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gtsgarage

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I am starting to look at a second career option, and I’m seriously thinking about an ACE Hardware Franchise.

I think it would be interesting and challenging and I certainly would think helping customers with DIY stuff would be interesting.

Any current or past franchisees here?

Any thoughts appreciated.
 
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Family member has a True Value for many years in a very small farming town in central Ca. Was really good but once Walmart came to a larger town 10 miles away it has been hard to make a profit. Sometimes now they have to offer line of credit with no real way to recover funds if they walk. Most people are good. Likely sell or shut down in a year or so.
 

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Buy a Little Caesars franchise, $5 hot and ready always packed when I drive by. Small building, small workforce, less inventory.
 

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Starting any business in this day an age is a big gamble. If you have a good location and think the area will bring a good amount of traffic to your store then go for it! But why not start your own store? At least then you are not paying the franchise fees.
 

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Something like a little Ceasars likely will require multiple units.

I used to work for dunkin. If you don't want freedom in decision making, a big name franchise may work for you. If you really want to be in control, don't do it.
 

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Not an Ace but I work for a regional hardware/lumber yard (we have 40-50 stores) running their tax department. I would suggest you realize you may be just buying a job rather than starting a business.

I don't think anyone could really make it off just one store.

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Almost all franchise require multiple stores to really make a killing. Growing up we owned 3 Dairy Queens. While you can make an ok living off of one if you had no managers and either the husband and wife were there full time, it was better off if you could earn more than the salaries that you pay your managers.
 
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We have two here in a town of 100k that also has two Walmarts, Lowes, Home Despot, etc etc and they do gangbusters. Ace seems like a strong brand. The one closest to me was an old time True Value before it switched to Ace.
The bigger of the two stores would provide a pretty decent income I would think.
 

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Family member has a True Value for many years in a very small farming town in central Ca. Was really good but once Walmart came to a larger town 10 miles away it has been hard to make a profit.

The walmart in the same town as the local True Value doesn't appear to be hurting them any. And walmart has been in town so long they're on their second building.

Closest box store is 90 mile round trip and about useless. Next nearest, not as bad, one more like 150.

Another thing that's been happening around here is the little independent hardware stores in the smaller towns shutting down because of owners retiring. That's probably driven a lot of business to the True Value.
 

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Why would you want to invest hundreds of thousands( franchise + inventory) have the lease, insurances & payroll on something that returns your money at a small margin ?
Go to work at one for a while and see the store from the inside.
 

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Wait, you want to open a business in Califailure? New ballot measure is set to remove Prop 13 deal on commercial properties. Quite possibly the absolute worse time to think about opening a business in this State.


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Not sure what part of the State you're in, but we had a new Ace open here in Lancaster & close again within less than 5 years.
I went in there the week it opened & the week it closed.
 
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California does present a host of problems.
Orchard Supply was a lot like an old-fashioned lumber yard without the lumber. But it was closed down by Lowe's about 18 months ago. I still tell my wife, "I miss Orchard Supply." It was far nicer than going to HD or bLowes.
I scored some "you ****" deals on structural aluminum when they closed down.
I think smaller town America needs more options for hardware stores distinct from the big box joints. So I hope you find a way to make it work for you. :thumbup:
 

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Not an Ace franchisee, but do have one about a mile from my house in my small city. They seem to be doing very well. They have a stand alone building and are in a basically neighborhood setting in my city and not on the main suburban commercial drag. They get a ton of business from the local elderly, which we have a lot of, who don't want to deal driving wise with the heavy traffic commercial drag to get to the huge HD, etc. Since we are the county seat I also often see county trucks in the parking lot as well as city trucks picking up stuff. Just to give an idea of the clientele that have kept them in business for a long time.
 

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But why not start your own store? At least then you are not paying the franchise fees.

But how could any individual store have the buying power of the franchise.

I am starting to look at a second career option, and I’m seriously thinking about an ACE Hardware Franchise.

We've had two different types of Ace's here. The ones that are run like real hardware stores with a wide selection are thriving because they have no B&M competition. The ones that only stock the same limited selection as Walmart or Home Crapo don't last too long.
 

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I own restaurants and had one move in next door at one of our locations. This is the owners 2nd location.

