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Raisedonadeere

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I have come to the point that I need to add to my grinder capability, The little Makita 4" I have had for 25 years doesn't measure up any more. It has been awesome for what it was. I do mostly odd jobs, large mower blades, small welding projects, an occasional concrete groove, never use for more that half hour or so.

Going for a spoil myself purchase, 5" that can also use 4.5", but when I load up with goodies like tool-less change, variable speed, soft start with braking ---trade offs pop up. One thing I haven't been able to narrow down is the choice between High Torque models that run in the neighborhood of 8500 to 9000 peak rpm and the others that run around 10500-11000RPM

I tend toward just sticking with the higher RPM models but using brushes, and grinding concrete on just a few jobs might make we wish for the High Torque models.

It looks like High Torque model might be the better "do everything" choice since I don't plan on adding to the stable, but I am just curious as to when I would miss the higher speeds.
 
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The only thing I see the high speed necessary for is large areas of mill scale removal. For smaller areas like sharpening something, I worry about removing too much material too fast. And then there's the wire brush. A slower speed would allow you to use a larger brush without turning the wire strands into projectiles.
 

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11,000 rpm angle grinders are usually small compact angle grinders, with a max wheel size of 4.5”(115mm), although 4”(100mm) angle grinders also may run at 11,000 rpm.

4” angle grinders are pretty obscure in the USA. Makita sells at least one model, but Makita is a Japanese manufacturer and 4” angle grinders are a standard and still common size in Japan. Harbor Freight also sells a 4” model. I presume in the past other manufacturers like Hitachi might have as well.

For 4.5” angle grinders, the common US speed was 10,000 rpm, and that speed for 4.5” angle grinders was pretty standard.
Bosch manufactured some of their 4.5” compact angle grinders in 11,000rpm, as did Fein, and maybe it’s become somewhat more common since I started buying tools 2+ decades ago, but it was usually the exception as far as speed for a 4.5” rather than the norm.
Fein does seem to manufacture most of their current smaller (4.5” and 5”) angle grinders in 11,000 rpm nowadays do maybe it’s a better speed, but I’m not certain.

As far as 8,500-9,000rpm grinders, those are and were commonly made for running 6” wheels, and 6” angle grinders were always the weird size, at least for the last two decades, within the US. Fein and Flex and Metabo offered one or two 6” models, as did Porter Cable (whose grinders were made by Flex) But 6” angle grinders were sort of a weird soecialty size.
The other reason you find 8,500rpm grinders is Inox( ie. stainless) models, meant for people who process stainless steel.
Speeds typically vary, but grinders meant for stainless steel processing usually come in 5” size, and run somewhere around 2,000rpm-7,600rpm, and almost always have variable speed.

Maybe I’m a bit behind, since angle grinder speeds seem to have increased over the past 5 years or so with newer models,
Or maybe cutting and grinding wheels have gotten safer and stronger, since since specified max rpm of the grinding wheel usually specifies the max speed of the grinder you should use.

If you want higher torque, just check the angle grinder wattages of the grinders you’re considering.
Efficiency of motors can vary by manufacturer, but from the same manufacturer, a 5” 1200 watt grinder is going to have higher torque than a 5” 700watt angle grinder.
The only exception to this is possible differences in motor design, such as the newer Hitachi/MetaboHPT brushless grinders.

Two other things to consider, are the guard size, and possible safe use of grinder wheels.

A larger grinder guard can let you use larger grinding wheels, as well as still letting you use smaller sizes, but the larger grinder guard may get in the way during cuts in confined places, as well as if you need to grind close to or next to an obstruction.

The other major issue with rpm is safety.
Even with “variable speed” angle grinders, you’re really not supposed to use wheels rated above the max rpm on the grinding disc/wheel. Thr reason being that if the electronic speed control fails, the grinder can ramp up to full speed and possibly cause a lower rated disc to explode.
A lower 8,500 rpm would prevent this.
You might also check into whether it might be possible to use a 6” guard on the grinder if you’re considering buying a 8,500rpm grinder.
Manufacturers won’t tell you if it’s possible, but if you go to ereplacement parts, you can use their database to check whether the angle grinder lower section were the guard attaches is used on more than one model, and then check whether those models include both 5” and 6” grinders. If so, than you can probable purchase an extra larger guard and use it with the larger wheels if the max speed of the wheels is within spec.
 

