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After garage organization was tackled via repurposed Craigslist office storage cabinets the next thing on the list is a decent compressor. My needs are fairly basic, light auto work (mostly on my 85 Porsche 928) including some paint and associated sanding/wire wheel stuff. I have been using an old 3/4 HP Speedaire unit inherited from my father in law but it's pretty anemic for anything beyond a short impact or ratchet burst and while prepping the office cabinets for paint really found myself wishing for at least a few minutes worth of air for sanding and the like. I just had a 220v/40 amp breaker and outlet wired into the garage and have about $500 left in the budget for this purchase. I could just go buy a 3HP chinese pump unit from one of the big box stores and probably be decently happy, but if I could get a quality built unit at the same price or cheaper it would certainly go together with the repurposing theme of the rest of the garage. The garage is 21x21 with a 9x6 alcove on one end, I only park one car in the garage so while space is at a premium I can make a 60 gallon tank work and possibly even an 80 gallon would work as well.

Anyway, after a few weeks of research and scouring of the net, I have a few candidates and wondering what folks think of each of these units.

Candidate #1 Speedaire 53z98A 60 Gallon 2 Stage 5HP 1700 RPM Single Phase Dayton Motor - Asking $500 but can be had for $300

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I believe this unit is using a CH 2 Stage pump that makes 17 SCFM at 175PSI and the top end rebuild kits are available for $180 or so. Unit belonged to sellers dad who had a hobby shop and supposedly used it for sandblasting. This unit can't be tested prior to purchase and is quite a ways away from me but the idea of purchasing it cheaply and if it works ok to use the rest of my budget for piping and the like is appealing. I can make the horizontal tank work but it's not ideal.

Candidate #2 Devilbiss Charge Air Pro 2 Stage - $500 but can be had closer to $400

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From research it looks like this is another CH pump with ratings and parts availability similar to the Speedaire unit above. It was purchased second hand by a guy who didn't realize that he couldn't plug it into his 110 outlet and that he needed to pull 80 feet of 220v wire to make it work. He claims that previous owner used it very sparingly but I won't be able to test prior to purchasing, this one is about half as far away as the Speedaire unit. Vertical tank is appealing so that's a plus, but has the feel of big box unit (although a step up in quality from the 499 specials obviously.)

Candidate #3 Curtis Air 2 Stage with 30 Gallon Vertical Tank and Single Phase Motor. Asking $550 but can be had for $500 I think.

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This is an interesting one because I don't have a big garage and the combination of a rock solid pump and a small footprint is appealing. Curtis pump is obviously a huge plus though with the smaller tank maybe it will be running more often then I would like when I'm doing heavy use tasks. It's not found in any of the Curtis catalogs and was evidently a special order with that tank size. It shares shop duties with an 80 gallon Curtis unit and owner claims not much use at all.

I know that if I raise my budget by a few hundred bucks then some interesting Champion and Quincy units might be in play, but honestly I don't think I can sell the Finance Chair on that at the moment. Any feedback on these choices?
 
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Oh and this one just got posted a few hours ago. I have no details other than it appears to be and 80 Gallon IR T30 running a 5hp Single Phase motor. Asking price is $400 obo. Intriguing. Are these older T30's obnoxiously loud for home use?

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I've made contact with the T30 owner and will be seeing it later today. If it checks out ok I'll probably pull the trigger on it, I think I can get it for $300 or so and will get it cleaned up and repainted before putting it into service. I don't think I can go too wrong at that price, any T30 owners disagree?
 

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Rember, you can always add another tank in series to up your capacity. That tank can be mounted remotely in the system.

I think you really should be focusing on the type of work and CFM, as well as noise depending on where you put the unit. If you can put it outside, don't worry so much about noise. Will you be using a blast cabinet? If so you want 20cfm min imo. Can you do with less? Of course, but you'll regret it as you deal with moisture issues and wait times.
 
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I don't need constant duty sandblasting CFM, but believe I will occasionally need low teens CFM @90psi for 15-30 minutes at a time. It is going into a smallish residential garage so noise is a factor, I'm hoping for a unit that is at least no louder than a big box unit running at 3400 rpm but (hopefully) a bit quieter. Not sure if that's realistic but from my research it seems like it should be possible.

And yes I know that even a single stage big box unit is probably sufficient, but what's the fun in that?
 

