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bobcatdan

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My favorite is my 4" makita, just everything about it is just right. I don't think they have made it for 10 years or so. I also have a 4.5" metabo and it is a beast. Since buying that, my big 7" old back in the day when skill was good grinder sits on the shelf. Places where I have worked always had dewalt or Milwaukee. To me, dewalt is the Chevy of grinders. It will do what is asked and I wouldn't want any less. That said there is better. I personally like on off switches. Paddle switches are annoying.
 
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I know the cheap ones are "****" but I have a Dewalt and a nice 4.5" Bosch, and honestly the ones I reach for are the Menards $9 4" (I have two) and a HF 4.5" - I beat the hell out of them assuming they are "disposable and actually they have held up really well. There is a lot to be said for a "disposable" $10 grinder vs. a $50-$80 version . . .not as comfortable or fancy, but I'm spending the extra cash on the flap wheels.
 

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Fein's grinders look very nice also, I stay with the Metabo for the service and support they have locally. If you need power jump to a 5" model with a bigger motor. I plan to pickups a WE14-125 Plus, just wish you could get one with the balancer in the US.

If looking at them and wondering which ones are foreign, you can tell by the part number. The German made ones have the watts*100 listed after the letters (W8=800w,WEBPA14=1400w etc), the foreign ones list the wattage entirely (W720,W820,W1080, etc).

I have 3 from harbor freight and 1 dewalt. The dewalt is the best, but for the $10-20 each, the HF ones flat work.
Multiple grinders save A LOT of time when you set them up for different work (flap disc, wire, plastic, standard grinder) and don't have to switch things every time you need something else.

I actually disagree with this. If you have a grinder with a quick change setup like Metabo, and you swap the quick nut for a regular nut you can swap discs in no time, a second or two longer than it would take you to pick up another grinder. Plus you don't have to fondle three grinders and their tangled cords, and you have one nice grinder you can stand to hold onto for a few hours and not worry about it failing.

One thing nobody else has mentioned is consumable life. Not sure if others noticed this or not but when using some of the cheaper grinders they will eat through cutoff wheels much faster for some reason than the nicer ones. When I compared a cordless dewalt to cordless metabo, both with slicer cutoff wheels, cutting through 1.5" bar, the DeWalt ate an extra 3/4" off the wheel for some reason. Maybe its the balance, maybe it was just operator.

Having multiple grinders is nice, if you need them in multiple areas or for multiple people, but I'd take one nice grinder over multiple HF ones. Just me though, theres no right or wrong way. We use ours pretty hard and I hate having to deal with tools failing.

I will never buy an expensive grinder again, the BD from Wally works super, has a lot of power and last a long time, it has some of the same core parts as the yellow ones but lasts a lot longer. Its not the same as the cheap HF. Its one of the best grinders I have ever used. They put different jackets on it and price it at 100$. Have seen them in Menards on sale for 20, bought 3 just in case, havnt used them as the old ones still going. I put one on my bench where its a daily driver, its one of my top tool picks.

I'm guessing by expensive you mean a DeWalt, Milwaukee, etc? Sounds like you've gone through a lot of grinders in a short time, isn't it nicer to have one nice one that lasts? Nice ones still dont hold up to abuse, but we've forgotten about dealing with junk broken grinders around here since switching. Didn't cost that much either. $120 for a W8-115 (translation 8amp 4.5").

Sounds like a great grinder for moderate use, but I know you are not just tinkering on weekends.


My guys seam to beat the hell out of grinders. Milwaukee are the only ones that have held up for us. We have broke Dewalt, HF, Bosch, and Makita's. Use Dewalt on mostly everything else especially cordless. I have about 60 guys using dewalt cordless.

60 guys using cordless grinders? For what?

