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Air compressor running HOT?

fury9

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My frankenstien compressor, can be seen here at very bottom of page- http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4901&highlight=show+compressor&page=86 , seems to be running really hot. After one cycle the tube that ties both cylinders together gets too hot to touch. I did put in 20/50 racing oil to flush out all the **** from the pump sitting. Could that be the issue? Too thick of oil? What would you guys reccomend I run in this thing? How hot is normal?
 
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"... I did put in 20/50 racing oil to flush out all the **** from the pump sitting. Could that be the issue? What would you guys reccomend I run in this thing?..."


Without saying whether or not it is THE issue, the wrong oil in an air compressor pump is certainly AN issue, and an important one for your safety.

You want to use Air Compressor oil (not "racing" oil, not engine oil, etc) in an air compressor, because air compressor oil is formulated to minimize carbonization in the cylinder head and output stages of the valves and discharge tubing.

Air compressor oil is also non-foaming, and doesn't have some of the other detergents and additives used in oil formulated for combustion engines.

Air compressor oil is also typically a straight 30 weight, not a multi-viscosity like your racing oil.

I would dump the current oil immediately, buy a gasket kit and pull the head, clean off any carbonization residue that could be ignited hot compressed air in operation, and put in the recommended oil designed for air compressors.


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Every compressor I've seen uses regular 30w unless it's super super cold outside...

I typically use regular compressor oil for the first couple changes then put in synthetic (Amsoil is close by so I get it from them).

That tube should be too hot to touch, compressing air generates a LOT of heat... I hope you didn't burn your finger too bad...
 
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I grabbed it with my hand for a split second, man was that thing HOT! No burns though. I did Drain all the oil overnight and will put in compressor oil. The reason I used motor oil was because the old kellogg pump I have says to use motor oil and 20/50 was what I had laying around.Thanks for the input on everything, I had no idea these pumps run that hot.
 

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How close is your pump to that wall behind it?

If the oil change doesn't help, I'd try moving the unit out a bit from the wall to improve the air circulation around it...
 
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It's crammed in there pretty good,I had a hell of a time getting the safety cage on it, but with kids it's not an option to not have one.

I had a smaller pump on it before and the tank is mounted to the floor on hockey pucks, they were a real pain to install by myself, so I just left the tank where it was and put the larger pump on it.The flywheel is moving a good amount of air past the heads though.
 
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In small reciprocating air compressors 30 wt. non-detergent oil is all that is needed. I have found if the machine is kept outside you want to change it at least 2wice a year, inside once a year. Stuff labeled compressor oil is a selling trick, easy to charge a couple bucks extra to re-label a quart of oil. If the machine is new or recently rebuilt, run a mineral base (30 wt. non-detergent) for a couple of months then change to a synthetic and it will run cooler and longer. As far as a synthetic make sure it is a diester synthetic made for reciprocating compressors. This won't be that easy for usually this stuff is reserved for the large (50 hp. and up) compressors, nor is it cheap.
Whatever you do don't put a synthetic into an old machine that may have a carbon build-up on the inside of the unit. The synthetic will decarbonize the unit and the carbon will get into places you really don't want it and could damage the machine.

I have seen several times in GJ the mention of compressors detonating, in over 30 years I've never seen or heard of it. I've seen a 10" high pressure piston of a 2 stage compressor have a complete meltdown and molten aluminum be pumped in the head and valves. I've also seen line fires, where the piping in a plant have so much oil residue in the piping and the poor compressor maintenance cause a fire. All you can do there is close the piping and hope the plant doesn't catch on fire, then replace all the piping.
Oh, and I have seen the tank blow up because of rust thru, but not from oil building up and spontaneously combusting.

But anyways, 30 wt. non-detergent should do you just fine. The discharge pipe should be over 200 degrees.
 

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Well fury9, compressing air creates a lot of heat. You have a two stage compressor and the discharge temp from the first stage would likely be 200*. As that hot compressed air travels through the finned tube he's is released and by the time it reaches the suction of the second stage piston it is probably around 150*. Either case It would be too hot to touch. It should not be hot enough to burn the paint. If the paint is burned I would think the valves are leaking. I really doubt the oil is causing any heat. With air compressors the lighter the
better as far a oil goes. 50 wt is far too heavy. So is 30 wt in temps below 40*. 20 wt is good up to 100* where you want o use 30 wt. You have an American made industrial machine with tight running clearances. The cheap stuff coming from overseas is not manufactured to such tolerances and 30wt is good enough.

If you can take the temp of the tubing I would be interested in knowing. I noticed an inter-stage relief valve at the top of the inter cooler tube. Remove it and install a 0-100 PSI gauge in its place. Read the pressure with the compressor pumping 125 PSI. The pressure in that tube hold be around 35PSI.
 
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It's going to be hot regardless, but most use 30w non-detergent so the oil doesn't foam.
 

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FYI, for regular 30w "non-detergent oil", you can typically find it at your auto-parts store. Usually cheaper than "compressor oil" at the big box stores...

It will say non-detergent on it and warning not to use it in modern vehicles...
 
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