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atotalnincompoop

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i have a circular driveway, in the centre is a grass "island" which has 5 trees on it. 3 poplar and 2 spruce. the poplars days were numbered as the they were old and only produced leaves on the top, the spruce were ugly but mature. as the leaves finally came out last week on our other trees, i noticed yesterday that these poplars had none, then i started looking at the spruce...they are turning brown.
what could cause these trees to all die this year? there are no fluids from the garage anywhere near the island.
any ideas?
 
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Gary S

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Poplars are supposed to die. They are a short lived tree, and since you have been seeing decline in them in previous years, there is probably nothing abnormal there.

The spruce trees should be longer lived. You should check with a local expert to see what diseases and pests affect spruce in your area. These things are different everywhere. Around here, browning of sprice in Spring often is caused by a mite infestation. I don't know if you have that problem where you are.
 

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I've got five 'pine' trees that have turned brown from the bottom up. I was told that it's a disease, and to cut off the affected limbs and burn them along with the raked up needles. I've done that, but the brown continues upward. I'll be replacing at least one in the next year or so. Good luck.
 

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i have a circular driveway, in the centre is a grass "island" which has 5 trees on it. 3 poplar and 2 spruce. the poplars days were numbered as the they were old and only produced leaves on the top, the spruce were ugly but mature. as the leaves finally came out last week on our other trees, i noticed yesterday that these poplars had none, then i started looking at the spruce...they are turning brown.
what could cause these trees to all die this year? there are no fluids from the garage anywhere near the island.
any ideas?

How long have the trees and drive coexisted?
 

CNGsaves

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OP, you don't say WHERE you located as Drought is affecting various parts of USA causing lots of trees to die.

I've had similar Poplar trees and they do die off in pieces, sometimes by beetle insect damage. You could give tree "one last chance" and cut it back to where it looks alive and see if new sprout will grow out of stub.

As for spruce, once they start to die from drought, or more likely Pine Beetle insect damage, those spruce are on their last leg. Best to cut those dead trees down ASAP to prevent further spread of insects.

Post up some pics so we can see what you have going on.
 
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dirtrich

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Lots of things to consider, and almost impossible to diagnose without a site visit.
That having been said, there are a couple of ideas I can throw out there for your consideration.
You could have a massive infestation of "boring, chewing insects" typically beetles, that just showed up within the last year and completely severed the vascular system just under the bark that feeds the tree (Cambium layer). Look closely at the trunk of the tree for bore holes, fine sawdust. Look up the trunk as well as ground level. But it's unlikely that the same type of beetle would be infesting those two very different types of trees.
Is "oak root fungus/armilleria " prevalent in your area? If so, you may have noticed large masses of mushrooms clustered around the trunks and root systems of the trees during your rainy season.
Could just be that both species have just "aged out".
Typically though, it's a number of things each of which have an impact on the tree and will add up to decline and eventual failure over the course of a number of years.
Construction damage comes to mind right off the bat due to your description of the trees location.
They don't like grade changes too much. Was soil heaped up around the trunks? Heavy equipment parked on the root systems (soil compaction)?
Roots cut for driveway installation?
Concrete driveway? That will burn the roots pronto.
Cement truck driver do his wash-out after the pour in the shade (right on the roots)?
Lots of things to consider.
I would also take a look at the other trees in the neighborhood as you're driving around.
How do they look?
 

chicken89

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when i did tree care before moving out of state, i was frequently on www.arboristsite.com . they were helpful, and like this site, had members worldwide. if a member isn't in your area, then they would definitely give details on what to do and products to use if needed.
most of the members are certified arborists through TCIA or ISA.
unfortunately I never got my verifications, so i cannot directly answer your question.
here are 2 site to find certified arborists.
www.isa-arbor.com/faca/findArborist.aspx
https://secure.tcia.org/Consumer/Default.aspx
 

Chaznsc

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about 3 years

My guess is that killed your trees. That's about how long it might take to see the impact as a tree never does overnight unless its a lightning strike, etc. trees are pretty sensitive things, and I know poplars are extremely sensitive to any sort of root disturbance.
 

NY_treeguy

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Another arborist here. I would say that the construction injury did these in also. 3 years is a typical time period for trees to "last" after root compaction/regrading/paving.

If you salt your driveway for ice control, being from Thunder Bay i assume you might, that will do trees in as well.

PS...Keeping a dead Poplar near a house/garage/parking area is not wise unless you have a REALLY small insurance deductible.
 
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