I got a Metabo cordless free with purchase of 400 slicers last year and its been a great grinder. Power, smooth, lint screens, battery rotates out of the way and made in germany surprisngly. Batteries run long and charge in 30 minutes or less. I do not like Metabos battery setup though, its too fragile and while they brag about how easy it is to remove their battery, its a problem in many situations where you accidentally bump the release and off it comes. Much prefer the two button squeeze like Milwaukee and others have.
 
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This.

To the OP,

Do you want a paddle switch, thumb switch or trigger switch? Do you want one that comes with adapters to properly mount a cutoff wheel, or just a regular grinding wheel? Some models don't come with the right adapters/guards to properly mount a cutoff wheel.

I went through this recently. I ended up getting a lower-priced Kawasaki (Alltrade) model because I was using it for grinding paint and rust with a wire brush and I needed a trigger switch and adjustable speed.

If you want cheap, there are many good reviews of the various HF models. I think the cheapest $10 one is sometimes criticized as underpowered. Other people like the Black and Decker and Skil models already mentioned in this thread.

I fondled all the different brands before I bought my last one and I found that the Makita paddle switch was the best of the moderately priced models with paddle switches, IMO. If I wanted one with a paddle I'd buy a Makita.

Wow, didnt expect this much input. Thanks guys. As far as the cutoff wheel, I'm not sure. It would be handy, so most likely yes. I'm thinking trigger switch because that's all I've used. After all this info I think I'll eventually get a metabo, but something cheaper in the meantime.




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I use these grinders regularly:

Bosch 4-1/2 in. Slim Line, 7.5A (about $60)
Bosch 7-in Large Angle Grinder, 15A (about $170)
Porter Cable 4-1/2 in. Angle Grinder, 7A (about $40)


I think each is good and worth its price.

When I'm doing metalwork I keep two of the PC grinders set up, one with a grinding wheel and one with a cut-off wheel. I use these the most since they are lightweight yet powerful enough for regular touch-up work and small cut off tasks that I have when I'm welding.

I usually keep the small Bosch grinder loaded with a stringer bead wire wheel to knock off the slag from welds when I'm stick welding. (When I'm too lazy to use the hatchet.)

I use the larger Bosch grinder for most jobs that require a lot of continuous grinding, such as beveling plate or other grinding that really needs to take off a lot of metal fast. You can really bear down on this one without slowing it down. However, it weighs in at over eleven pounds and holding it up is really hard on the arms and shoulders after awhile.

I've used (and worn out) about three of the $10 HF grinders in the last year. I won't buy any more of these. I'll leave it at that.

I think I'm at the intermediate stage of metalworking, but I'm leaning more toward buying the more durable grinders that last.
 

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Wow, didnt expect this much input. Thanks guys. As far as the cutoff wheel, I'm not sure. It would be handy, so most likely yes. I'm thinking trigger switch because that's all I've used. After all this info I think I'll eventually get a metabo, but something cheaper in the meantime.




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You sure? I think by trigger he meant the "Rat Tail". Not super common on smaller grinders especially cheap ones. These grinders are very long and instead of resting on the body your hand grabs a tail and index finger pulls the trigger. Some have locks others do not. I'd want one with a lock but that's me. The trigger ones are not that fun to hold all day. Triggers with locks are usually easy to quick disengage. Even dropping g the grinder will be enough of a jolt to release some of them. The one on our 9" Metabo is slick, pull the trigger and push your finger forward to engage the latch, bump the trigger again to release. Rat tail twists to accommodate grinding position as well.

Paddle switches as the ones under the body that you hold with your entire hand usually. Some have a safety, I really wouldn't want one without a safety. These are more comfortable to hold all day and I've never seen one with a lock. Due to this they are often called Deadman switches too.

The thumb switch he was referring to is just an on off switch. Some grinders have it where your thumb would be, others have them on top. I like these switches especially for extended use. One issue with these is having the switch on before plugging in the cord. This is why many of the Metabo models have restart protection. They will not start if you have the switch on and then add power. The cordless ones also have this feature. Many also offer thermal protection as well.


