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and so it begins.....again. My 32x32 Build.

Hi all.
I've been poking around this site for a long time but never posted, so I figured I start with new garage project.
I'm an avid car hobbyist. I've owned the same 71 Charger since I was in my early 20's and have loved working on it for most of my life (in my 50's now). the car has moved with me through 3 apartments (one in Yonkers...yuk), being parked on the street, and 4 houses all with garages of one sort or another.
I had built a 32x32 garage once before. My friends and I did everything except the pour. We nick named it the Garage-mahal. I ended up losing it when I got divorced. Needless to say I was devastated.
Now here I am again with the opportunity to have a nice garage. My current wife and I are building a new house. My only requirement I had was to be able to recreate the Garage-mahal, although this time with 12' ceilings so I can put in a lift (yippie!)
The builder I hired for the house is going to do the garage as well so this time I won't have to kill my back. It will be a stick built, truss roof construction. 10' 2x6 walls on a poured foundation wall extending 2' above grade, 3 8x9 insulated overhead doors, 1 man door, 5 windows and a 2" conduit from the house.
In order to keep costs down, he's building just the shell with windows and doors. No wiring or insulation. I'll add that at a later date myself.
Hopefully construction should start early next week. I've got my fingers crossed that the weather holds out a little bit longer so the ground doesn't freeze up and cause excavation issues.
Once it starts, I'll post pics of it going up. (I'm so excited!!)

Pete
 
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Congrats, should be a great build to follow. We like pics here!

Sorry about losing the last garage though, that ***** hard. Where are you located (maybe put in your profile) ?
 

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Hi all.

I had built a 32x32 garage once before. My friends and I did everything except the pour. We nick named it the Garage-mahal. I ended up losing it when I got divorced. Needless to say I was devastated.

Pete

Devestated about the garage or the divorce?
 

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Lessons learned from my recent garage build: be clear WHERE it will be built if that is important to you, the HOA, county zoning officials, etc. You don't want to suffer delays for reapprovals.

One thing that jumped out at me: can the contractor get a COO with no fixtures connected? My GC told me he had to provide at least one indoor light, one outdoor light, and one receptacle indoors before he could get it signed off by the county. Maybe that varies by municipality.
 

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Welcome aboard!

We like pictures and details so don’t disappoint us. Looking forward to the build.

I’m also partial to Mopars so +5!
 
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I did a site walk through with the contractor yesterday and the building permit was issued so we're all set to start digging!!. Lets hope the weather cooperates.
 
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FINALLY!!! We got a break in the weather and the contractor was finally able to get the foundation poured. Hopefully he can get started on Framing next week.

I'll keep ya'll posted.:bounce:
 

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congrats, can't wait to see your build come to life.
Your not to far from me. I know the feeling about Yonkers. To many people and not enough land. I would love to live in a more rural area. But have to consider schools.
 
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Stopped by the job site this morning. The forms have all been removed and they back filled against the foundation.
 

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here's my weekly update. The floors have been poured at 6" and 3000psi. perfect for the 2 post lift. Covered in plastic so they dry nice and slow.
 

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I know it's been a few weeks since my last update, but the framers were concentrating on getting the house framed before starting the garage. In 2 days it went from just a foundation and floor to a fully framed garage. These guys are quick!

I'm thinking of adding a car port on the right side of the garage. It'll give me a place to store things I don't want cluttering up the floor.

With a 2 car garage attached to the house, the wife can park her car in that garage and stay out of my shop!!!:rocker:
 

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Nice looking place for a new house and garage. Keep us posted - I'm subscribing!

What engine is in the Charger? Is it a 383?
 
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Re: and so it begins.....again. My 32x32 Build

What engine is in the Charger? Is it a 383?

At the moment it has a 360 I built years ago, but I have a 512 on the run-in stand I built last summer ready to go in as soon as I move in to the new digs :D
 

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Yay!! we have an update!! the sheathing is up. They haven't removed the temporary bracing yet though. Looks like they started the roofing by putting up the drip edge, weather guard and tar paper. Just in time for the latest winter storm. 12" of wet, heavy snow. Is it ever going to stop raining and/or snowing?? If I was really smart, I'd be building this in Florida....but then again, I ain't so smart :willy_nil
 

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Looks great, but did they follow the plan for the shear values on that front wall? All of the racking resistance comes from the sheathing, but they dropped the ball bigtime, unless im not seeing something? Looks great though, just might want to look into that.
 
