Any plumbers here?

[dthor68]

Yesterday I went to turn off my water hose and the thing just kept turning but did not turn off. Been through this before and know that I need to replace the stem assembly for the sillcock. So I get the name off of the shutoff valve, ProFlo and look up there parts. They do not sell parts. If your frost free spigot breaks down, you have to replace the entire piece. Now I have to go under house, no longer an easy job and twice the expense. Regardless, I will need a 6" x 1/2" frost free, anti-siphon hose bib. Most likely PEX.

So I climb under my 8 year old house and it is like a milky white tubing, I think it is PEX but not sure. I get to my location and there is not even a shut off valve. Anyway, this is what I am looking at.

Does anyone know what I got here, is it PEX. The silcock is not PEX, it is threaded. Should I just get the same type of sillcock and thread it on like this one?

Thanks for any help.

 

[sberry]

I think you can take the stem out of those without removing body. Its got a common washer.

 

[rlitman]

The PEX is PEX-A on an expansion fitting. Good stuff!

Have someone go outside and take out the screws securing the hose bibb flange to the wall. From inside, hold the brass hex tightly, and have your helper outside unscrew the hose bibb from the fitting. Then have them tape the new hose bibb, and send it in through the wall. Carefully start the threads (it's way too easy to cross thread at this step), and while holding the hex inside, have them tighten the hose bibb. Then screw it back onto the wall.

FYI, your current hose bibb appears to be installed at the wrong angle. It is supposed to slope down going outside, so it drains freely. The picture makes it look like it is sloping up.

The chrome plated quarter-turn frost-free shutoffs they sell at HD have a wedge shaped white plastic spacer that is supposed to go behind the flange to set this angle. Way too many people lose these or just don't know their purpose.

My suggestion would be to replace the valve with one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008N3MZF4/?tag=atomicindus08-20

This model is self-draining. It does require several turns to open and close, but it can protect itself from damage, even if the hose is left attached during freezing weather, and it can be entirely serviced from outside. The Woodford frost-free hose bibbs have the flange set at an angle, so you don't need that stupid plastic wedge.

 

[The Cobbler]

the stems do come out. I would take it apart & see what is wrong. post pics here maybe we can help. also it looks like the valve is pitched away from the outside, it should be pitched so it drains .

 

[rlitman]

the stems do come out. I would take it apart & see what is wrong...

They do, but the ceramic cartridge is non-serviceable in those. I've had luck replacing the vacuum breaker components, and tightening the packing, but that's about as much as I've found you can repair. I have several of those left over, and am not going back to that style any more.

 

[dthor68]

The PEX is PEX-A on an expansion fitting. Good stuff!

Have someone go outside and take out the screws securing the hose bibb flange to the wall. From inside, hold the brass hex tightly, and have your helper outside unscrew the hose bibb from the fitting. Then have them tape the new hose bibb, and send it in through the wall. Carefully start the threads (it's way too easy to cross thread at this step), and while holding the hex inside, have them tighten the hose bibb. Then screw it back onto the wall.

FYI, your current hose bibb appears to be installed at the wrong angle. It is supposed to slope down going outside, so it drains freely. The picture makes it look like it is sloping up.

The chrome plated quarter-turn frost-free shutoffs they sell at HD have a wedge shaped white plastic spacer that is supposed to go behind the flange to set this angle. Way too many people lose these or just don't know their purpose.

My suggestion would be to replace the valve with one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008N3MZF4/?tag=atomicindus08-20

This model is self-draining. It does require several turns to open and close, but it can protect itself from damage, even if the hose is left attached during freezing weather, and it can be entirely serviced from outside. The Woodford frost-free hose bibbs have the flange set at an angle, so you don't need that stupid plastic wedge.

Would that be called an MIP/sweat connection? It is angled right. just looks wrong because of my picture.

 

[rlitman]

Would that be called an MIP/sweat connection? It is angled right. just looks wrong because of my picture.

If you're talking about the type of hose bibb to buy, then yes, you want the type with a 1/2 MIP / sweat end. That's the end of the chromed part. The PEX ends with a 1/2 FIP fitting to match.

Understood. Cell phone photo perspective (especially when shot from inconvenient angles) can be very misleading.

 

[Kaizen]

Just get a new entire unit and unscrew it from the fitting indoors. Use Teflon tape in new one. Get a better quality freeze proof unit.


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[dthor68]

Could I use this product. It is 4" longer (10" instead of 6"). Cut the PEX about 4" back and push the PEX directly into the back of it. The problem I have is Home Depot and Lowes in my city do not carry ANY frost free sillcocks. Amazon only carry 3 that are 6" with MPT end and all will take to mid June to get. This sharkbite could be at my house Sunday and actually has a FAR better rating than the other three.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076FY4R71/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[Kaizen]

Could I use this product. It is 4" longer (10" instead of 6"). Cut the PEX about 4" back and push the PEX directly into the back of it. The problem I have is Home Depot and Lowes in my city do not carry ANY frost free sillcocks. Amazon only carry 3 that are 6" with MPT end and all will take to mid June to get. This sharkbite could be at my house Sunday and actually has a FAR better rating than the other three.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076FY4R71/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I suggested that as in my area it would be the easiest. Unscrew and screw in another. Does that pex pipe move in or out any so you can use a standard sized one?
shark bite has not worked well for me.
Maybe you should get a pex crimper and redo the thing as you wish including g a shutoff.


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[jubilee]

My concern would be the dissimilar metals at connection.

 

[johnnyradiant]

An install trick with pex is to leave a loop in the wall then you can loosen the hose bib pull it out service it and push it back in.

 

[rlitman]

Could I use this product. It is 4" longer (10" instead of 6"). Cut the PEX about 4" back and push the PEX directly into the back of it. The problem I have is Home Depot and Lowes in my city do not carry ANY frost free sillcocks. Amazon only carry 3 that are 6" with MPT end and all will take to mid June to get. This sharkbite could be at my house Sunday and actually has a FAR better rating than the other three.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076FY4R71/?tag=atomicindus08-20

You could, though admitting to using SharkBite connections here won't get you any brownie points. If you do end up using that, remember to get a clean cut on the pex, and measure the insertion depth as per the instructions to be sure it is fully in.

My concern would be the dissimilar metals at connection.

There is no issue here. Both pieces are brass. One is merely chrome plated.

 

[Sureshot]

Don't cheap out on the new valve. The more expensive ones will have more brass and stainless parts rather than steel. Been there.

 

[nadogail]

IMHO, Never "cheap out" on a plumbing valve. You may pay dearly if you do.

 

[PelicanPines]

And if you can... incorporate a shutoff... anytime you have some fixture that needs periodic service or repair... a shutoff adjacent to said fixture makes life ... less wet.

 

[Kaizen]

And if you can... incorporate a shutoff... anytime you have some fixture that needs periodic service or repair... a shutoff adjacent to said fixture makes life ... less wet.

Especially on an outdoor faucet. Use a stop valve with a drain thing so you can get all water out.


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