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FozzyBear1911

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New to the forum but have been reading off and on for 2 years. Lots of great info here and hope to add to it.

My desire is to get a well made one to last me 10-20 years if possible. I know this is a tall order since I am not able to spend $1k+. My use cases are usual weekend/hobbyist; mechanic (auto& m/c), woodworking. A 60 gal should meet my needs for next few years but if I can find a 80 gal then that would be perfect.

I came across a Campbell Hausfeld Professional 60 gal 220 volt 125 psi 6hp. Waiting for seller to get back to me with model # but looks to be a VT619502AJ based on the stats provided. So my question is whether would be a good buy at $350 or keep looking?

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Welcome to the forum Fozzy. Well, for starters, that motor isn't 6 TRUE hp...check the amperage rating.
If you want a good quality American made compressor (single stage) look for an Emglo (Jenny). If you wanted to shell out more, then look for used Champion, Saylor-Beall or Quincy QR series.
Don't be in a hurry and you'll find a good deal.
 

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As stated above, that isn't a true 6HP compressor - it's actual running HP rating is in the 3.3 - 3.5HP range. Is it a good buy? If it has low hours on it and in very good condition, it's an OK deal. It is equivalent in performance and features to the standard 60-gallon single-stage oil-lubricated box store compressor which can be had new for around $500 or a bit less (depending upon where you live).

Search on this forum - every single thing about compressors has been asked and answered so there is plenty of reading for you to learn up on.
 
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FozzyBear1911

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Thanks redmondjp, I did read up on some threads for compressors but will do a bit more research.

@Tool Fool
Ive been looking for all those, except for Emglo. Haven't found anything within reason. Now looking for the Emglo, I did just find a GT5B-80v nearby for $500.
The 80 gal is perfect and price is reasonable. Just need to research a bit more. Looks to be in good overall condition so if that's true and I find no major known issues with it then it may be a winner (if still available)
 

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Years ago i cought a pre x mass sale on a 60gal kobalt compressor. It was $380 out the door. Its got a 155psi cut off pressure and the extra few psi really help air tools. Also the extra pressure helps your reserve a bit when useing a regulator.
 

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Thanks redmondjp, I did read up on some threads for compressors but will do a bit more research.

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Ive been looking for all those, except for Emglo. Haven't found anything within reason. Now looking for the Emglo, I did just find a GT5B-80v nearby for $500.
The 80 gal is perfect and price is reasonable. Just need to research a bit more. Looks to be in good overall condition so if that's true and I find no major known issues with it then it may be a winner (if still available)

Fozzy, Snap that one up if it's in decent shape as that pump IS a 2 stage pump and they're few and far between as most Emglo's are single stage. $500 is a good price if, again it's in decent shape. What part of the country are you located?
 

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Years ago i cought a pre x mass sale on a 60gal kobalt compressor. It was $380 out the door. Its got a 155psi cut off pressure and the extra few psi really help air tools. Also the extra pressure helps your reserve a bit when useing a regulator.

I've been looking at those for DIY and wonder how good they are. I'm thinking the extended warranty might be a good idea.
 

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As others have stated be patient, people are always unloading these things. Stay away from the big box stores brands, you'll thank yourself later.

When it comes to air, you can never have enough. Worst feeling is waiting for more air.

You should be able to find a 20+ CFM 60-80 gallon 5hp compressor of a good brand in between $500-$1000. Commercial businesses upgrade these all the time, and they can't get rid of them because they are so heavy and big, which drive people away and the price down for these $2k-$4k machines.

Look up HP rating and amps so you can be in the know. A 240V 5hp motor is going to be rated at something in the range of 28 amps. I don't think you'll find anything over 5hp for single phase...it's about the limit you wanna go for home use anyways. You can always pick up spare 60-80 gallon tanks on CL for real cheap to add to your needs so don't be stuck on the tank size. Look at rpm speed of pump, slower pump means longer life of both pump and motor, less energy, less wear, etc, etc....
 

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I dunno, maybe it is just me or the part of the country I am in, but I find used, industrial quality compressors, 2 stage, 80 gallon tanks, 3 phase, 5 REAL hp, Champion, Saylor Beall, Kellogg American etc and buy them at $50-150 each. The high end is if they have a quality, single phase motor. Running or not, I don't care since I will tear it down anyways.

Put $200-300 in parts, some elbow grease and paint and you have a compressor that will last a homeowner type use for generations.
If you don't have a phase converter, the cost of a single phase mtr must be added.

Industry and most companies aren't buying older, used, compressors w/o warranty and w/o safety guards etc,,, so they have very little resale value.

And they tie up a lot of garage real estate if you don't have a shed, attic or build a stout rack to get them up off the floor.
 

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Always remember CFM, cubic feet per minute. It doesn't matter how big your motor is or how big your tank is if your pump can't make air fast enough.

I used to have a portable compressor with a 20 hp gas motor, a 30 gal. tank and a 20 cfm V-twin pump that I used for sandblasting cars, boats, bikes, houses pretty much anything I threw in front of it.
 
