Amber ooze? Any ideas?

[Jsf721]

I had my floor done by a professional company that I checked references on. I should also note that I'm not sure that they did anything wrong yet

Here is the follow up post and the original is embedded.

www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230698&highlight=Jsf721

So I noticed this amber sticky material under the front of my car. Could not located the cause of the drip. I placed a large towel under the car so I could identify exactly where it landed. After ruining a few towels I purchased a aluminum disposable cookie sheets taped bounty towels to it asm low and behold, the ooze was under the sheets.

Now I start seeing it in several places. Mostly where there are what look like mini volcanoes my guess is solvent pop. What is this and how do I fix it. I left a message with the installing company and have not heard back.

Floor is 100 percent epoxy, color coat, chips then clear the next day.




I would appreciate it if someone can explain what happening and how to fix it.

Thanks

 

[Stinger]

Pics?

 

[Jsf721]

I will post some up tonight.

Pics?

 

[NitroShark]

Floor is 100 percent epoxy

100% epoxy will not have any real quantity of solvents to "pop".

I would guess the ..Part A and Part B where not mixed completely and you now have uncured soft spots.


Shawn

 

[Jsf721]

Updated original post with pic

 

[bdamico]

wow. after all the research and threads leading up to this. that *****

 

[Jsf721]

I am POd for sure. Spoke to installer who asked for pictures. He claims it's moisture coming up from the slab. No way. This stuff is sticky and looks like uncured epoxy.

I need to find a lab to tell me it's not mostly water so I can get warranty honored. The part that stinks is I recommended this guy to many people. Now less than 2 years later I am having a problem.

I really think the issue was the clear wore off the hight spots and now the ooze is coming up.

Wonder if I clean it. And re clear it if I will be ok?

wow. after all the research and threads leading up to this. that *****

 

[benwah]

No it will not. If there are multiple instances of this, that means more than likely there may be more improperly cured/mixed epoxy resin underneath your floor.

If you have a warranty file a claim. Swipe some of that goop up and put it in a clear vial and take more pics of the floor in these failure areas. If worse comes to worse you have liquid evidence for a chemistry lab to test. Or just taste it, does it taste like epoxy? just kidding, don't do that.

If the installer is saying it's a moisture issue, that is on them as well. They more than likely did not properly test the floor for moisture per

ASTM D 4263 - Standard Test Method for Indicating Moisture in Concrete by the Plastic Sheet Method ,

ASTM F 1869 "Standard Test Method for Measuring Moisture Vapor Emission Rate of Concrete Subfloor Using Anhydrous Calcium Chloride ,

or

ASTM F 2170-02– Standard Test Method for Determining Relative Humidity in Concrete Floor Slabs Using in situ Probes

If they did any of these tests, they should have the results documented. I wouldn't bring it up unless they fight you on it.

 

[Jsf721]

Do you know a lab I can send this too? Also what is the uv resistant clear coat called?

Lastly, is there any way to fix without a re grind. I am not not up for emptying the garage again.

Thanks.

No it will not. If there are multiple instances of this, that means more than likely there may be more improperly cured/mixed epoxy resin underneath your floor.

If you have a warranty file a claim. Swipe some of that goop up and put it in a clear vial and take more pics of the floor in these failure areas. If worse comes to worse you have liquid evidence for a chemistry lab to test. Or just taste it, does it taste like epoxy? just kidding, don't do that.

If the installer is saying it's a moisture issue, that is on them as well. They more than likely did not properly test the floor for moisture per

ASTM D 4263 - Standard Test Method for Indicating Moisture in Concrete by the Plastic Sheet Method ,

ASTM F 1869 "Standard Test Method for Measuring Moisture Vapor Emission Rate of Concrete Subfloor Using Anhydrous Calcium Chloride ,

or

ASTM F 2170-02– Standard Test Method for Determining Relative Humidity in Concrete Floor Slabs Using in situ Probes

If they did any of these tests, they should have the results documented. I wouldn't bring it up unless they fight you on it.

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Wow, this is coming up nearly two years later?
That is bizarre. I can't see resin sitting in liquid form for that long under the coating.
Any water testing or environmental lab should be able to test for % water.

Benwah, most garage installers have a "moisture clause" in the contract. You may not see this so much out west, but it's common-place on the east coast.

 

[Jsf721]

Do you have a lab can use in NY.

My warranty only states flooding or bubbling of the film caused by hydrostatic pressure. This is neither.

Wow, this is coming up nearly two years later?
That is bizarre. I can't see resin sitting in liquid form for that long under the coating.
Any water testing or environmental lab should be able to test for % water.