Spent some time talking to owners, they do well at both locations. They are strategically located in neighborhood centers, not regional shopping areas for a reason.

Their business is based on local
Homeowners not looking to travel 20
minutes to Lowe’s/HD for their basic hardware needs. They fill a necessary void that this part of suburbia needed and make good money doing it. That’s their model. Their model is not directly competing with the big boys. When the time comes, the franchise location committee will define locations for their franchisees.

Costs to build out a 3-4K square store and inventory it is about $300-$500k.


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Costs to build out a 3-4K square store and inventory it is about $300-$500k.


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Where? I would be surprised if inventory isn't that much in most cases. A build of of existing space around me would cost $500k on its own, add 2+x that if a new build

It cost us 200-350k just to renovate a single small dunkin in the Boston area
 

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Where? I would be surprised if inventory isn't that much in most cases. A build of of existing space around me would cost $500k on its own, add 2+x that if a new build

It cost us 200-350k just to renovate a single small dunkin in the Boston area



Renovating a 1200square foot DD and a 4K open space with VCT flooring, shelving, and lighting are vastly different jobs. Fit out costs from a vanilla box to retail reading store is about $100k, some of which is typically picked up by landlord.

And yes, the majority of the upfront $300-$500 is for inventory, which btw, has terms on it from the franchise.

Edit: talking inline shopping center retail lease here, certainly not standalone RE.
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Renovating a 1200square foot DD and a 4K open space with VCT flooring, shelving, and lighting are vastly different jobs. Fit out costs from a vanilla box to retail reading store is about $100k, some of which is typically picked up by landlord.

And yes, the majority of the upfront $300-$500 is for inventory, which btw, has terms on it from the franchise.


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I understand the differences between the two very well
 
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I understand the differences between the two very well



I’m not implying that you are uneducated in the subject, only that the costs to outfit those 2 type of retail outlets is vastly different.

DD specs are flat out costly, from the various $10k combi ovens and $20 square tile work to proprietary POS and digital menu boards.

An ace hardware store in $4 square flooring installed, $70 led light fixtures, generic shelving, open ceiling grid and basic landlord supplied hvac systems, with some white finished drywall and peg boards. Throw in a counter with 2 computer registers and frame a wall with a window and door for the back room. That’s about 95% of the build out necessary. Some of which again is picked up by the LL in most lease deals ie the bathroom, lighting, HVAC.

Heck, they save $10k alone because they only have to supply one employee ADA rest room. Various other plumbing in DD will run another $10k.


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I worked at a local True Value in the early 90's in a small town (10,000 people) that has survived Wal Mart and on line retail and still doing well. Hey actually grew the business into the old Wal-Mart building when they built a bigger store. I know two guys that own Ace stores. One in Minnesota and one in a Houston ex-burb. The key to these business is -- obviously -- not compete with the box stores.

To do so, your REALLy need to know the local market; the very local vicinity of customers that won't drive to the box store for the little stuff or need some help with what they need to buy that they need help with. For example, if your store is in an area with homes over 20 years old, a deep stock of plumbing repair parts for faucets of that era. If you've got a working neighborhood with DIYers; then have a very deep stock of builders hardware, open stock hardware and fix it parts. If you've got a higher end neighborhood, maybe it's high end grilling supplies, garden statuary, and unique gift items. Lots of bikers and car guys, then have a good section of chrome hardware and automotive hardware.

If there isn't a paint store around (i.e. Sherwin Williams) then have a deep stock of non-Minwax brands, finishes, and better quality paints than box store DIY brands. Mixing custom paint colors is the way paint works today. So market the heck out if, have it up front and staff it well. Consider how long the wait is at the box stores on a Saturday morning to buy paint and and beat them at it.

The Ace's around here are Sthil dealers, Big Green Egg dealers. They rent carpet cleaners. In general, the rental business is good if you have the right stuff for the area and market it.

Make custom picture frames, do screen repair and offer a sharpening service if there isn't anything in the immediate area. The guy I worked for had a full time position on vacuum cleaner repair and took used vacs on trade, fixed them and sold them. He also had a part time position on screen repair and glass repair. Small engine repair can differentiate your $300 lawn mower from the box box lawn mower for $300.

