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youtanut

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I Bought a set of Matco flex head combination wrenches off there web site and when I got the package it said "made in Taiwan to Matco specification" WTF!
I got them at instructor rate so I did not pay the 425 list but still WTF! They are a nice looking set of wrenches but I am highly aggravated with Matco for the outsourcing! Looks like I will be sticking to the Cornwell and Snap On from now on!
 
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In that case don't buy any hex or torx bit drivers as Cornwell's are made by Vim in Taiwan. You will also want to stay away from Cornwell screwdrivers and most pliers too.
 

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In that case don't buy any hex or torx bit drivers as Cornwell's are made by Vim in Taiwan. You will also want to stay away from Cornwell screwdrivers and most pliers too.

Thanks alot!!! I just bought the hex and torx bit driver master set, make me feel so much better about it!!!! :(
 
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Yeah,I plan to send them back, but for the asking price you would think the were made in the USA. I hate the company's like Matco and Cornwell are doing this, as a consumer I will pay the price for the USA goods, Not the big name label made in China or Taiwan. I kinda feel like it is a bait and switch! I would buy Stanley for 1/4 the price WITH a warranty if I wanted China or Taiwan ****.
 

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Taiwan is producing good products these days, I use racing Kart engines made there, good quality and good pricing..
 

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Atleast Craftsman seems to be reflected in the price. I kinda know when I am buying junk from sears. The "premium" brands kinda sneak it in on you. I justify the high prices by believing/hoping they are US made. Once I see Taiwan or China, I get more and more turned off. Matco has been a repeat offender with me lately!!!
 

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Snap on, Matco, Mac and Cornwell tools that say made in Taiwan or made in China just doesn't sit well with me. It was bad enough when Craftsman started pulling that ****.
 

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I just hate the fact that the tool companies insist that customers pay the "Made in U.S.A." premium for something that was manufactured outside the country.
 

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Cornwell usually has lower prices for the imports (compared to SO or Mac anyway), like the torx/hex bits.
 

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If they are made in Taiwan the price should reflect it. The last time I bought something from Matco there was a partial set on the truck that was US made. My Matco guy ordered me a full set and it came in made in Taiwan. The price was the same. I haven't spent a penny with them again and won't. I flat our refuse to pay tool truck prices for Taiwanese/Chinese tools.

VIM makes some pretty decent imported bits. If you buy them from VIM or through one of their distributors the price reflects made in Taiwan. They are a bit higher than some others that are imported but they seems to be well made. Several of my co workers have a bunch of VIM bits that have held up well. To me they are kinda in the same category as gear wrench. Imported but better than most of the imports.
 

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It's time for a reality check here. Let me remind all of you that ALL tool truck prices are insane (at least to me). However, with a tool truck you get truck to you service, the ability to earn money using your new tools while paying them off in weekly payments, and a selction of tool sizes and shapes not found in most stores. You should also get better warranty service but, that's debatable.
I understand that many of you are unhappy paying truck prices for tools not made in the USA. Get over it!!! There are fewer and fewer sources for all US made tools these days. Hell, the Government reduced the requirement for tool kits to contain all US made tools last year to only 51% US made components because, you just can't find some items made here anymore.
It's a **** shoot these days as to where a tool is made. Hell even the industrial supply houses like MSC and Grainger have COO subject to change on their catalog listings. I always try to by US made first but, sometimes it's just not an option.
Taiwan produces some good durable tools like Grey Pneumatic, some Sunnex items, and VIM bits for example. I'm not a fan of PRC made tools but, that's just me. Good luck in your quest for USA tools.:beer:
 

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You mind posting a pic of the label/packaging?

Also, aren't the Snappy ratcheting combos made overseas? Same with the Mac's and Cornwells? Seems to be common with ratcheting wrenches.
 

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I Bought a set of Matco flex head combination wrenches off there web site and when I got the package it said "made in Taiwan to Matco specification" WTF!
I got them at instructor rate so I did not pay the 425 list but still WTF! They are a nice looking set of wrenches but I am highly aggravated with Matco for the outsourcing! Looks like I will be sticking to the Cornwell and Snap On from now on!

You do realize matco doesn't produce a single product except boxes right? All they are is a rebadging and marketing company
 
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Why should Matco bother paying the higher price of a spanner made in the USA when they can get the same quality from a more modern factory in Taiwan? At a lower price.
 

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Allen, torx, pliers, crowfoots, wrenches still USA MADE by Proto here in the end of 2018.

Just don't buy any of Proto's locking pliers or flat panel ratcheting wrenches as those aren't US made. :lol:

With the demise of Armstrong, MATCO lost its main US made wrench supplier. They really don't have another US sourced option available. Kabo makes some excellent quality wrenches, and ratcheting wrenches.:beer:
 
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I think what has a lot of people miffed is that they are paying a premium for an average tool. Regardless of how you get it, truck, store, or online the price should reflect COO and the quality of said tool.
 

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I was surprise when I bought sae stubbie wrenches, non ratching one are imported now. A quick look and their standard length combo wrenches are as well.
 

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I think what has a lot of people miffed is that they are paying a premium for an average tool. Regardless of how you get it, truck, store, or online the price should reflect COO and the quality of said tool.

That’s not how life works.

Coo has little to do with retail price, except, perhaps, set a floor on what the retail is willing to sell a product at.

The market sets the actual retail transaction price.