Benwah, most garage installers have a "moisture clause" in the contract. You may not see this so much out west, but it's common-place on the east coast.

 

[benwah]

If it were me, I would call the manufacturer. They will either have their own lab, or a 3rd party lab they use for testing that is familiar with their products. I would then attempt to file a product complaint with the manufacturer. If I didn't know which exact products were used, I'd contact the installer and inquire.

edit: Forgot to mention. The purpose of the product complaint is not to make the installer look bad. It is to address the system and products used and what is happening, how it happened, surface prep, when it happened etc. That will help give them a general understanding.

 

[benwah]

Benwah, most garage installers have a "moisture clause" in the contract. You may not see this so much out west, but it's common-place on the east coast.

D'oh! Well that makes sense.. I've never even asked my guys about that , going to see what they say!

 

[thegarageguy]

this is a double post.....can a moderator fix this by combining them somehow?

 

[benwah]

Any updates with this OP?

 

[thegarageguy]

The OP called me and I led him to a lab where he can get a core sample tested to make sure what the problem is.

 

[Jsf721]

Spoke to Mineralogy and thy will do an IR test for 150 bucks. Now all I need do do it get the core sample taken. I went to HD to get a core drill. They wanted to rent me a Hammer Drill with a cement hole saw. I have a Hammer drill at work, so I hope to get it done next weekend

The OP called me and I led him to a lab where he can get a core sample tested to make sure what the problem is.

 

[mnavillus]

HMMMM!! This is a new one on me!

I like the idea of having a sample tested to find out what exactly it is?

Do you know what epoxy flooring products (what system?) he used for your application?

Can you get the PDS (product data sheets) and MSDS sheets(Material safety data sheets)?

thanks

 

[Jsf721]

This is a very old update. I was told that the sample is an uncured part of the epoxy. Not the Hardener part.

Vendor stopped responding, Epoxy Pro's. Daniel was horrible to deal with on this issue. He promised that he would send a clear coat to top it to fix it but I would have to to the labor. I said its under warranty, he said NO, ill send the product you get the labor. Never sent the product.

No water found in sample so the hydrotstatic pressure he claimed was the cause is totally false. I still have the issue today 7 years later. What I did to minimize it was borrow a tennis court weighted roller and force out as much as possible and clean up the mess. Still have a occasional ooze in areas but its better. Some day when I have an extra 5-7K I will grind it off and either polish the concrete or cover with a flooring tile of some sort. Ceramic would be my first choice but I'm just out of flooring budget for the foreseeable future.

Over the last few years areas have also delaminated. Tons of fun to spot fix.

 

[383]

Thanks for the update, hate not knowing how issues in threads turn out. Good like with what ever you do to fix it.

 

[rburke65]

This is why I am anti epoxy....

 

[steve308]

Amber ooze....I think i saw her dance in Vegas

 

[CombatNinja]

Nah, her name was Cinnamon Sheen. Amber Ooze is what comes out of your **** after you spend the night with her.

 

[Jsf721]

I don’t think I’ll ever epoxy a floor again. I’ll polish the concrete.

 

[Armorpoxy]

We would not recommend polishing a garage floor as polished concrete is generally not resistant to auto fluids, salts, etc, hence why they don't polish floors in car dealers. Topical coatings resist problems, non-topical don't as resist as well.

 

[Jsf721]

We would not recommend polishing a garage floor as polished concrete is generally not resistant to auto fluids, salts, etc, hence why they don't polish floors in car dealers. Topical coatings resist problems, non-topical don't as resist as well.

I know this is not your product, but it is 100% Epoxy, Heavy aray of chips, Polly espartic top with shark grip. I spec'd it to outlast me. Installer had great references and I spoke to satisfied customers. I was one until...

This floor continues to be a huge PITA and I totally wish I never went down the Epoxy path. Right now I just don't have the time to empty the carage and get the floor redone. Nobody really wants to deal with the mess of removing it and neither do I. Plus how much more $ do I want to throw at the floor?

 

[PoorUB]

Don't blame the product when it was poor installation that caused the issue.
Your installer screwed you, plan and simple.

I put down epoxy on my garage floor 30 years ago and would do it again without hesitation. If fact I am past due for a recoat. It is a working shop so lots of welding painting and auto repair over the years and it really needs to be redone.

 

[Armorpoxy]

UB, if your epoxy is reasonably intact you can just apply a coat of our topcoat with high wear additive. We offer them pigmented to it gives the floor a 'like new' appearance. If you are missing a few spots of epoxy you can spot prime with small kits we carry.