Any Info Would Be Great!

[VintageToolJunkie87]

I can't seem to find anything on this exact model. No part number or any thing. Just has a "C" on the back side of the opposing handle. Thanks in advance fellas.

 

[cvairwerks]

An exact model of what?

 

[four.cycle]

uh..... what?

 

[VintageToolJunkie87]

Opps sorry I'm new here lol.

 

[VintageToolJunkie87]

Here we go

 

[PCustoms]

It's a pair of Craftsman side cutters

What exactly are you looking for?

 

[RTM]

Geometric C era

 

[four.cycle]

eh....

C = likely Crescent/Cooper Industries, ca. 1964 - 1973 & 1977 - 1993 (currently only applies to pliers)

C = Stanley Works, Taiwanese made, ca. ? - ?(note--this is a Canadian Craftsman series code)

pointy "A" on his - I'd go with the Crescent/Cooper

@VintageToolJunkie87 -

keep this link handy at all times

and this one too

Welcome to the site!

here's the thread with Gary Lauver's list of Craftsman Hand Tool Manufacturers & Date Ranges - the last update was 2017 so there are a mess of later (mostly China-made) codes that are not in that list, but most all the old stuff is in there.

 

[KSJeff]

4516s? Can you lay them down with a ruler and get pictures of both sides?

 

[RTM]

Geometric C era

eh....

C = likely Crescent/Cooper Industries, ca. 1964 - 1973 & 1977 - 1993 (currently only applies to pliers)

So that's not a Geometric C in the stamp? Or was it co opted and used again later?

 

[VintageToolJunkie87]

It's a pair of Craftsman side cutters

What exactly are you looking for?

Date who made them ect.

 

[VintageToolJunkie87]

eh....

C = likely Crescent/Cooper Industries, ca. 1964 - 1973 & 1977 - 1993 (currently only applies to pliers)

C = Stanley Works, Taiwanese made, ca. ? - ?(note--this is a Canadian Craftsman series code)

pointy "A" on his - I'd go with the Crescent/Cooper

@VintageToolJunkie87 -

keep this link handy at all times

and this one too

Welcome to the site!

here's the thread with Gary Lauver's list of Craftsman Hand Tool Manufacturers & Date Ranges - the last update was 2017 so there are a mess of later (mostly China-made) codes that are not in that list, but most all the old stuff is in there.

Thank you Sir.

 

[KSJeff]

Looks like an old pair of 45074s.

 

[four.cycle]

So that's not a Geometric C in the stamp?

You lost me on that one because I don't know what you mean by "geometric C"

What did I miss?

 

[RTM]

You lost me on that one because I don't know what you mean by "geometric C"

What did I miss?

Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

It’s legit

www.garagejournal.com

A Craftsman logo referred to by that name based on the shape of the C

 

[d42jeep]

You lost me on that one because I don't know what you mean by "geometric C"

What did I miss?

Here is a geometric C on a hacksaw.
-Don

 

[VintageToolJunkie87]

So is it a hard to find piece or am I just lame at looking up tools all the sudden?

 

[RTM]

So is it a hard to find piece or am I just lame at looking up tools all the sudden?

Or maybe, so generic a piece that people don’t put a lot of effort into them, just toss them in a drawer with 14 other pairs?

What makes them so special? Oddly shaped jaws or handles, something to define a tool that didn’t change much, across the industry, for more than 50 years?

 

[Leviton]

These are interesting

Looks like an old pair of 45074s.

They do. However, they also seem to have the have the "geometric C" (or the "Long C" as we sometimes call it only without the underline).

The geometric C is, I think, 1920's through 1948? I'm pretty sure the 45074 was not available in that period.

Also, is the top ground down? The top looks flatter than the 45074, although, maybe it is just the angle of the photograph?

Lastly, the indent shown below is not found on all Craftsman diagonal cutters.

 

[VintageToolJunkie87]

These are interesting


They do. However, they also seem to have the have the "geometric C" (or the "Long C" as we sometimes call it only without the underline).

The geometric C is, I think, 1920's through 1948? I'm pretty sure the 45074 was not available in that period.

Also, is the top ground down? The top looks flatter than the 45074, although, maybe it is just the angle of the photograph?

Lastly, the indent shown below is not found on all Craftsman diagonal cutters.
[/QUOTE. How'd I go about finding more or any facts about this pair? I read a lot of educated guessing and could bes. But nothing Rock solid.

 

[VintageToolJunkie87]

Or maybe, so generic a piece that people don’t put a lot of effort into them, just toss them in a drawer with 14 other pairs?

What makes them so special? Oddly shaped jaws or handles, something to define a tool that didn’t change much, across the industry, for more than 50 years?

I'm not sure how to interpret what you are saying? I mean I read you loud and clear. I just ain't sure if you are being sarcastic, arrogant, or truley asking genuine questions? Apologies in advance. I'm honestly just curious and in no way trying to sound like an ***.

 

[Leviton]

How'd I'd go about finding more or any facts about this pair? I read a lot of educated guessing and could bes. But nothing Rock solid.

You could go to the International Tool Catalog Library website and look in Craftsman catalogs year by year to see if you can find one with the same characteristics as yours, focusing on the 1930's to 1948 to start with.

Does it look like the top of your pliers have been ground down a little? (Do you see grind marks?)

 

[RTM]

truley asking genuine questions?

I don't see enough differentiation from your pics to go diving into Sears catalogs, or poking thru the Craftsman threads.

Sarcastic or arrogant might come later, if I find something.

 

[VintageToolJunkie87]

You could go to the International Tool Catalog Library website and look in Craftsman catalogs year by year to see if you can find one with the same characteristics as yours, focusing on the 1930's to 1948 to start with.

Does it look like the top of your pliers have been ground down a little? (Do you see grind marks?)

Yeah possibly but I don't think it looks like a DIY quality grind job in my opinion. When I get home I'll check em out again and post more in detail photos. But yeah I would assume they would be in the =V= era because of the pointy "A"s in the name. Just not sure why they are lacking their part number. Seems odd don't you think?

 

[VintageToolJunkie87]

I don't see enough differentiation from your pics to go diving into Sears catalogs, or poking thru the Craftsman threads.

Sarcastic or arrogant might come later, if I find something.

Understood. Thanks greatly for your time and knowledge. It is appreciated Sir.

 

[d42jeep]

They are certainly earlier than =v= era. Leviton puts the range at ‘30s to 1948 and that seems reasonable to me. Probably closer to ‘48. Geometric C logos had pointed As as well. These are likely earlier than yours, but maybe not much earlier.
-Don