If a company can produce a product with acceptable quality and performance equal to or better than the competitors, they can, and should, price that product competitively, regardless of where it’s made. The shareholders deserve to be compensated too. That’s why they invest in a company’s stock.

It’s called capitalism.
 

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Very sad to be paying USA prices on tools made overseas.

Or in some cases, more than equivalent products actually made in the U.S.

I saw at Wally-world they had U.S. made hacksaws, hacksaw blades, drywall life blades, and small tool boxes and some other things that were priced the same as, or cheaper than their imported or "u.s. made with global materials" counter parts. Which makes you wonder how much truth there is to U.S. production being too expensive
 

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Why do you assume it's an "average tool?"

Because it's a Matco product. :lol_hitti



Realistically, here's peoples beef. Socket set costs $100 on the truck (yeah right). Made in USA, we will pretend this set cost $25 to produce. Now, company X sources the sockets from Asia. I'm sure they are fine sockets, and work as well as the USA stuff. Difference is, due to fewer regulations and labor costs, the cost of the identical Asian sourced set is now $10. In this example, distribution related fixed costs (Tool truck) are constant, and company X has reduced the cost of the product. Being made in the USA, as well as quality, are often used to justify high prices (along with distribution model).


So the sockets are cheaper; they have lost what was marketed as a "feature" (Made in USA), yet the price is identical. The closest thing to a justification I have every read, was that the cost was already right at the limit of profitability on the USA item, meaning switching to Asian sourced products allowed the company to keep the price the same to the end user. I personally find that correlation weak at best, especially since cheaper USA made options can be found from Wright/SK/etc.



I don't really care about where something is made, as much as the quality. What I do care about, is companies pretending to be all "USA USA USA!!!!", having US flags on their t-shirts and ads, telling me USA is part of the reason for high cost - then flipping their position, and not changing the price. Had company X lowered the price, and stated they found Asia could meet their requirements, thus allowing more consumers to buy the tools with the lower price that afforded, I'd take little issue.
 

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The whole idea behind outsourcing is to increase profit margins. In very rare instances do you see a decrease in price for a like item. Do your homework about the tools you buy, if you feel its a rip-off for whatever reason, vote with your dollars.
 

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Oh, I certainly do. Just explaining what I feel is the reason for the "unrest" when companies do such things. Frankly there isn't much on the trucks that pull me in. I'm a paid in full cash/card customer, so I don't get very good truck coverage like the guys that pay $20 a week forever.

I buy most everything online; I'll use the Snap-On website, or buy used when I need something only they sell. Never found much need for Matco/Mac, and refuse to buy cornwell over a petty warranty claim from my lube-tech days.
 

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I understand that many of you are unhappy paying truck prices for tools not made in the USA.

If you're going to buy Horrible Fright tools, might as well get them from Horrible Fright.

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Get over it!!! There are fewer and fewer sources for all US made tools these days.

``Get over it'' is exactly why there are fewer and fewer US sources. If you want to make it more and more US sources instead of fewer and fewer, buy US tools where you can, and when you must buy overseas stuff, get it from an importer like HF, not from a US source.
 

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Why should Matco bother paying the higher price of a spanner made in the USA when they can get the same quality from a more modern factory in Taiwan? At a lower price.

Because the prices they charge for their tools leaves plenty of room for them to source from USA manufacturers.
 

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Matco pretty much sources most of it's stuff from China and Taiwan. The same goes with Mac. It's their problem if they want to water down the brand and compete with cheaper alternatives. Now it's just a matter of figuring out where they source their stuff from and find a cheaper rebranded version.
 

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Matco pretty much sources most of it's stuff from China and Taiwan. The same goes with Mac. It's their problem if they want to water down the brand and compete with cheaper alternatives. Now it's just a matter of figuring out where they source their stuff from and find a cheaper rebranded version.

Watered down to compete with the store brands found at NAPA, Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart, Ace Hardware, Harbor Freight, and a host of others?

Except for a few pets like Harbor Freight impact sockets; I avoid buying these store branded tools. The thought of paying tool truck prices for similar China and Taiwan stuff sold as Mac or Matco makes My head spin.

When there are primarily Chinese and Taiwan manufactured products such as Sunnex, Tekton, and Gearwrench being manufactured and sold under their OWN names; these are the ones I favor when buying import tools.

There is hardly a company that doesn't re-brand a few other manufacturers products as theirs; but we sure as heck don't have to go along with all of it. I agree: Except for tool boxes, all of the Matco offerings are outsourced and re-branded as Matco.
 
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MATCO seems to be the brand many people here love to hate :lol:

As i read through this thread this morning, i chuckled thinking about the new Ford Fusion delivered at work yesterday. It's a 2019 model with an engine made in Poland, a transmission made in the USA, and it was built in Mexico.

Since it has the blue ford oval on the grille, one would think it was an American made car but, looking at it closer revealed where it was really made :lol:

i also thought about my tool purchases over the last 6 months. aside from a new SK 1/4 drive 90 tooth ratchet that should arrive tomorrow, nothing was US made. The rest of my new stuff hailed from Japan & Taiwan. I'm also looking forward to the new ICON line of tools coming out :shocking::beer:

After all a good tool is a good tool regardless of where it was made.:bounce:
 

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Oh brother.

We can't control where the products are made, so we will boycott an otherwise good company, maybe even putting it out of business - along with their thousands of employees and tool truck businessman, exchanging income and revenue, for unemployment and bankruptcy.

Boy, we ll show em!

Brings a whole new meaning to the term

"cut off your nose, just to spite your face!"


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