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Looks great, but did they follow the plan for the shear values on that front wall? All of the racking resistance comes from the sheathing, but they dropped the ball bigtime, unless im not seeing something? Looks great though, just might want to look into that.

I'm not sure what you're looking at. Why do you think they dropped the ball? Everything to this point is according to the approved plans and has passed all inspections.
 

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The way the shear sheeting is installed. It isn't nailed on all edges. And why the half sheets? I'm guessing that there is a different standard for out buildings where you are. Things like the 24" oc framing and essentially no shear value in the front wall. Don't worry, I don't think it is going to fall down but it is a bit unusual for a building that size.
 
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24" oc with 2x6 construction is plenty strong for southern NY, especially for a detached, non-living space structure. I'll agree that the half sheet plywood is a bit unusual and I will bring that up with my builder. Also to note. the sheeting is plywood, not OSB so I would think that's quite a bit stronger.
 

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The issue is not OSB vs plywood the issue is complete nailing. The horizontal sheeting is okay but there should be blocking at all the edges. Plus there is no way that there is enough shear value in the front wall with the one foot sections between the doors. As I said before the building department probably has a lower standard for unoccupied out buildings and that is okay.
 
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I've never seen blocking and nailing along all edges of the sheeting in any construction in this area. I have to trust that the architect, engineer, builder and building inspectors know more than I do.
 

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Regional differences. Some places have their own codes and lower standards. Obviously houses around you are not collapsing so you should be fine. I look at some of the buildings around here that are 140 years old and at 9500 feet that according to current wisdom should have fallen down years ago and wonder why we are doing so much work today.
 
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FINALLY, some progress on my garage. The builder has been concentrating on the house (which is understandable) but the siding, windows and man door are finally in. He's talking about a June completion date for everything.
I can't' wait until I finally get to finish out the inside with heat, electric, lighting, etc.
Planing on putting all cabinets, shelves and benches on wheels so it can be moved around easily. I want to figure out some kind of latch system for the work benches so they'll attach to the wall when needed.
Still deciding on which 2 post lift I want. I'm leaning towards the Challenger LE10 for it's symmetric/asymmetric versatility but I'm still deciding.
 

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Looking good.
As for a lift, unless the columns rotate (I have never some one that does) there is no dual symmetric/asymmetric. That is marketing BS.
Either one will likely work for you. It's hard to perfectly balance every vehicle anyhow, there will be some loading on the slide blocks. Pick the one you like.
 

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A great start on the building, and the house, congratulations.

What he's saying is that the design may "meet the code," but the code is a minimum prescriptive code. You can build 'above the code' requirements, and adding shear strength at the garage door openings is a very-good place to do it! You can do it yourself, it wouldn't take much, but I suggest construction screws rather than nailing, for the superior holding-power. If you went online to see what a typical shear-wall design is for your dimensions, copy that and you will have additional strength where it could save your building during an extreme event. You're on L.I. Sound, yes? Did that hurricane come through your new building site, causing damage? That's a good reason to go above-code for windstorm resistance in your building envelope. I strongly-suggest you investigate the Miami-Dade County, Florida HVHZ rating (high-velocity hurricane zone) for both your upgrade to your walls at the garage doors (shear walls) and for the HVHZ rating for whatever garage doors you decide to install. It probably wouldn't cost a lot more than you're spending now, and since you've had hurricane exposure and you're probably close-to L.I.Sound, this is a prudent expenditure to make. If your wall was breached during a windstorm, typically at the doors is where it could happen, you could lost the entire building.

Throwing in some additional blocking to give the plywood sheathing support on all edges is something you could do yourself, and is a good practice for increased strength.

We have to comply with the Florida HVHZ rating, we're a ways from the ocean, but the windstorm resistance in our geographic area is mandatory. For example, we have two single-bay garage doors with a similar spacing, but the space between them, indeed, the entire gable side of the building, is solid poured concrete with 7/8" rebar. It's 14" wide between the door openings, 8" deep not-including the stucco. The doors have different gauge metal, hardware, and design, than a standard, to-code non-HVHZ design, and are good for gusts to 175 mph.

