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This is not for everyone, some people love Glocks as they come from the factory, I do not. They don't fit my hand worth a damn. I also forgot to take some pics of certain steps but I'll explain them as best as I can.

I recommend you try these modifications on a training gun first, you can shape them just like the real thing and use it as a test piece. We are going to be removing significant amounts of polymer from the frame and also using heat, go too fast and loose concentration can easily result in you ruining a $400+ firearm. Obviously I take no responsibility for what you do to your own pistol.

I started with a used 3rd generation Glock. One of the most annoying features are the finger grooves, they do not line up with my fingers so my grip does not feel right. Could I shoot the gun accurately in a self defense situation? I believe I could but why not be comfortable when I shooting at the range also.

The second thing I do not like about the Glock is the hump on the back and the angle of the grip. The "standard" Glock grip reduction involves filling the hollow void behind the mag well with Marintex, fiberglass resin, epoxy and other things. Then a belt sander is used to remove the hump and angle of the grip, if done correctly you'll have a grip more like a 1911.

I really was not impressed with any of the pics I've found on how to add some texture to the backstrap after the reduction. The ones I have found all used whatever material they used to fill the magwell. That material is spread on the backstrap then a tongue depressor or whatever is used to spike up the area by placing the depressor flat on the wet material and then lifting straight up. Personally I think all the ones I have seen looked like ****.

What I did was used a heat gun and heated up the whole backstrap until it become pliable, then I pressed the backstrap against a flat piece of steel. This does two things, it removed the annoying hump and lessens the angle of the grip. Make SURE you have an empty mag in the frame while doing this, this will keep the mag well from becoming distorted.

I also removed the finger grooves, trigger hook and backstrap checkering. I used a 1" belt sander, be very careful as it removes material very quickly. I suggest using sandpaper and doing it by hand. I stopped using the belt sander way ahead of where I wanted to be and finished with sandpaper by hand. I was not too worried about removing all of the backstrap checkering because it will be stippled which will hide a lot.

The pic below is of a Glock magwell without the backstrap flattened.

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Heres a pic after the backstrap has been flattened

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The rest of the pics show removal of the trigger hook, finger grooves and backstrap checkering. I'll continues this more tomorrow. I have the frame partially stippled and the slide stripped and blasted.

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I am no fan of the glock, but this is an interesting project. Have you ever checkered a plastic frame?

I love that old Reed vise. I have a model 205 that I use more than my Wilton vises.
 
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I am no fan of the glock, but this is an interesting project. Have you ever checkered a plastic frame?

I love that old Reed vise. I have a model 205 that I use more than my Wilton vises.

I'm more of a 1911 guy myself. Nope, never checkered a plastic frame, this one is getting stippled, I guess I'm about 20% done. I am really a fan of stippling on the plastic and steel guns. Fine checkering is very classy looking but does not compare to stippling in terms of gripiness (lol not a word).
 

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I have to say, I admire your courage. I shot the Glock while "researching" a planned handgun purchase, so I know what you mean about the grip angle and finger groves. But I seriously doubt if I could muster up the fortitude to reshape the grip with heat like you did. I applaud your skills and look forward to seeing the finished product!
 
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Hoot, thanks for the compliments but it is really not very difficult, as long as you go slow it would be pretty hard to do any permanent damage.

Got a little more done. The first pic is the blasted slide. The second pic shows the slide I electroplated with cobalt, you can also see I have a long way to go before I finish the stippling.


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She's all done. I also added a Ghost 3.5 Rocket kit, very nice trigger and that awful overtravel is for the most part gone.

I really need to learn how to take better pics, you really can't see the slide color well, it's like washed out.

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Very nice! I've done some similar work to a few of my Glocks. The grip is pretty tacky using this method and looks and feels allot like natural lava rock when its done. The process for me was actually kind of relaxing, tedious, but relaxing.
 
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Very nice! I've done some similar work to a few of my Glocks. The grip is pretty tacky using this method and looks and feels allot like natural lava rock when its done. The process for me was actually kind of relaxing, tedious, but relaxing.

Yup tedious but strangely relaxing, I'm learning to checker wood, that is NOT relaxing to me.

I left NJ eight years ago, have not step foot back in that state. Where are you a LEO at?
 

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Yup tedious but strangely relaxing, I'm learning to checker wood, that is NOT relaxing to me.

I left NJ eight years ago, have not step foot back in that state. Where are you a LEO at?


I wish I could get out of here, but unfortunately I have too much invested in my career at this point. The day I have enough time to retire, I'm outa here like Vladimir.
I work in Camden County, home of "the deadliest city in the nation," but to be honest it really doesn't matter where you live or work in this state. You either deal with thugs and gangsters that take your money at gun point or you deal with silver tonged, scum bag politicians that take you money at pen point. Regardless of the method, the end result is working your *** off so that someone else can enjoy the fruits of your efforts :mad:
 
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I wish I could get out of here, but unfortunately I have too much invested in my career at this point. The day I have enough time to retire, I'm outa here like Vladimir.
I work in Camden County, home of "the deadliest city in the nation," but to be honest it really doesn't matter where you live or work in this state. You either deal with thugs and gangsters that take your money at gun point or you deal with silver tonged, scum bag politicians that take you money at pen point. Regardless of the method, the end result is working your *** off so that someone else can enjoy the fruits of your efforts :mad:

I hear that, like I said, that's why I got out of that place. I was a bailbondsman for a few years in Passaic County, one of our skips were said to be in Camden. We go down there, check in with the PD, there is two of us. I forgot where we were going but when we told the desk sarge he exact reply was "Good luck, I hope you have more than two of you and you all are wearing vests" :wtf:

Now you know NJ laws with carry permits, about impossible unless you know someone, at least that's how it was in Bergen County. I was unarmed, my partner had his permit. We conducted surveillance on the place, made sure our guy was in there and then called Camden PD, they went in and got him.
 

