox, I read a post about seamless gutters on here and the poster lived by me so I sent him a message and got the number from him.

 

[robertlynk]

Where are you located fastjohnny

 

[fastjohnny]

Where are you located fastjohnny

SW Michigan, guess it's time to update my profile!

 

[dbabicky]

Thanks Red, probably my own ignorance talking. I assumed the 80' piece was too long for one continual pitch so it would pitched both ways starting in the middle and fabricated to support that.. Not a gutter guy so learning here

dw1, thanks for sharing the prices you were quoted and price ultimately paid.. helps a lot. Luckily I own a bunch of ladders as well

I live in North Eastern Wisconsin and have a friend who does this for a living. He is extremely reasonable, has is own equipment to make the gutters on site and more than likely needs the work. He did my whole house for dirt, I mean, DIRT CHEAP and they've been up for 9yrs. He just did a set on my Mom's house last year very, very cheap.

 

[dutchgray]

I think a slope is 1/4" per TEN foot for a total drop of 8 quarters over 80 feet for 2 inches total is just about code.
It's a rain drain not a log chute.

The google search first hit caused the other answers.
An 1/8" a foot is 80 1/8'ths...a ten inch drop in 80 feet.
That's a 660 foot fall in a mile(close enough for demonstraive purposes) .
That's a black diamond run on some ski slopes.

You can do gutters level if you want to, they will still work as long as they are big enough for the volume of water, but a run is better.
Most here are plastic in sections unless its a steel building then they are often matched box fitted to the roof sheets.

 

[pepi]

Clean them ....

 

[LS6 Tommy]

I don't understand the need for four down spouts?

If the gutters are seamless one piece each side when their properly pitched only 2 downspouts will function!

Red



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Gutters pitch from center to each end when a downspout can be used on each end, especially on longer runs and always on commercial ones. He needs (4) downspouts.

Tommy

 

[kbs2244]

Those eves are 14 feet off the ground.
He is going to need 4 towers of scaffolding.
Time and labor to erect twice.

Seamless gutters twist worse than wet noodles.
And if they kink it is a do over.
Is there room off the long end of the building for lining the machine up for a straight shot down the length of the wall?

 

[ilovevocs]

As mentioned get a good gutter hanger. IF the guy wants to use spike and ferrules don't let him do the work period. That's allot of expansion and contraction over 80' with a continuous gutter. Expansion hangers are the only way to go. Personally I prefer steel over aluminum since it has a much lower coefficient of expansion and contraction.

90% of the gutter work I do is 24 gauge kynar finished galvalume steel then we roll our downspouts from the same material. Cost is the same, but in my region kynar coated galvalume steel has a longer service life.

Not being nasty to anyone posting about sloping gutters but we all stopped sloping gutters when we learned that capillary action alone is enough to drain gutter.

 

[ishiboo]

Pretty sure the gutters Menards includes on the building plans by default are seamless, built from the same color coil stock as your trim color. They were probably a fine option. The 5" and 6" K-style they have in the store in short lengths? Avoid.

 

[Fordman7795]

56' long pole barn with 1' overhang (118' total of 5" gutter)
Two 3x4 downspouts
Total $633 installed