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I thought I would start this thread as a focal point to share information about LISTA cabinets. We, as many of you know, are LISTA distributors as well as Factory Authorized Installers. We are the installation company that Lista corporate uses to install to their direct customers. I am also at the LISTA factory every two weeks processing our Junkyard Specials so it is safe to say that we know a lot about LISTA cabinets. Hopefully we can share our knowledge, and the knowledge of other GJ members, to help others with LISTA questions.
Let me start by addressing OLD vs. NEW LISTA cabinet designs, prompted by a GJ members call this morning.
OLD vs. NEW LISTA cabinets
About 5 years ago, LISTA changed the drawer and housing designs to incorporate a new drawer suspension system. Dimensions changed on cabinet housings and drawers so the drawers and housings between OLD vs. NEW are NOT interchangeable.
OLD Drawer Design: The OLD drawers used a suspension system with a tray under the drawer. This tray uses steel roller bearings as shown in the first two pictures. When purchasing an OLD design cabinet make sure that the roller bearings are not worn out. These bearings are no longer available from LISTA or the actual bearing manufacturer.
NEW Drawer Design: The NEW drawers use a totally different suspension system; one that uses a Polyoxymethylene (POM) bearing and no tray underneath. All of the suspension is handled on just the sides. While the new bearings might look like plastic, they are really a high tech solution to traditional bearings. In the five years this has been in use we have not seen any failures or excessive wear. The remaining pictures show the NEW suspension system.
Retrofitting NEW into OLD : The NEW suspension can not be used with an OLD drawer since the NEW housing is a bit narrower on the inside and the suspension tracks would be too far inboard for the OLD drawer design to work properly with the new suspension. Additionally the NEW suspension can not be used with a NEW drawer in an OLD cabinet. This is due to two important facts: 1) The NEW housing is narrower on the inside and 2) The drawer Z-channels on the sides are different. Here enters the HYBRID solution.
Hybrid Solution: The HYBRID solution of putting NEW suspension in an OLD cabinet involves a special HYBRID drawer design. Lista has an option whereby a NEW drawer can be made with a different Z-channel that will allow it to be used with NEW suspension parts in an OLD cabinet housing.
When considering the purchase of a used LISTA cabinet, take into considerations the quality of the roller bearings. OLD cabinets that are heavily used could have bearing failure or be close to bearing failure. You can not purchase replacement drawer trays or bearings so your purchase might not be such a good deal if the cabinet is all worn out. You would have to change both the drawer and the suspension to correct a bad bearing issue.
If you have any questions or would like me to discuss a particular LISTA related topic, either post it here or feel free to contact me directly.
Joe
Let me start by addressing OLD vs. NEW LISTA cabinet designs, prompted by a GJ members call this morning.
OLD vs. NEW LISTA cabinets
About 5 years ago, LISTA changed the drawer and housing designs to incorporate a new drawer suspension system. Dimensions changed on cabinet housings and drawers so the drawers and housings between OLD vs. NEW are NOT interchangeable.
OLD Drawer Design: The OLD drawers used a suspension system with a tray under the drawer. This tray uses steel roller bearings as shown in the first two pictures. When purchasing an OLD design cabinet make sure that the roller bearings are not worn out. These bearings are no longer available from LISTA or the actual bearing manufacturer.
NEW Drawer Design: The NEW drawers use a totally different suspension system; one that uses a Polyoxymethylene (POM) bearing and no tray underneath. All of the suspension is handled on just the sides. While the new bearings might look like plastic, they are really a high tech solution to traditional bearings. In the five years this has been in use we have not seen any failures or excessive wear. The remaining pictures show the NEW suspension system.
Retrofitting NEW into OLD : The NEW suspension can not be used with an OLD drawer since the NEW housing is a bit narrower on the inside and the suspension tracks would be too far inboard for the OLD drawer design to work properly with the new suspension. Additionally the NEW suspension can not be used with a NEW drawer in an OLD cabinet. This is due to two important facts: 1) The NEW housing is narrower on the inside and 2) The drawer Z-channels on the sides are different. Here enters the HYBRID solution.
Hybrid Solution: The HYBRID solution of putting NEW suspension in an OLD cabinet involves a special HYBRID drawer design. Lista has an option whereby a NEW drawer can be made with a different Z-channel that will allow it to be used with NEW suspension parts in an OLD cabinet housing.
When considering the purchase of a used LISTA cabinet, take into considerations the quality of the roller bearings. OLD cabinets that are heavily used could have bearing failure or be close to bearing failure. You can not purchase replacement drawer trays or bearings so your purchase might not be such a good deal if the cabinet is all worn out. You would have to change both the drawer and the suspension to correct a bad bearing issue.
If you have any questions or would like me to discuss a particular LISTA related topic, either post it here or feel free to contact me directly.
Joe
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