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Airless spray paint thinning

pcmeiners

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The some paint manufacturer tell you not to to thin the paint for spraying, an example is original KILZ (oil based). ********, it will NOT spray correctly without considerable thinning, you are going to need to roll it after you spray un-thinned paint as the paint will spray on thick and uneven; If you follow the can instructions you are going to be greatly disappointed.
Every paint varies as to how much to thin. Thin with increasing amounts, mixing the thinner into the paint thoroughly and after adding additional amounts be it paint thinner or water. Spray a test an area on cardboard or a small area of wall to be painted, have a roller handy you may need it until you have the correct thinner amount added.
 
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The some paint manufacturer tell you not to to thin the paint for spraying, an example is original KILZ (oil based). ********, it will NOT spray correctly without considerable thinning, you are going to need to roll it after you spray un-thinned paint as the paint will spray on thick and uneven; If you follow the can instructions you are going to be greatly disappointed.
Every paint varies as to how much to thin. Thin with increasing amounts, mixing the thinner into the paint thoroughly and after adding additional amounts be it paint thinner or water. Spray a test an area on cardboard or a small area of wall to be painted, have a roller handy you may need it until you have the correct thinner amount added.

I've not had that issue with airless spraying. Change the tip size and or change the pressure to suit.

Hvlp or conventional yes.
 

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Wondering if pump and different spray tip would have help provide better finish? There is also this product for oil base and one for latex paint. I never tried it before.
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Paint manufacturers have thinning recommendations just as they have recommended application thicknesses to achieve a dry film thickness sufficient enough to warranty their product. If you can't achieve that thickness you have no warranty. Might not be a big deal for a diy'er, but as a Painting Contractor of 35 years, there's certain guidelines which need to be satisfied so we're not on the hook for labor and materials should things go sideways. When you add excessive amounts of thinner, you reduce the overall film thickness, which requires more time & material to apply more to achieve the same. However, if you want to thin your products 50%, go for it.

As an aside, there are other ways to lower viscosity without sacrificing the overall film integrity...

-Heat up the paint. For every degree above 70°F, it's approximately the equivalent of thinning your product 1%, and most paints can be safely heated up to 90°F without damaging the paint.
-Use flow enhancers and levelers. Penetrol for oils is old tech, it will yellow white paints and it reduces sheen, so with oils, use Corotech Brushing reducer V701 or Interlux Brushing Liquid 333. For water-based/waterborne products, use BM's 518 or XIM.
-Remember also that generally speaking, over-thinning will change the actual chemistry of the product because excessive amounts of thinners will actually begin to dissolve the structure of the paint film. One noteworthy exception would be mineral spirits in oil, since you could literally thin it with up to 100% mineral spirits and it could still actually form a complete paint film after curing, (albeit a much thinner, weaker film).


And to address your concerns regarding not being able to achieve a good spray pattern without excessive thinning...

-Turning up the pressure on your sprayer could certainly help produce a finer pattern. I know the ultimate goal is to spray at the lowest pressure possible while still producing a good spray pattern, but some products require higher pressures at the gun to atomize fully.
-Using a larger spray tip will spread the pattern out further and help minimize "fingers" in the spray pattern.
-Use a different rig & equipment. The Binks Super Bee was a great workhorse used by many painters every day, but that was over 30 years ago. Advancements in spray technology have been substantial in that time. The low end deadband of sprayers are nearly non-existent on pro-level rigs. Fine finish low pressure spray tips have been one of the most important advancements for architectural coatings in decades. Graco's are fine, but Tri Tech's are better.
 
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Thought you had to backroll when you spray anyway?
Not if you have the correct technique, tip/gun, and paint viscosity.

If you need to repair or re-paint a sprayed area with a sprayed glass smooth finish an 1/8-1/4" high quality nap roller, not overly loaded with paint, will result in very smooth surface,
 
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In a previous life I worked at a ski resort. In the summer only management and esential craft were kept on payroll (the rest were seasonal workers. This was in the late 70s early 80s. I was in a manage ment position. With small staffs during the summer, if something required more than the craft we had on staff, everyone pitched in-from the President of resort included. We had decicded to expand our lift capacity. I purchased a new chair lift to service an additional slope. I was in the upper group of manaement but when the lift arrived, my buddy the president asked if I could paint the new lift. The chair lift arrived with bare metal towers and crossbars, the chairs were double and dissasembled. Even the bull wheels were unpaited.
It was a challenge, but I got it painted.
All of this said, I purchased a Binks Super Bee to paint all of the steel. I painted all of the chairs on the ground. The towers, I painted as much as possible on the ground, but since the crossarms were already welded, I could not roll the towers. The lift was a little over a thousand feet long. After the towers were installed, I finish coated them using the Binks. OSHA would not have liked the process. We tied a bosuns chair to a long rope. The other end of the rope was attached to a Jeep truck. We put the rope over the top of the tower. If I wanted to go up, I would signal the truck to drive up the slope. After I painted the top, I would signal the driver to slowly back the 4wd Jeep truck back down the slope to lower me. I did not mind the 20 foot tall towers too much, but some towers were almost 40 feet tall. That was a little intimadating
All in all, the Binks Super Bee was a great unit.
 
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I've worked paint sprayers since 1989. I have not seen a Binks super bee pro in at least 20 years! I commend you at keeping this classic alive!
Have 2 of these. One of the units was used 1 time, guess the owner could not spray properly and gave up, one unit was $50, the other $100. These units are a hell better than the toys that sell at the box stores but at 90lbs rather rough getting them up stairs.
 
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