One of the ACE's around here is semi-rural. They have a lot of pet supplies, tack and things for people that keep a few chickens. My kid browses this section for dog stuff while I'm shopping, which creates add on sales for them. And gate supplies (acreages have gates).

Learn how to manage your inventory and get rid of stock that isn't selling even if you have to discount it. Especially big ticket or big shelf space items. Learn how to merchandise. ACE will offer fixture planners that will give you the shelf layout or peg board layout for how to sell stuff. You don't need to buy these. But you do need to now how to put the impulse items and fast sellers where people will buy them. Make them walk to the things they absolutely need. The guy I know in Minnesota has his sporting goods, RV and boat supplies on the second level. It's absolutely backwards because the causal browser or occasional shopper that stops in looking for supplies doesn't see this stuff. Stuff like that needs to be front and center.
 

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Good info above. As an occasional customer, I like that they are nice for oddball stuff you can't find elsewhere. Prices are 5-10% higher than the big box stores. In our town, the 2 store franchise survives because the nearest big store is 5 miles away.

They seem to do well with small engine repair. They carry brand names like Weber and Yeti that some other stores don't. Many of the customers are elderly and non-DIYers. One downfall is their website is pretty dreadful and hasn't kept up with the times. Wth that, I think it will take them 20 years to go belly-up.
 

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I worked at a local True Value in the early 90's in a small town (10,000 people) that has survived Wal Mart and on line retail and still doing well. Hey actually grew the business into the old Wal-Mart building when they built a bigger store. I know two guys that own Ace stores. One in Minnesota and one in a Houston ex-burb. The key to these business is -- obviously -- not compete with the box stores.

To do so, your REALLy need to know the local market; the very local vicinity of customers that won't drive to the box store for the little stuff or need some help with what they need to buy that they need help with. For example, if your store is in an area with homes over 20 years old, a deep stock of plumbing repair parts for faucets of that era. If you've got a working neighborhood with DIYers; then have a very deep stock of builders hardware, open stock hardware and fix it parts. If you've got a higher end neighborhood, maybe it's high end grilling supplies, garden statuary, and unique gift items. Lots of bikers and car guys, then have a good section of chrome hardware and automotive hardware.

If there isn't a paint store around (i.e. Sherwin Williams) then have a deep stock of non-Minwax brands, finishes, and better quality paints than box store DIY brands. Mixing custom paint colors is the way paint works today. So market the heck out if, have it up front and staff it well. Consider how long the wait is at the box stores on a Saturday morning to buy paint and and beat them at it.

The Ace's around here are Sthil dealers, Big Green Egg dealers. They rent carpet cleaners. In general, the rental business is good if you have the right stuff for the area and market it.

Make custom picture frames, do screen repair and offer a sharpening service if there isn't anything in the immediate area. The guy I worked for had a full time position on vacuum cleaner repair and took used vacs on trade, fixed them and sold them. He also had a part time position on screen repair and glass repair. Small engine repair can differentiate your $300 lawn mower from the box box lawn mower for $300.

One of the ACE's around here is semi-rural. They have a lot of pet supplies, tack and things for people that keep a few chickens. My kid browses this section for dog stuff while I'm shopping, which creates add on sales for them. And gate supplies (acreages have gates).

Learn how to manage your inventory and get rid of stock that isn't selling even if you have to discount it. Especially big ticket or big shelf space items. Learn how to merchandise. ACE will offer fixture planners that will give you the shelf layout or peg board layout for how to sell stuff. You don't need to buy these. But you do need to now how to put the impulse items and fast sellers where people will buy them. Make them walk to the things they absolutely need. The guy I know in Minnesota has his sporting goods, RV and boat supplies on the second level. It's absolutely backwards because the causal browser or occasional shopper that stops in looking for supplies doesn't see this stuff. Stuff like that needs to be front and center.


Very well said! These very topics are what many business owners fail to realize on a REGULAR basis!!
 

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RE: In store product placement.
It is my understanding that disposable diapers are the single best-selling item at any Walmart.

A got to have item

And they are placed on the back wall so you have to walk through the entire store to get to them and back.
It makes you walk by other like to have item on the trip

But when I go to my local, small parking lot, ACE I know what I want and were it is.
I like the short walk and quick in and out.
 