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Yeah its about impossible for a private citizen to get a permit to carry, but with the amount of numb nuts in this state that's probably a good thing.
Camden is a "special" place to say the least:lol_hitti

I work right outside of Camden, not actually in it thank God. I don't think I could deal with that toilet or its turds. The town I work in is on the small side and remains pretty quiet other than the **** that over flows from the city. I'm on a regional SWAT team though so I still get to play with bad guys and fun toys:beer:
 

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Man, that is really impressive. That never even crossed my mind to "customize" a glock in that way. You should check out www.gearjournal.com
post this on there too.....the folks on that board would really dig this.
 
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Nice work! I've wanted to get a Glock for a camping, BOB, or spare pistol in case my XD ever gets used (pretty much same manual of arms, but Kel-tec has a folding carbine that would be in that bag that takes Glock mags), but I've never been able to get past the grip angle and finger grooves. I don't look at GlockTalk but on the rare occasion, but I'm sure you'd get completely flamed there for messing Gaston's perfect beast.
 

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Congratulations. You have set Glock technology back 25 years by re-inventing the 1st. generation pebble grain frame. Nothing personal, I'm just very heavy into Glocks, how they work and what they are designed to do and I hate it when "gun plumbers" bastardize a perfectly fine firearm.
 
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Congratulations. You have set Glock technology back 25 years by re-inventing the 1st. generation pebble grain frame. Nothing personal, I'm just very heavy into Glocks, how they work and what they are designed to do and I hate it when "gun plumbers" bastardize a perfectly fine firearm.

Nothing personal taken, for me to take it personally I'd have to value your opinion in some way and you know what they say about opinions, right?

It may be a perfectly fine firearm in your eyes and fit your hand correctly, an out of the box Glock feels like total 5hit in my hand and judging by the amount of people who modify Glocks, I am clearly not alone.

Reinventing a first generation? The first, second and third generations of Glock had the annoying hump on the backstrap and the useless trigger hook, I figured a person so "heavy into Glocks" would know that.

Glocks IMHO, are for the most part reliable work horses, great truck guns, great for CCW in the heat and humidity, and a pistol I am not too concerned about beating up. I'd hardly put them in the fine firearm category, they serve my need for a CCW firearm when I don't want to sweat all over a fine 1911 or BHP.

Regarding your link under your sig, Who would spend that type of money on a customized bike when there are so many fine production bikes? Must be a lot of RUB's buying toys.
 
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Glad you don't take it personally (but I think you did), nothing personal intended. Just my observation. You put it out there in a "what do you think fashion," and I responded. Wasn't your opening line,"This might not be for everyone....." Well, I'm one of those.

I'm simply stating that the Glock is a fine firearm just the way it is. If it doesn't fit your hand, buy and carry a gun that does. You wouldn't purposely by a pair of shoes that didn't fit and then alter them until they did -or maybe you would.

In all fairness, I did like the modification to the front of the trigger guard. That doesn't compromise the intrigal strength of the frame. The way Glock and many other manufacturers square it off sometimes leads the unknowing to believe that the index finger of the non-shooting hand is supposed to curl around the trigger guard for a better grip. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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Cool work Lonegunman! Please keep posting your projects. I stay impressed. I do wish you would do a primer on powdercoating. Thanks again.
 

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looks like a worthwhile mod for some (I have to admit a G21 fits my hand just great), what did you do for the stipling/texture?
 

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looks like a worthwhile mod for some (I have to admit a G21 fits my hand just great), what did you do for the stipling/texture?

Most people use a hot soldering iron. I have to say though that stipeling looks like *** IMO. I have a couple Glocks and they also fit my hand perfect. My daily carry is a G26.
 
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If I was worried about how the stippling looked I would not have stippled it, as I said, it's a work gun. I've handled a Glock with wet, ****** and muddy hands, it's not fun(no, I am not some poser high speed low drag operator wannabe, I hog hunt a lot). The stippling greatly increases my grip on the gun. My "safe queens" were all checkered with fine LPI checkering, they look pretty but are not nearly as grippy (is that a word?) as the stippled Glock.
 

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Very nice! I've done some similar work to a few of my Glocks. The grip is pretty tacky using this method and looks and feels allot like natural lava rock when its done. The process for me was actually kind of relaxing, tedious, but relaxing.

The SA TRP Operator has a feel I love: http://www.galleryofguns.com/ProdImageSm/PC9105LP.JPG

but, $1500 for it is a bit out of my league. At on of the last gun shows I was at a special forces op was going on an on about it to someone not thinking it's price tag was justified.

That glock came out nice. I also don't like the feel they have, they all seem to have it. One of the best 'feeling' guns is my brother's Sig P232 with upgraded grips. It just feels like one with your hand. The Sig .40 caliber doesn't have that same feel, but I love the fireball .357 gives firing it through it..
 

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I think thats a great project. Where can I find Marintex and what so you use to do your stippling. I have found very little info on this subject. If you could stear me in the right direction, I would appreciate it.

Thanks
 
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I think thats a great project. Where can I find Marintex and what so you use to do your stippling. I have found very little info on this subject. If you could stear me in the right direction, I would appreciate it.

Thanks

Reread the post, no Marine Tex used. The stippling is done with a hobby wood burning tool which is basically a soldering iron with various tips. Use your Glock mag loaders or buy some if you don't have one, it's the same polymer as the frame and makes a good practice dummy. As I said in the original post, PRACTICE on something other than your Glock before taking a soldering iron to it.
 
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