Don't forget, if a hurricane eye passes-over you the direction of the wind 'clocks,' and then you're faced with the same speeds from an entirely different direction.

Looks great, but did they follow the plan for the shear values on that front wall? All of the racking resistance comes from the sheathing, but they dropped the ball bigtime, unless im not seeing something? Looks great though, just might want to look into that.
 
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One of my friends just built and sold a spec-luxury home in Durango CO, and I'm sure as a Florida-licensed G.C. he recognized the differences in the code from here in Florida. Code evolves over time as new practices, materials, and information is available. In south Florida, Hurricane Andrew caused a huge revamping of our building code, and it's undergone multiple revisions since then.

I was working fire-rescue when Andrew hit the region, and I'll never forget the widespread devastation and structural failures I saw, and structural failures I didn't see, as a result of that storm. I helped one of my co-workers tear-off and dry-in a new roof after the storm, he was < 10 miles from where Andrew made landfall. His neighborhood lost nearly the entire tree canopy. Some neighbors weren't as-lucky as him, they lost their roof sheathing, leaving their homes looking like doll's houses, just reach right-in from the top! Strikingly, a new construction home with a hip roof across the street and modern hurricane shutters only received damage from the debris that was wind-borne, a striking example of the effectiveness of modern design in-contrast to the damage around it.

One thing I'll remember, while up on the roof, replacing his covering, and looking-across miles of devastation as-far as you could see, was the appearance of the evergreen trees. They had been denuded of their entire array of branches around the trunks, from bottom to top, except where the tree's trunk placed the branches in the lee of the windstorm. The branches on that one side of the tree, behind the trunk, were the only branches still attached. They were a natural indicator of the direction of the wind as the hurricane crossed the neighborhood, the branches pointing in the direction from-which the wind came. Eerie.

Regional differences. Some places have their own codes and lower standards. Obviously houses around you are not collapsing so you should be fine. I look at some of the buildings around here that are 140 years old and at 9500 feet that according to current wisdom should have fallen down years ago and wonder why we are doing so much work today.
 
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one thing I can say about this forum is there isn't a shortage of people willing to tell you how wrong you're doing things, regardless of how many inspectors, architects, engineers, builders and my own experience tell me. Someone a thousand miles away with zero knowledge of local building codes always seems to know more than my local experts know.

I think I'm pretty much done here. The keyboard warriors are just too much to take.

good bye
 

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You missed my point. In some areas, like the next county over from me, they have less stringent code requirements for out buildings and non occupied structures. It isn't a knock on your building it is just a fact. None of the things we are talking about are new. When I started framing in the early seventies we were dealing with the same issues. We had to nail all edges of shear sheeting back then also. This is all knowledge gained from experience with earthquakes, tornadoes and hurricanes. Building practices have advanced through the years and we have safer structures because of that knowledge. However statistically you are less likely to be injured in a shed, barn or detached garage than in your home.
 

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If there is ever a misconstrued message-received incident, this is it. No one is telling you "that's wrong, what you've done." Personally, I offered you observations based upon accepted building practices to a higher standard than yours, and prefaced as-such. Your over-reaction shows me that you completely misunderstood the spirit in-which such comments were made.

"Good-enough" is a paraphrase denoting that which may satisfy your local code, and that allows you to legally comply with current local requirements. "Best practices" is an example of what to do, with materials, construction techniques, and design beyond the basic requirements. Sometimes these changes are the result of incidents which point-out deficiencies in the building industry as currently-practiced, due to environmental issues or an exposure to information gleaned over time seeing what has happened because of the use of materials or building practices as-adopted, or because of weather events, or geological ones (hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, earthquakes). Becoming aware of advancements along these lines is what drives changes in codes over times, The end result is a safer, better-constructed structure reflecting the advancements allowing such changes. That is why the authorities having jurisdiction (AHJ) meet periodically to adopt changes in code.

Examples of this are found across the industries of construction, land use, life safety and yes, politics.

