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87GN

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My driveway is in need of replacing. Here is the proposal. Price seems reasonable for a 30 x 90 driveway based on the 4 quotes I got. Two were less, but they wanted to plane the old driveway and lay on a layer on top. It's pretty cracked, uneven, and has lots of low spots. It was done in the early 70's. Anyways, here is their proposal. Does the materials and thicknesses look right? Anything I should ask for or confirm is going to be done?
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mike93lx

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2.50 psf is inline with pricing I was given a few years ago to replace my driveway.

What did they say about fixing the low spots? It will need some work besides the 2.5" base
 
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87GN

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Thanks for the reply. I'll need to confirm about the low spots. Maybe I'm not using the correct term. Low spots as in depressions in the tarmac causing puddles. i.e. the driveway is not smooth. I got the original estimate last September so my recollection is not 100%. I now decided to pull the trigger on this and shooting for a July/August date.
 

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Thanks for the reply. I'll need to confirm about the low spots. Maybe I'm not using the correct term. Low spots as in depressions in the tarmac causing puddles. i.e. the driveway is not smooth. I got the original estimate last September so my recollection is not 100%. I now decided to pull the trigger on this and shooting for a July/August date.

Do they know you want to delay the work that much? Might impact the price, negatively or positively.
 
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87GN

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Do they know you want to delay the work that much? Might impact the price, negatively or positively.
Contract states if it is signed, deposit given, and in their hands by March 25th, price would be honored. They told me they are booking into july as their earliest.
 

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I was quoted ~$2.00 per square foot to take my long established gravel driveway (good solid base) to asphalt about 2 years ago.
 

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Only my opinion, and only based on the verbage of the contract image you provided. . so take it as you will.

I did not see anything in the contract with regards to grading and re-compacting the subbase material immediately below the existing asphalt. I would have the contractor detail something in the contract with regards to grading and re-compacting. You want to do this prior to paving.
A firm subbase is a major factor in pavement longevity. Your existing pavement, as you said, is cracked and there are low spot puddles. These two things could be letting water into the subbase, resulting in the subbase holding water. .which contributes to soft areas, thus accelerating your new pavements deterioration.

Please have the contractor clarify if the pavement thicknesses he provided are after compaction of the mix, or before. You want those thicknesses AFTER compaction.

Also, I would confirm that the contractor utilizes the vibratory function of the compaction equipment. Saying you will. . And doing it can be two different things. On most rollers. . It's a simple switch that turns the vibes on and off.. . And my experience tells me that most operators don't enjoy rolling with the vibes on. If you aren't watching, they aren't vibrating.
Achieving proper compaction is the single most important factor when it comes to pavement durability and longevity.

Another side note, please do not buy into the contractors claim that they are using "Airport" grade mix. My opinion is that this claim is only a gimmick. It is extremely highly unlikely that you will be getting actual FAA P401 asphalt mix. FAA airport mixes have substantially different aggregate gradations, and liquid asphalt grade when compared to standard commercial, and DOT mixes. These factors increase the per ton cost. And there's no way an asphalt producer is going to run 5 or 6 loads of FAA P401 "airport mix" for a driveway guy. The cost benefit just isn't there for the producer.
More than likely you will be getting the commercial binder and top mix designs that are hopefully are coming from a DOT approved plant, using DOT approved materials. The only way he's getting airport mix. . Is if it's already been rejected from an FAA job that happens to be going on the same day your driveway is getting done.
 

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Well an asphalt 18 ft wide by 16ft one one side and 24 ft on the other side driveway (360 sq ft), with 32 ft of concrete sidewalk and a 23 ft concrete apron cost me $6100 5 years ago in NJ. Only was able to get one proposal as the other 5 contractors couldn't be bothered to even get back to me. So I would lunge at your proposal. And I am no where even close to happy with the results. But the driveway I had before was in such bad shape that anything new was a blessing to me.

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wow . i got a quote 2 years ago for 8k sqft of all new and it was around 11k bucks after i dug out all the old stuff and they prep and lay new .

i know price has gone up a but these days tho .
 
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87GN

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Thanks again for all the responses. I emailed them about some questions jwillie mentioned.
 

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IMHO, Go with concrete and have it done for a long time. The concrete sidewalk on my block is more than 100 years old.
 

sweetk30

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If concrete is used in winter areas the salt and de-ice liquid will eat it . And if you use metal edges for snowplow or blower it will transfer to the concrete and then rust and leave rust streaks on it . You need poly / plastic edge to avoid this problem .

This info is for OCD people .
 

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Summer of 2020 I paid about $5 sq ft for a parking pad (40x10)that was 3-1/2" asphalt on top of 8" base, and all the excavation/material removal and tie into my pre existing driveway.

That pre existing driveway was done in 2018 (same contractor) with 10" of base, all excavation, removal of existing drive, new culvert, slight change to layout, and two 2-1/2" lifts of asphalt. For that I paid about $11K which was about $4/sq ft.

Proper base and prep are key for asphalt. Don't skimp there. I have a 6000 gallon pump truck back on my driveway every few months and have zero issues.

I am extremely happy with the work done. Anyone in south east Wisconsin I would be willing to make a connection.
 

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Well. It sounds like a good deal to me. While a previous poster is right that sub base is everything, you will be getting a substantial base with the 2.5 inch bottom lift. Around here its unheard of. No one would propose a multi lift 4.5 thick blacktop driveway for residential use. Do garbage trucks have to cross it? Shear thickness will trump any fancy mix design. If they tear out and haul away your old driveway, level up with a bottom lift, then bring real surface mix for a top lift and you end up 4.5 inches thick I'm pretty sure you'll be a happy camper.
 
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