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What model T30? An 80 gallon/5 HP is probably a slower spinning compressor....which a good. If an older model, they are bulletproof and can be rebuilt easy enough.

The slower speed compressors tend to be quieter (built-in bonus)
 

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I have a 242-5N that was built in 1987. It has a 5hp Marathon motor that turns at 1750 rpm. It's quiet, and I love it.

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Here is my 1961 T-30, Model 253.....just before I bought it an put a new single phase motor on it. I like it much better than the 60 gallon Husky it replaced
 

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What model T30? An 80 gallon/5 HP is probably a slower spinning compressor....which a good. If an older model, they are bulletproof and can be rebuilt easy enough.

The slower speed compressors tend to be quieter (built-in bonus)

It's a Model 242, lot's of rebuild info on the net and looks easy enough. Is the box next to the motor a magnetic starter?
 
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I'm in Northern California and yes these are all 1PH. How loud is the Speedaire unit? It shows up in searches for replacement parts as a CH pump, is that correct?
 

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RPM's are of half the modern ones which go BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG!

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Oh, come on now! I think we can consider the 1980s as modern day.

I wish the big box stores had not raced so far and fast for the bottom. Consider the" no freaking way is this a real five horsepower motor" two stage models. If they left everything as is and swapped in 1750 rpm motor, they would have a much nicer, longer lived, and quieter unit that performed as claimed.
 
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RPM's are of half the modern ones which go BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG!

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I will say that I saw a Speedaire unit with a monster American Kellog pump that was VERY loud and only running at 800 rpm. Something did seem off about the way it was running, like the flywheel was unbalanced and causing a ton of vibration that really resonated but I had no frame of reference for how it should sound.
 

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I certainly wish there was internet when I got a couple pieces. A crafty guy can certainly buy or fix something for real great deals especially today. The gems are the pumps where it cost 1700 for a pump at a dealer to only few hundreds good new shape used. You can certainly build better than you can buy.
Having said that didn't someone do a shootout for unit value and hot deals new from the box store? Someone makes a pretty reputable box store 2 stage 60 tank I think new about 800$ plug and play. Baffle the pump some for noise.
You are so close there is no need for piping hook a ball valve to a hose to a regulator and a hose or hose reel. Maybe a hanging whip if it was needed. Some places parts and deals are easier, Jack Olsen can get away with a small single and most of the work I could do and the nature of the work in a 21 ft garage is elementary. If I was willing to upgrade to 2 stage it classier and well,,,,, it is just more better. Made for running mechanics tools from reels and longer hoses with constant pressure. A single stage will only run an air tool well while it is fully pumped or as good is almost full with pump running. A thrifty operator with shorter hoses can stretch some out of this unit and be sufficient for most tasks. 2 stage operates the tool thru regulation down so its constant so to speak down till it turns on. ,,,, run the tool some anywhere along its range at a certain demand duty cycle. Can fill a tire without the pump even coming on.
 

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One of my Buds is an auto mechanic. I kind of talked him in to taking jobs on his own vs holding jobs and it kind of worked out. He started a little work and said, ****, I need an air comp and a ratchet and a 1/2 air gun. He looked a little and the guy down the road sold him a used Cman 2 stage, decent box store stuff looked like freakin new for 400$ and see it run.
He used it every day with a hose from a regulator for 30 yrs with it sitting in the corner.
 
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I went to see the T30 today and got there as it was being loaded up, missed it by an hour.
 
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OK, I went to look a the Curtis unit with the small tank and I think it would work perfectly based on its footprint, however it is detuned via a 3HP motor so SCFM is probably in the 10-11 range at 125 psi, certainly enough for most tasks. We actually tested it with both an angle grinder and D/A sander (both generic HFish brands) and it kept pressure at 90 psi while pumping but didn't build pressure. The setup does include a magnetic starter. As I mentioned, price on this one is $500.

While noodling on whether to pull the trigger this one came up on CL this morning. It's an 80 gallon horizontal with a D90 pump that is probably too large for my garage. But it's $350 (might even be able to get if for less than $300) and it turns out belongs to a former classmate and was used in his BMW Indy Shop since 2000 or so which they've just replaced with a tankless rotary unit. It had an auto drain installed and water out the tank is completely clear. It's definitely been used but regularly maintained. Trying to figure out how to make this work but I think the footprint is just too large to make sense. Ugh.