Lead was once used to solder copper water pipes together until the detrimental effects of lead poisoning became evident; tetraethyl lead was discovered by Kettering and Midgely of GM-Delco Laboratories to be an effective additive to substantially-boost the octane rating of gasoline, allowing engines to produce more horsepower due-to increased engine compression, with a side benefit to your Mopar engine of cushioning the valves on their seats due to lead deposits in this area. In the building trades, lead in paint was an accepted component offering weather resistance, ease of application and appearance sustainability over time. And time, and the accumulation of knowledge is what allowed and then caused the use of lead to be eliminated in each of these areas, because of the damage to the environment, and the cumulative effects of lead in it.

Firefighters in the USA are familiar with the conflagration referred-to as the Triangle Shirtwaist Co. Fire. Nearly 150 employees were trapped and died in an industrial setting because a number of accepted practices existed. Briefly, workers were locked-in at their place of work in a multi-story building, with inadequate means of egress from the workplace in the event of a fire, requiring rapid evacuation. Even if they weren't locked-in the means of egress was inadequate to rapidly evacuate the number of workers employed. There were no building sprinklers to provide fire suppression in the event of an incipient fire in the building. The accumulation of debris from the occupancy manufacturing, and the lack of adequate removal of waste, and the method of storage of manufactured goods on the shop floor proved to be both barriers to orderly evacuation, if such evacuation was possible in a timely fashion (it was not) and a source of feeding the fire once it began. A lack of standpipes for firefighting crews and adequate fire alarms to alert occupants to the need to evacuate all combined to cause the deaths of nearly 150 of building occupants in the ensuing fire. The public outcry over this tragedy is often cited as the primary reason for the development of sprinkler systems to protect lives and property, along with requirements for adequate means of egress from an occupancy for the building inhabitants, and the need to alert occupants in the event of a fire.

Not-more than five years before this, the entire city of San Francisco experienced devastation due-to an environmental disaster as an earthquake destroyed the city's structures and infrastructures, collapsing thousands of buildings, causing the deaths of a number of people equivalent to NYC's Twin Trade Towers collapse, and the Pentagon and PA plane crashes of 9-11-01. Because the water supply was affected, rendered useless, the ensuing firestorm and the building damage rendered a quarter-million-plus homeless, that-day.

The failure of the water containment system for the region of New Orleans and the Mississippi delta and the Gulf Coast's exposure because of what Hurricane Katrina caused have resulted in political action to push the improvements in infrastructure and land development to hopefully minimize such widespread loss of life and of property in the future, given another environmental occurrence.

Assuming that you are in the Village of Port Chester NY your local authority having jurisdiction (AHJ) has adopted the New York State Uniform Fire Prevention and Building Code (the Uniform Code) https://ecode360.com/10908444. The NYS Uniform Fire Prevention Code references the NFPA as-adopted, and allows for local additions. I have worked with the NFPA code for my entire career, so I am familiar with what is used in your jurisdiction.

I am a member of the NFPA, a career firefighter/paramedic, a lifesafety inspector, a fireservice instructor, and a plans examiner. My career began forty-three years ago, and I am retired but retain my credentials.

When field professionals of long-standing choose to share their knowledge, skills, and abilities with whoever may-be the recipient through whatever means of transmittal, it is the prerogative of the person-receiving to ignore the effort of communication.

No-one here in the thread has made any such accusation of,
how wrong you're doing things. No-one has impugned or maligned the work and reputations of the inspectors, architects, engineers, and builders you have used, nor that of yourself. I hope that you understand that, but reading your comments makes me suspect otherwise. For-that I am truly sorry. I can only speak for myself, but I suspect I may have acted in this thread in the same spirit as others who have posted, offering information to you based on such things as, "best practices," and of building construction above the minimum prescriptive code enforced by your local AHJ.


one thing I can say about this forum is there isn't a shortage of people willing to tell you how wrong you're doing things, regardless of how many inspectors, architects, engineers, builders and my own experience tell me. Someone a thousand miles away with zero knowledge of local building codes always seems to know more than my local experts know.

I think I'm pretty much done here. The keyboard warriors are just too much to take.

good bye
 

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love it, love the color. zone out what bothers you,please continue, and those making the comments on codes where you live,let it go, he doesn't want to hear it.
 
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