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garboui

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So, this week has been quite the free things for me week. One of these things was a workbench thats been sitting in a neighbours backyard for a couple years. Turns out that attached to the bench is this half anvil; half vice, vicvil. and on the other end (not pictured) a 9" length of train rail. They're obviously going to need some cleaning up (maybe my chance to try out some evaporust). But if the vicevil is any good it would make an excellent companion to my No. 3 Record.

Now for the pics.

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Because of the rust and shallow embossing I couldn't quite make out the writing here.
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Grats on a very nice old anvil vise! I would use electrolysis on it so that the rust goes and not any good metal. You may be able to get some more lettering to stand out a bit.
Craig

(Bigcaddy has some powerful eyeballs....helps him find those vises)
 
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garboui

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Am familiar with what electrolysis involves (never done it), but because its been mentioned as an good way to get this unknown gem up to par, does anyone have any good electrolysis recipes both solution and current levels.
 

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I have seen two this spring. one at an auction for $80.00 and another at a yard sale yesterday for $10.
 

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I've done a lot of electrolysis. It's relatively foolproof... even if you don't optimize everything it'll still work, just a little more slowly. About the only thing that can go horribly wrong is if you reverse the polarity.

Here's what works for me:


- Degrease your item thoroughly. It's a good idea to get rid of whatever loose rust is on there. A stiff scrub brush works well.

- Get a large rubbermaid container that'll hold whatever you're de-rusting.
- Get some Arm and Hammer Super Washing Soda.
- Add about 1/2 cup per gallon. Too much is OK since it'll just precipitate out. Too little will cause your reaction to proceed more slowly.

- Find some electrodes. There are lots of choices here.

The best thing to use is carbon graphite rods (available at welding supply places or eBay). They last a really long time and don't cause the solution to sludge up. They also don't collect rust, so if you're doing a large or very rusty part, you can leave them going for days.

Steel plates work well but you need to stop every 4-5 hours and scrape the rust off of them. Rebar works in a pinch but it crusts up fast.

DO NOT USE STAINLESS STEEL. While it's tempting because it lasts a long time and stays clean, it precipitates hexavalent chromium which is a very nasty carcinogen.

Expanded steel mesh is a good choice since you can mold it to the shape and keeping the electrodes close to (but never touching) the item does speed things along.

Submerge your item (I don't like it to sit on the bottom since rust and gunk will accumulate... I have a couple of fire bricks I put in the bottom of the tank)

Now just run some wires and hook the positive lead to your sacrificial electrode(s) and the negative to your piece. If you mix this up, you'll end up with a pile of rust instead of an Anvil Vise.

For power, older battery chargers work great. 6 or 12 volts. Newer ones tend to have circuitry that'll shut them down when they decide that your 'battery' isn't charging. Old PC Power supplies work well too. Good instructions are found here.

Higher voltage power supplies can be used, but I'd avoid anything higher than 24v for safety reasons. You'll also end up wasting energy heating your electrolyte and you might actually boil it if you use too much juice.

For something large and rusty, I usually go 4-5 hours, then pull it out, clean it up with a scrub brush and some water, then dunk it back in for another 3-4 hours before checking it. Electrolysis is somewhat line of sight, so you might want to turn it over a few times.

It can get a little messy, but it's by far the safest and least labor intensive way to remove rust... there's a good reason that it's the method of choice for restoring historical metal artifacts.
 

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That's not a vise. That's a boat anchor.

For a battleship!
 

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I've done a lot of electrolysis. It's relatively foolproof... even if you don't optimize everything it'll still work, just a little more slowly. About the only thing that can go horribly wrong is if you reverse the polarity.

Gee..and you had to go pooping before Outlaws grand entrance...Nice going!!
 
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garboui

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thanks for the advice guys, and reminding me of my suckage. Now in a, when I can get around to shlepping the whole bench in to my yard and restoring the vicevil, Ill be sure to post some after pics.
 

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thanks for the advice guys, and reminding me of my suckage. Now in a, when I can get around to shlepping the whole bench in to my yard and restoring the vicevil, Ill be sure to post some after pics.

Looking forward to seeing them!:thumbup:
 
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garboui

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Yesterday was a very productive day in the garage and one of teh many things that I did was starting the resto on the AnvilVice.

So far its just bare from the electrolysis. This is the result after ~8hours at ~3A. Used borax as electrolyte. Im contemplating putting the base in for a bit longer today since there's still some rust though it is smooth at this point so I may just go straight to paint.

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I have one just like that Dad gave me. It's been in the family since dirt was young.
 

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garboui

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bigcaddy, yeah the anvil surface isnt that bad. the sides are rough though its mostly casting texture. there is some pitting near/around the feet. going to hit the bad parts with the wire cup and the anvil and jays with a flap disc to give a little rejuvenation. hmmm... maybe a mill finish on top.
 
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garboui

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Oh man, that is so cool! Nice job!

Thanks!

TBH its not the exact shade of blue that i wanted (tremclad 'royal blue') but i was intrigued by krylons new primer and paint in one. Seemed to go on nice and set up quick. And like other krylon products, you have to be a real numpty to make a run.

Also one thing I was reminded of was how much wire cup wheels **** to work with. Got a couple wires that made it through pant crotch and met frank.
 

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I've got the same one and I've kept it while selling a vintage Craftsman (here) and several other vintage vices (at the flea).

I chose it because the the large and high anvil is perfect for wire brushing old tools. In fact, I use the anvil much more than the vise itself. It's in my basement workshop but in my garage, I have a Prentiss Bulldog so I do have a good old vise too. Oh yeah, I have a Record 52 1/2 woodworking vise in my basement too.

My 38OA was priced at $15 on a Saturday and half price on a Sunday. Guy offered it to me for $5 on my way out.

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garboui

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I just noticed that your's has holes in the top but mine and Maddog's don't. Just sayin'.

Now that you mention it, from all the pics of these that ive seen, mine is the only one to have holes. My best guess if that some owner at some point in time put them in to hold 'dogs' or just dowels to clamp against.
 

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Now that you mention it, from all the pics of these that ive seen, mine is the only one to have holes. My best guess if that some owner at some point in time put them in to hold 'dogs' or just dowels to clamp against.

The pritchel hole is a small round hole that is present on most modern anvils. Some anvils have more than one. It is used mostly for punching. At times, smiths will fit a second tool to this hole to allow the smith more flexibility when using more than one anvil tool.

And some small homeowner vises came with both the prichel hole and a hot chisel that fit it. (I have several with the hole, I've never managed to find the damn hot chisel with it...)
 
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