If you "eventually" want a Metabo but cant afford one or justify one now , I would go the cheapest route. Maybe even go to a pawn shop and get a good used Milwaukee or Makita. Those will serve you better than a new HF unit. Scan Craigslist too maybe. Get something cheap while you save up for the Metabo and/or look/wait for a good deal on a used one of that's what you want.

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Metabo make the best but in saying that you can buy a heap of cheap junk ones just shop around a get a cheepo with a good warranty period and keep the receipt just depends on how much you want to spend
 
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Here's what I ended up getting today. It's a porter cable 4 1/2, model pce829. 7 amp if you can't read the huge numbers on the box. Picked it up at tractor supply for 30 bucks, originally listed as 60 dollars. The top is a Jobsmart (tractor supply house brand) air grinder. It was ten bucks and it's "satisfaction guaranteed." My TSC store always warranties out the few Jobsmart things I've had and abused, so hopefully I have a lifetime of pneumatic grinders


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I personally prefer Makita for grinders. I have been running the same 4 1/2" angle grinder for over 10 years. I did replace the drive gears when it was about 5 years old, but only because I dropped it from 10 feet while it was running, and while it continued to run, it did loose a few teeth.

I also like Milwaukee grinders, but overall like the feel of the Makitas over Milwaukee in my hand.

Personally, Milwaukee, Makita and Bosch all make great grinders. What should ultimately be the deciding factor among those brands is what feels most comfortable in your hands, in my own opinion.
 

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Well reading this thread caused me to go buy a 2nd Metabo just now. This way I can have one dedicated for a cut off tool and my variable speed can be more for surface prep. Amazon had a warehouse deal on a W8-115 model for $77.00 with prime shipping. Score!
 

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I have a six year old variable speed Metabo that I have put through hell and it keeps begging for more. One of, if not my best and most used tool.

Metabo (with paddle switch option). Nothing comes close in terms of build quality...All cast aluminum front end and no plastic or nylon drive components. 3yr warranty (i've never needed it)

I spent over a decade in heavy industrial steel work, so I've burned up my share of grinders on the job. I'd vote for either A) the Metabo - expensive, but it'll be with you for ever

Metabo, grinders are their specialty. Make sure you do your homework though because they do have a few chinese models. They are cheap looking and easy to spot.

Another vote for Metabo. I've definitely slipped the clutch on mine cutting concrete.

metabo or milwaukee. yet to kill one.

The Metabo are by far my favorite, comfortable in the hand, powerful, smoother & quieter.

I also had a 4-1/2" Milwaukee that I bought new and returned as it rattled like the gearbox was going to grenade. After that experience I wasn't too excited to try another so I got the Metabo.


Made in China, Not Germany, anymore. 'Nuf said.

bought one for my previous shop, paid $150 from MSC. it still works but really noisy after first couple weeks.

I've had my German made one for 8+ years, only changed 1 set of brushes and still quieter than the brand new one.

on the other hand, $29 Hitachi from Mernard's worked just fine for me.
 

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Made in China, Not Germany, anymore. 'Nuf said.

bought one for my previous shop, paid $150 from MSC. it still works but really noisy after first couple weeks.

I've had my German made one for 8+ years, only changed 1 set of brushes and still quieter than the brand new one.

on the other hand, $29 Hitachi from Mernard's worked just fine for me.

Did you miss my numerous posts stating they offer both German and Chinese models?

It's a clear difference between the two. The model numbers are also different which I explained in my recent post. Wattage is the entire number in the model number versus x10 for the German ones. (W8-115=German, W820-115=Chinese)

You can also tell just by looking at them. I've never held I Chinese one but they look like they would feel plenty cheap. The cordless Metabo is surprisingly German made as well. My picture in a recent post shows the Made In Germany stamps on them. Sorry if pictures are sized bad, on my phone.

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I picked up a Milwaukee 4-1/2" model with variable speed control and love it.
 