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Here's a pic, forum acting stupid with images lately as there was on the prior post originally.

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PICTURES OF THE 928! My favorite Porsche and the most under rated. Would also love to see details of the work you've done and the specs on it when you got it. Do you track it at Porsche clubs?
Tank size on a compressor is equivalent to the amount of doors on a car. What you really need to focus on is cfm then quality. I dont think it's possible to have too big a pump. You will eventually outfit your shop to suit your air compressor. Remember hp=watts. The size of your motor and the voltage determines how many amps your pump can pull and how many cfm said hp can produce.
I have a great pump that Im rebuilding and have come to realize that a 5hp single phase motor is limited on my pump to almost half the rpms I need to get the most out of my pump. To get quite a bit more I'd need a 7.5hp motor to turn it up a couple hundred rpms more, but once you do that you are contacting your power company and asking to hook it up as it might cause your neighbors brown outs when it comes on.
There are a lot of tips on the net about making your pump more quiet.
 
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It's an 85 928s, first year of the 32 valve engine with the old body style, which is the best combo IMO. I purchased it in 2006 with 55k miles for the princely sum of $6k and it now has 135k. I haven't really tracked it, and it's designed as more of a GT cruiser than a track beast anyway. You can drive all day in this car at 100+ MPG and get out completely refreshed which you can't say about similar vintage 911's for sure.

During my ownership period I've pretty much addressed every major system:

Torque Tube and Transaxle bearings (requires the rear crossmemeber to be dropped, no fun on your back on jack stands)

Engine Out Top End Refresh - Burned a valve (see pic below) and had to pull the engine and did all of the WYAIT fixes - Injectors, Ignition wiring, fuel lines, MAF, powder coating intake, re-plate all hardware, etc

New shocks and suspension components

AC switched over from R12 to R134 - This was fun as to renew some of the AC lines I needed to use on OxyAce Torch to braise on a new AN fitting to a the suction line that runs along the firewall. Happy to have completed that task without burning the car up!

Upgraded to 18" Wheels from a 911 C3

Lots of other little things like HVAC blowers, Vacuum lines, etc


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That's more Chevy than 928 at this point, some of the conversions are pretty cool but I would say you are better off finding a properly sorted example with the original powerplant. Good news is that there are lots of very clean Texas cars and tons of local support which isn't the case in every part of the country.

Also if it's a pre-87 car and it has a wing, run away fast. That's a very bad sign.
 
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Oh and one other tip, if you see ANY sign of body corrosion walk away. The 928 has aluminum body panels and corrosion only occurs if they are exposed to extreme elements for long periods of time. This is not like the early 911 market where you take what you can get, too many really nice examples still going for relatively cheap money out there to be found.
 
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On another note I've agreed to pick up the Curtis unit tomorrow morning, paying $250 for it. Now just gotta figure out how to make an 80 gallon monster work in my garage lol.
 
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Oh man this is turning into quite a saga. I called the shop to confirm my pickup of the Curtis and was told that their SnapOn driver offered $500 yesterday on behalf of another customer and picked it up an hour later. "Sorry"

So now I'm back to the small Curtis and the Speedaire. My head is telling me the small Curtis is right for our two car garage but my heart wants the big bruiser and it's $200 cheaper. Decisions.
 

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All of your candidates are priced really low compared to what can be had in the Seattle area. I'd go for the Speedaire unit myself as you won't ever regret having too big of a compressor.
 
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Speedaire unit seems to be gone now too (seller has gone silent.)

Anyone know this unit from around 1999 or so? From what I can tell Superior Air was Quincy's consumer line. Can't find any information about the pump used, it's showing a model number of MQTSV and is a single stage 5HP unit. Seller is a ways away and sent a video of the unit running along with a bunch of pics. Any idea what this would be worth?


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Speedaire unit seems to be gone now too (seller has gone silent.)

Anyone know this unit from around 1999 or so? From what I can tell Superior Air was Quincy's consumer line. Can't find any information about the pump used, it's showing a model number of MQTSV and is a single stage 5HP unit. Seller is a ways away and sent a video of the unit running along with a bunch of pics. Any idea what this would be worth?


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It's a smaller unit and a screamer at 1030RPM, equivalent to the same performance as the standard 3.7HP 60-gallon single-stage box store compressor, but has a cast-iron pump which probably has a higher build quality than similar consumer-grade units. Probably 11cfm or so at 90psi.