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Always remember CFM, cubic feet per minute. It doesn't matter how big your motor is or how big your tank is if your pump can't make air fast enough.

I used to have a portable compressor with a 20 hp gas motor, a 30 gal. tank and a 20 cfm V-twin pump that I used for sandblasting cars, boats, bikes, houses pretty much anything I threw in front of it.

That 20 hp gas is more or less about 10 hp electric.
Surprised that is enough power to do that level of blasting.
 

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OP, what do you think you are going to do with the compressor?

I still have my first compressor. It was an Emglow-DeWalt 4 gallon twin tank thing. It produced about 4 CFM at 90 psi so decent for a 110V model. It was good for filling tires (nice that it would get to full pressure from zero in just over a minute) and running my impact wrench (IR 231). It was so-so with the air gun and not good with the cut off wheel. That said, it's been around for almost 20 years. It doesn't take a "high quality" compressor to last 20 years if treated right and used within its limits.

The first question to ask is what do you think you are going to do with it? If you are a light user an oil free compressor will last many years. If you are a heavy user you might find that many "pro" oil lubed compressors can't handle long days of near 100% duty cycle.

OK, as I see it you have kind of three compressors a home shop user might get. You have the range of 120V models. Typically 30 gallons or less, 6 CFM or less at 90 psi. Some are really cheap (like the 8 gallon Husky I picked up for $40 the other day). Others are rather pricey (one of the belt drive, oil lubed 20-30 gallon models).

Next you have the 60 gallon, "3 hp" (230V, 15 A) compressors. These ar.e typically 10-12 CFM at 90, single stage models. Not long ago people were finding these new for under $400, now more like $450-500. They are almost certainly going to be enough for any home user. They have a chance with some light painting and sand blasting jobs but you might have to wait on the tank. These are typically single stange.

Finally we have the 80 gallon, "5hp" (typically 230V 16-22 amps). 12-17 CFM, frequently 2 stage. These are $800-$1600. Above $1600 you are getting into better what might be considered more professional models with higher duty cycles, auto drains, mag starters etc.

I don't agree that pump CFM is all that matters. If you are doing sand blasting or sanding, yes, pump CFM is the magic number. Conversely, with an impact wrench you often are using just short bursts of high flow so tank volume is all that matters. To some extent tank does make up for a lower CFM pump and the reverse can also be true.

Do consider your power source (do you have 230V, how many Amps is that service?). Also consider how you want to move air around (just a hose from the compressor or a plumed shop with regulators at the drops, dryers and filters for painting). New, I think the best thing is either go new cheap ($100-150, ~10 gallon tanks), mid range (15A, 230V) or perhaps used 80 gallon (often under $500 in good shape used). When buying new it's easy to suggest the "3hp" 60 gallon stuff vs the 80 since we are talking 2x the price. Used, I suspect some waiting will find a decent 80 gallon, 16-22 A "5hp" for about $400-500. Also, if you aren't in a hurry consider getting a cheap compressor to hold you over until you find a deal on a good one.

Since I'm somewhat curious I picked up one of these for $40
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Husky-0300813A-8-Gal-Portable-Oil-Free-Electric-Air-Compressor/252642448343

No doubt it was built to a price point but it does work. Really the biggest thing it needs is a quiet intake muffler. For $40 it wouldn't have to last long to be worth it and at that price I can sell it when I'm done and really not be out any money. A used, cheap compressor might be enough to hold you until a good deal comes around.
 
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Fozzy, Snap that one up if it's in decent shape as that pump IS a 2 stage pump and they're few and far between as most Emglo's are single stage. $500 is a good price if, again it's in decent shape. What part of the country are you located?



I'm in your neck of the woods, San Diego. The Emglo looks to be in great condition. I reached out to the seller and looks to be a business so they are just clearing out non-warranty equipment, my guess.
 

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I'm in your neck of the woods, San Diego. The Emglo looks to be in great condition. I reached out to the seller and looks to be a business so they are just clearing out non-warranty equipment, my guess.

Excellent! I see it's in Mission Viejo...Looks great, :thumbup: best jump on it buddy, it won't last long. :beer:

FYI, that pump turns @ 760 RPM, which is great and should be fairly quiet. I see the price new at Zoro is $2497.94
 
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Sadly, I had to pass on it. I am regretting it, too.

My wife has some requests for me to build some furniture and need to buy other tools. So the compressor has to wait a bit longer.

I may just have to get a small(er) tank to get me buy. If I'm able to find another gem, I'll just have to break the bank.
 

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Sadly, I had to pass on it. I am regretting it, too.

My wife has some requests for me to build some furniture and need to buy other tools. So the compressor has to wait a bit longer.

I may just have to get a small(er) tank to get me buy. If I'm able to find another gem, I'll just have to break the bank.

Sorry to hear that buddy. That can happen with wives...:dunno:
 
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