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A 4 inch is a girls grinder. Even though it seems minor a 4 1/2 is quite a step up. Dont worry about all that sheet, go to Walmart and git u a BD to start with and go from there. You can always get more better but for a guy been using a 4 inch it will seem like a rocket.
 

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I don't disagree that a cheap angle grinder can be a great tool, but I will add that I have a cheap PC angle grinder and scored a used Metabo at a garage sale for $5, and the Metabo is MUCH more smooth when running then the PC. I do notice the difference.
 

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The slower speed is AN ADVANTAGE. Flap discs work best at 7,000 rpm. A six inch grinder is optimum for using cut off discs as you can cut deeper and longer before the wheel wears out.
 
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The slower speed is AN ADVANTAGE. Flap discs work best at 7,000 rpm. A six inch grinder is optimum for using cut off discs as you can cut deeper and longer before the wheel wears out.

Tanks for the comment about flap disks. I have just recently started using them, just got stuck in the dark ages somewhere.
 
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It seems I am not likely to have buyers remorse with the variable speed Metabo 2800-9600 RPM grinder, they call a High Torque model. In all the comments above I don't recall any thing that would cause me to want to upgrade to a more expensive unit that does 2800-11000. just to get an extra 1400 RPM.
 

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It seems I am not likely to have buyers remorse with the variable speed Metabo 2800-9600 RPM grinder, they call a High Torque model. In all the comments above I don't recall any thing that would cause me to want to upgrade to a more expensive unit that does 2800-11000. just to get an extra 1400 RPM.


Ha, you definitely won’t have buyer’s remorse. I have the 5” model (WEV 15-125) and equipped it with 6” accessories (guards/etc.) and it’s amazing. 9600 is where most 6” grinders max out at, so it’s plenty safe. It also shares the same HT motor as their non-vs 6” model. It may work the electrics a little harder, but I don’t care. It’s a quality tool that’s proven itself to survive in way more grueling environments than what I’m exposing it to. Coming from a 10k rpm 10amp 4.5” Dewalt, the thing is unreal. The VS is so so good and the power is endless. You will not be disappointed.
 
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Ha�� I had already made my peace with 9600 limit because it looked like I could do what you did by swapping in 6” guard for cut off disks. You verified it. It will be interesting to see how 5” vs 6” grinding disk works out on Bush hog blades
 

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Yeah, I also picked up the shock absorbing handle. The hard handle it comes with is ok, but that little extra give makes for an even better experience.
 

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Another thing to keep in mind about grinder sizes is the wheel speed at the work.

4" = 12.5 LI (Linear Inches)
4.5" = 14 LI
5" = 15.75 LI
7" = 22 LI
9" = 28 LI

So it's easy to see if a 4.5" grinder spins at 10,000 rpms a 9" would only need to spin at 5,000 to match the linear inch rate. The bonding characteristics of grinding wheels will determine the safe speed rate based on centrifugal forces, heat and friction etc.

I like 9" mainly for the depth of cut when it's needed.
I like 4" mainly to get into tight spots (but I also have smaller discs for 1/4" die grinders).
I use 5" mostly but 7" is the next most used size for me.
 
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I could go to 5 but 90% of my stuff is a simple zing and am so used to it for so long. I like a 7 air sander. Wheels are so economical with 4.5.
 

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I use 6" grinders for almost everything these days. Not much bigger/heavier than 4.5" grinders, and you get noticeably more cutting depth.

The Metabo 4.5" and 6" grinders (and their 7" grinders for that matter) have interchangeable guards. You can put a 6" guard on a 4.5" grinder. Some of their cordless grinders come with both guards since they top out around 9000RPM, so they can use 4.5" or 6" discs.

For a Metabo part, the guards are surprisingly inexpensive.

You'll absolutely be happy with a Metabo grinder. I have a few of them and absolutely love them. The higher end models are ridiculously smooth and powerful. I personally would rather get a model with the brake than the variable speed, but your use case may vary.
 
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Sometimes it turns out you can't get what you want. At first I was concerned with lesser RPM of the high torque model Metabo but thinking about it a bit aided by comments here I fell in love with the idea of the lower 9600 RPM being perfect when I would go to 6" disks getting the equivalent linear speed of a 5" at 11000. Looking at my various uses the 9600RPM 5" hits the sweet spot.