You probably know this already, but it's not a true 5HP unit - do some reading on the interwebs about the truth-stretching that compressor manufacturers did for years (listing peak motor HP instead of actual running HP) until there was a big class-action lawsuit and they all had to dial back the advertised numbers.

It's 20 years old already, who knows how many hours on it - I'd probably go up to $400 on it if it's in good shape (which is not a good deal relative to the other candidates that you shared earlier). Start at $200 and go up from there.
 
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Yeah I know all that and I have been really set on a low RPM thumper but seller has asked for $500 including a working Speedaire 20CFM refrig/dryer. Seems like a good deal at that price but I should probably just stay patient and wait for the right unit to come along and pull the trigger when it does.
 

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Yeah I know all that and I have been really set on a low RPM thumper but seller has asked for $500 including a working Speedaire 20CFM refrig/dryer. Seems like a good deal at that price but I should probably just stay patient and wait for the right unit to come along and pull the trigger when it does.

Wow - a 20CFM refrigerated dryer? That is a huge unit and worth the price by itself. Most dryers that I've seen have about a third to half that flow capacity.

Tempting . . . all depends upon what your air needs are. For $500 I don't think you could go wrong on the package deal. You can use it while you find something else, and then sell the compressor alone for $300-400 later and keep the dryer and still use it with your bigger compressor.
 
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OK what about a pressure lubed 5hp Quincy for $650? It's also a ways away so owner is sending a video of it running along with pump model number. Anyone recognize the pump?

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OK what about a pressure lubed 5hp Quincy for $650? It's also a ways away so owner is sending a video of it running along with pump model number. Anyone recognize the pump?

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It's either a 310 or a 325 pump - the tag on the side of the pump will tell for sure. Either way, a great deal at that price - I'm assuming that it has a single-phase motor?
 
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Yes single phase. Assume this motor needs a mag starter, correct? It's 3 hours away though, so dragging a trailer that far I'm pretty committed lol. It's been on CL for quite a while but not listed as a Quincy.

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Yes, it would need a Nema size 1 starter (or a Chinesium IEC-style starter, if you feel lucky - they are much less costly and have an adjustable overload setting).

Have you seen the video of the unit running yet? If so, does it show startup from zero pressure? That is what you want to see/hear. If you have excessive rod or wrist pin clearance, it will make a knocking sound until it builds up a bit of pressure to work against, and during normal operation (between the turn-on and turn-off pressures), you won't ever hear this knocking at all until the bearings get really bad.

If it's quiet (no knocking sounds) all the way from zero up to 45+psi and the crankcase oil looks like oil and not a mocha, I'd pull the trigger on that deal (of course, who knows on what the tank looks like inside) just for the value in the motor and pump alone. You can go on youtube and see what a 325 Quincy sounds like, for a reference.

Downside is that the horizontal tank takes up extra space - I have my one horizontal unit outside the garage along the side of the house with a small awning over the top to keep the rain off it.

This could be your toe-tag compressor (the one you have when you shuffle off your mortal coil)! My friends get a kick out of that saying ;)

Oh, and that thing is fracking HEAVY - probably around 800 lbs, so bring the appropriate rigging, extra come-a-longs, straps, etc.
 
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No I haven't gotten the video yet, I have seen various Quincy rebuild videos with before and after of rod knock so should know what to listen for. Horizontal tank not ideal, but they are the ones that seem to come up more often with the Industrial pumps so I think I'm prepared for that. I can always start looking for a vertical tank with a trashed pump or motor that I can swap this stuff on to at some point.

This ad is not marked as a Quincy anywhere and it's kind of in the middle of nowhere which I gather is why it's still available (assuming it actually runs and isn't obviously need a rebuild.)

This whole exercise is a textbook example of my OCD kicking in, I really don't need a beast like this, but now I actually WANT one.
 

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I found my Quincy in the same way - the business owner selling it called it a 'compressor' and it was listed in the 'business' section of CL so I don't think his ad got a lot of eyeballs on it.

I'm with you on the compressor OCD (COCD?) - after you hear one of these units run, it calls to you, and your desire to own a 'screamer' (as I call them; 800+ pump RPM) drops off dramatically. My dream compressor is a 340 or 370 spinning at minimum RPM - you feel it more than hear it.
 
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