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My parents owned an Ace hardware store for approx. 30 years. It was a nice living for them but they both worked at least 60 hours per week in the store.
 

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I own restaurants and had one move in next door at one of our locations. This is the owners 2nd location.

Spent some time talking to owners, they do well at both locations. ....

Costs to build out a 3-4K square store and inventory it is about $300-$500k.

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That number looks about right to me.
Consider that when Orchard Supply & Hardware closed in 2018 Lowe's announced a $100 million write-down for the closing of the 100 stores. OSH stores were bigger than most True Value or Ace stores I have seen.
 

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You can make a good living owning a hardware store , but you wont get rich until you start adding on additional locations. It is however warm in the winter and cool in the summer. You will also make a lot of great friends , but will tire of the folks with their hands out coming in the door.

The margins are very good , not sure why some folks are calling this a low margin business? The average store makes a 42% margin and their are multiple opportunities to increase this if you buy smart during stock up events and shows.

True Value and Ace are both very competitive with their new store packages. Your major costs will be nuts and bolts , store fixtures , computers and signage. You will also have to take care of your storefront as well . Most new store owners end up leasing a location to cut down on start up costs. Look for something with good visibility and a good traffic count.

Both True Value and Ace will run demographics and suggest locations for you , if you have the liquidity required to open a store. If its something you are serious about build a business plan and sell yourself to the SBA. They are your toughest hurdle other than the fire marshall / building inspector.

Oh yeah , have fun seismic anchoring all of your fixture!
 

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Seems like a risky deal to me. I'm not a franchisee or owner by any means, but at least in my area, they're very small shops and I hardly ever see any traffic. If you're a professional, they go to professional stores with large accounts and credit lines specific to their industry. If you're a DIYer, you go to the big box stores because of the variety and convenience of having nearly everything you may need. I only mostly see older/retired folks at the small hardware stores because of the pace and the atmosphere. But from my point of view, for the non-professionals, the real $ spenders are folks in their 30's and 40's with homes and families and "things to get done". I don't see folks like my parents in their 70's and 80's spending large amounts of money at a store because they're on a fixed income, and frankly don't need to - they're not exactly focused on renovating the entire house for a 6th time in their lives.

So in my opinion you need to strictly weigh your revenue streams and think about what YOU want to get out of this venture. If it's a get-rich-quick scheme, you will most likely fail miserably. If this is your new hobby in the later-half of life, then it may be personally worthwhile to you. I do recommend searching for the thread of the guy with the tool truck venture.
 

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Right about five years ago a local fella took the leap and opened a Ace store in a area that had a family run hardware store for maybe 40 years and closed when the owner retired. About a month after he opened the Ace store, a True Value opened directly across the four lane highway from him in another strip mall. They just closed the Ace a few weeks ago.
 

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OP - what part of California are you located in?

Someone who lives in my development opened an Ace store about a year ago. They ended up closing it up on Jan 1st - for a myriad of reasons.

Since you live in California, I am sure you are aware of the problems with shoplifting and the 'homeless' who like to take up residence in front of business locations. It was a family run business, lots of long hours, and I believe the son was physically attacked at least once... I think the real problem though was the lack of customers. Not matter how helpful or customer service-oriented you are, at the end of the month you have to be able to pay your bills.

Think long and hard about this
 

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We have an ACE Hardware store about 5 blocks from my house. I know the owner, really nice guy, and the store does rather well. If you need to know how to do something, you can't beat ACE because they are able to help you. For example, if you have never done it, but want to know how to replace the flush valve in your toilet, the people at ACE will guide you thru the process. Our ACE Hardware has actually had one of their employees help customers out after work on their own time and not charge them anything. Try to get someone from a big box to even know HOW to replace parts on a toilet much less help a customer out on their own time. There is something about an ACE Hardware store that sets them apart from other hardware stores, at least that has been my experience.
 

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Our local Ace is very popular. Standing in line at the check-out I know where everyone is. That is ahead of me in line with 4-6 registers open. No WalMart or HD/Lowe’s within 30 mi. They staff mostly with gray haired folk and have great stability in that regard. On the other hand, back East we had an excellent Ace in town. HD &Lowe’s moved in within a couple miles and the family gave up. I took it hard. I could get lost in their hardware, but & bolt section, and they had it ALL.
 
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