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I would imagine that would really be useful for wire wheel. Some cut off work too. I have never used a variable electric.
As Hobart is a little cheaper than the Miller,,, it has many of the same internal parts, hose and wire come from the same spool so are many of these grinders. I havnt used all the cheap ones and we kind of found the BD by accident and after I used it I figured what do I got to lose and put it on the bench where its driven daily. Bosh probably has a base unit they add features to, the Promax oscillating tool I got is the same, I bet its sold under various brands. They make one cheaper at the HF bottom level but its got a smaller motor and feels like junk, 10$ upsell and you get the real tool essentially with the white box and generic lablel.

I wonder how many BD are sold as that and how many DeWalt and how many under other brands. I bet the BD are low enough they don't track inventory in core parts to build cheaper but spend on marketing to sell a 30$ grinder in a Home Depot vs Walmart with a 89$ price tag and a rubber cord.

The real Metabo is ok, in the day of old it was a step ahead for durability. I used more than 1 Milwaukee but you toss them side by side in an Ironworker gang box and with a little dirt on it would soon forget its anything other than "the grinder".

As I read and look above,, the 77.50$ Metabo is a 30$ or less unit. They could buy a generic unit put the name on it mark it up an extra 50 over cost. Customer would never know.
The HF ones are not the same,,, on occasion a guy gets one built right and they go or the real load is less than imagined but after you run this a minute or 2 its got the power to outwork the average operator. That's the point it becomes impressive and one can forget is a 20$ unit,,, or when one starts to have to use more than one hand to count the years of service.
 
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It all depends on how much you plan to use it.....I have a DeWalt I use for grinding and a B&D with a wire cup brush. I have had zero issues with either. I also have a HF I take to the track with me and has held up better than I expected. I've built a car trailer, several demolition derby cars, and all kinds of welding projects. I need something to last a while, but don't need the most expensive thing. I also don't lose many tools and I take care of my stuff. Spending a little more on a DeWalt or Milwaukee is worth it to me. You'll be fine with a B&D for occasional use......
 

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Skil 4.5" is on sale this week at Canadian Tire for $24.99. Even if it survives just my 2 trailer projects I will be happy.

Now, off to research wirewheel, cups, etc for paint stripping
 

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I really like my 4.5 DeWalt even though the barrel is a little big for my hands and I wish it had a paddle switch rather than the push-fwd & rock-on switch. If buying another grinder I would look at the same DeWalt, or Bosch or Milwaukee.
 

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Did you miss my numerous posts stating they offer both German and Chinese models?

It's a clear difference between the two. The model numbers are also different which I explained in my recent post. Wattage is the entire number in the model number versus x10 for the German ones. (W8-115=German, W820-115=Chinese)

You can also tell just by looking at them. I've never held I Chinese one but they look like they would feel plenty cheap. The cordless Metabo is surprisingly German made as well. My picture in a recent post shows the Made In Germany stamps on them. Sorry if pictures are sized bad, on my phone.

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Gee, the German model is certainly much bigger!
 
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Skil 4.5" is on sale this week at Canadian Tire for $24.99. Even if it survives just my 2 trailer projects I will be happy.

Now, off to research wirewheel, cups, etc for paint stripping

I just picked up a second one so I don't have to switch wheels as much. After cutting/grinding/cleaning 3/16" plate with the first one everyday for 2 weeks I decided to buy a second because it works very well and it's nice and compact. They are made by Bosch so I don't expect them to **** out anytime soon.
 

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I love my makita 4" ga4030 and 5" ga5020c for home use. I would like to get a 7" with a veriable speed trigger, probably a Milwaukee.

I have a 4" Makita. Dunno if it's the same model or not. Not like there's a huge demand for 4" grinders... It's fine, did the job acceptably. But I'm after my next tool fix... Gonna get a Metabo, Fein, or Bosch 5". What the heck, a local shop was closing up and I got a screaming deal on wheels. Yhat's a good enough excuse for a new tool, right? Spend $200 because you saved 50 cents each on a dozen wheels? I'm just afraid I'm going to end up with a collection of grinders like Monte's...
 