So I made up my mind to go for the high torque 5", the Metabo WEV15-125RT but I also wanted the Quick change feature along with the attendant clutch that protects from jams. Turns out I can only get QUICK in a 11000 RPM version of the 5". I would pay the extra $50 for the quick but I wanted the High Torque 9600 RPM version so I could use 6" disks safely.

can any of you comment on how slick or not slick the QUICK feature is on these Metabo's? Maybe it is not worth having me compromise my speed choice.
 

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I've been using a 6" Dewalt with cut-off wheels almost exclusively lately. I only had a 4.5 grinder before, but the 6" is way more versatile for cutting.

Only downside is 6" blades are pretty expensive, but if you buy them online in bulk, they are cheaper than 4.5" from the local outfits. The Dewalt can actually be used with 4.5, 5 and 6 discs and has the 3 guards. I've only used the 6" on that one though, since I use my 4.5" for grinding/flap discs.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-13-Amp-Corded-4-1-2-in-Angle-Grinder-DWE43116/301354058
 

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Sometimes it turns out you can't get what you want. At first I was concerned with lesser RPM of the high torque model Metabo but thinking about it a bit aided by comments here I fell in love with the idea of the lower 9600 RPM being perfect when I would go to 6" disks getting the equivalent linear speed of a 5" at 11000. Looking at my various uses the 9600RPM 5" hits the sweet spot.

So I made up my mind to go for the high torque 5", the Metabo WEV15-125RT but I also wanted the Quick change feature along with the attendant clutch that protects from jams. Turns out I can only get QUICK in a 11000 RPM version of the 5". I would pay the extra $50 for the quick but I wanted the High Torque 9600 RPM version so I could use 6" disks safely.

can any of you comment on how slick or not slick the QUICK feature is on these Metabo's? Maybe it is not worth having me compromise my speed choice.

There are toolless grinder flange nuts available, if you’re worried about having to **** about with a wrench to remove and change out cutting and grinding wheels.
This won’t help you with threaded accessories like wire wheels or threaded cutting discs but it would be somewhat handy for regular non threaded discs.
This is the Milwaukee version for 5/8”-11 arbors.
If you decide to go metric, those should be easier to find.
There’s another style as well.
Jacobs used to sell it in the USA, but has sonce discontinued it,
and I think Metabo might have used a modified version of it in the past.
The design was more complicated than the FixTec version.
 
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I might try the tool lees flange down the road but for now I am sticking with the high torque model. Metabo’s offering QUICK on their less popular models. Along with that Metabo along with every other brand makes it just about impossible to figure out what the differences are among the models really is. Turns out the Quick feature is companion to a mechanical clutch where as the other electronic models just shut the motor off electrically during a jam, not near as effective since the inertia of the motor has to be spent in the jam in stead of being mechanically isolated. I would seriously like to have the safety advantage of the mechanical clutch but is not available on the 5” high torque model. The only way to figure out these models out is to actually use them or have a good review explain it knowledgeably, or hopefully learn from a discussion like this.

Internet shopping shopping ***** unless you already know what you want.
 
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I bought one of the 5" Metabo high torque variable speed models and loved it so much I bought another. I keep a flap wheel on one and grinding wheel on the other. Neither has the tool-less feature. You won't regret it. I think I have the WEV15-125
 

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Yeah, I also picked up the shock absorbing handle. The hard handle it comes with is ok, but that little extra give makes for an even better experience.

What's the PN for the shock absorbing handle? My first one came with it and the second one didn't, which was disappointing . Thanks!
 

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The quick change nut isn't really that important of a feature. The Metabo quick change nuts have 2 grooves on the side, and when they get worn or full of gunk, it makes it kinda difficult to thread off the nut. Except for when they're brand new, there is noticeably more friction to take off the nut than standard spanner wrench lock nuts that you're used to spinning off once its loosened.

I have 2 cordless Metabo grinders which aren't offered with their QUICK nuts, and I put these quick nuts with the flip up handle on them, and honestly I prefer them over the Metabo Quick nuts.

Also, for what its worth, Metabo grinders sold in the USA have 5/8-11 spindles. Only the european models have M14 spindles.
 

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Variable is the way to fly with wire wheels. I don't care for wide on standard electric, they are fine in 1/4 hard disk but I use air for 4 inch wire and the occasional pencil brush. Air for sander too.
Something else. Most grinding we do is a simple zing. I burned a couple disks off last week for a ragged repair. I can go a long time with a wheel most of the time especially if i am doing new or simple maint especially where i am the designer.
 
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