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Where do you find discs for the 5"? Or do you use 4.5" discs on it?

Any good welding shop should have plenty. I buy a lot of Metabo wheels but there's plenty of others out there.

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Got my backup Metabo today. Put it to good use right away cutting a bunch of 1/4 diamond plate steel.

Accept no substitute!
 

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Got another Metabo grinder for the shop. WA 11-125 Quick. 5" with autobalancer but still the lock on switch. A lot of them in the US have the paddle switch which I do not like at all. Would've gotten the W14-125 Plus but figured I'd see what the autobalancer was all about, didn't need the variable speed really just wanted the power.




Black ring is the balancer. I put brand new Metabo 4.5" grinding wheels in both the W8 and the WA11 and the vibration difference was noticeably better with the balancer. They are smooth without one to begin with. I'm sure worn wheels or different brands will make it even more noticeable. The power difference was nice. W8 does great compared to other 4.5 grinders, but you can still run out of power with 4.5 wheels, the W11 gives you the right amout but I wouldn't complain if I had a W14 either.



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For a low cost very nice and very powerful and smooth 4.5" angle grinder, I recommend the Black and Decker rattail one. It is like the one below, but this is the 6.5 amp version:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002ZU75G/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I used this on my epoxy floor project for cement grinding and it is a champ. Much better than the cheap HF grinders. Around $35 or so on sale. 8.5 amps. Up to that amperage, this is a best buy. If you need more amps, then there are better choices for more money. - Paul
 

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For a low cost very nice and very powerful and smooth 4.5" angle grinder, I recommend the Black and Decker rattail one. It is like the one below, but this is the 6.5 amp version:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002ZU75G/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Black and Decker only lists two ginders on their website. The website claims the G950 is 8.5 amps, but Amazon says it's only 6.5 amps. I wonder which is right?

http://blackanddecker.com/allproducts/power-tools-grinders

There's also a Porter Cable version of this grinder available at Lowe's. It claims to be 7.5 amps.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_36866-79992-PC750AG_0__?productId=1208961
 

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DEWALT DWE4011... 4.5 inch grinder only $60 and just enough amps (7.0). The side switch is so comfy. I finally replaced my 10 year old 6 amp dewalt mini 4.5 with this one. One hand operation without sore wrists, it is much lighter!

Made in china :/
 

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btw. Metabo :)
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I picked up the Dewalt DWE-4011 about a month ago, and I really like it. I don't use a grinder all the time, but it does see some use. I got it for $40 on the trade-in program. Like Rogue, I really like the switch and the feel of the grinder. The easy to adjust guard works great too. :thumbup: We need a "grinder" smilie! LOL!
 

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A battery one is on my wish list.


Me too. I have wanted the cordless Metabo for some time now just haven't pulled the trigger. We have a few at work and the Metabo cordless is leaps and bounds above the rest I've used.
 

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Metabo.

I have a rigid that I bought in 2006 that was Made in Germany. Supposedly by Metabo - that was the discussion at the time on all of the forums. Looks like a Metabo from then, just orange.

Try to get one to turn on and compare how smooth they run. Vibration will eventually wear you and the tool out.
 

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Black and Decker only lists two ginders on their website. The website claims the G950 is 8.5 amps, but Amazon says it's only 6.5 amps. I wonder which is right?

http://blackanddecker.com/allproducts/power-tools-grinders

There's also a Porter Cable version of this grinder available at Lowe's. It claims to be 7.5 amps.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_36866-79992-PC750AG_0__?productId=1208961

Yes, the one I have that I'm recommending is the 8.5 amp version. It looks the same as the one on Amazon. I don't know if B&D changed it to be only 6.5 amps now for a cost reduction and brought out a "better" one for the Porter Cable line inastead. If so that is a bad move. Or it could just be a typo. The 8.5 amp one is a champ. - Paul
 
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