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Anybody here bought a Mohawk lift from Total Tool?

Dzlpete

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An odd story; I contacted Mohawk and/or Total Tool via their websites back in early October, as I was interested in a 12-16k 2 post lift and pricing.
The sales rep from Total Tool who is THE- as in the only dealer **"allowed" to sell to me in their **"protected dealer network" called me, and we spoke. I told him what I was interested in- either size, equipped with a 3phase motor, because I have that available. He was very nice, and said he would get a quote together for me. A few days to a week pass, he calls and says he has the quote and wanted to stop by and see the space and deliver the quote. Great!
I think it was even on a Saturday. Seemed like a decent, no BS type salesman.

When he showed up, he did indeed have both quotes, but with single phase motors- not a huge deal, but 3 phase motors last longer, generally cost quite a bit less to buy and run, so I told him I would be interested to see if that helped the pricing. I also was interested in the 3 stage arms- he had priced 2 stage.

When he leaves, I told him I was interested, but I had a lot on my plate, but I would be in touch when I could move forward. I run a full time woodworking and contracting business and was buried with work.
Everything was great so far. Fast forward a couple weeks, he called to check in.
I told him I was still interested, but I needed to finish up a few things before I could give this my attention.
Fast forward to last week. I contact him, tell him I am ready to move forward- even before the end of year if he can fit me in the schedule. But, I would still like to see if we can get the 3phase and longer arms. He checks out his stock and tells me he only has 3 3 phase machines in stock, no single phase, and none of them are 3 stage arms.
He got back to me, and told me that that would be a $17-1800.00 upcharge.I said no thanks, and told him to just move forward as per the original quote.
He then tells me that there was a price increase "from the company" and they would not honor the quote????He said he would email me the "new" price.
I explained that in 20-25 years in business I had never seen a company not honor a quote at 60 days or so. 6 months or a year, I understand.
Anyway, at this point, obviously there are bad feelings on both sides.

I then called Mohawk to find out about this "price increase".
They told me the prices on those units had been the same for about the past year, no price increase from them.
Now, I get a little irritated!
So, I contact him via text, and ask what gives? And tell him that I think a company that won't stand behind a quote, and wants a " price increase" is doing so out of greed.
I was very careful not to word this as a personal attack on him, but he certainly took it this way. I replied as such, and apologized that he had took it this way.
I also told him I had received no emails from him whatsoever, even though he insists he sent me the revised pricing.
He has been incommunicado ever since????
Anybody here actually had a good experience with them?
Maybe I said something wrong? But after being in business this long, I tend to cut right through the BS rather quickly and bluntly.
 
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JohnK007

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Wow! I think you should send this post, as written, directly to Mohawk Customer Support along with a request if there is another dealer outside Total Tool's "protected dealer network" that will sell you a lift. If not, then you'll find another brand with better customer service.

Sounds like "Total Tool" is a fitting name for the company.
 
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Dzlpete

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I decided that a used machine might be just fine, and started poking around and found several that would meet my requirements. A few of them only 5-10 years old, so I called Mohawk today, to inquire about how or what the warranty is on a used machine, and if I can get parts for them direct, or if I have to use a dealer.
Warranty is only for original owner, so out of luck there, but they have and will sell parts if needed.
They were curious why I was looking at used, so I told them the story, which they found very interesting. I explained that I am ready to buy now, but nobody wants to sell me their lift.
I also explained that I have decided to buy a Mohawk, and that if I had to get it used, so be it, but it wasn't going to help their bottom line one bit if I did get a used machine.
The person understood this and agreed to do some digging.
Hopefully tomorrow I find out something.
Spending money should not be this hard.....
 

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I have purchased parts directly from Mohawk with no issues, in my opinion they are very helpful, it seems you are finding that out first hand. As for the total tool, well that sounds like a ridiculous upcharge and the increase may be from too much Christmas spending on their part? Regardless, let us know what transpires, my fingers are crossed that Mohawk will help make things right.
 
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Dzlpete

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Well, the Mohawk guy said he would get back to me by end of day yesterday, but I haven't heard from him yet. However, not 3 hours after contacting him, the Total Tool salesman who had all but disappeared, fired off a new email quote with the "revised pricing" to the tune of $1400.00 more than their original quote in Oct.

The interesting part is that, the old quote, and the new quote have the very same quote number on them. Hmmmmm.......

I am starting to wonder, if there is a "protected dealer" network, where you can only buy from 1 place, how is this NOT some form of collusion???
 

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Protected dealers are essentially franchises, so they can live and die by their pricing. I would call other Mohawk dealers and get pricing, then talk to Mohawk again, or just go used and be done with it. As far as I am concerned, a mohawk lift is a lifetime purchase.
 
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Dzlpete

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John, funny you mention Rotary. My Mohawk dealer is also the Rotary dealer. I wonder if they have a "protected network" as well. I have decided that TT does not deserve, and will not get a dime of my money.
I was specific about Mohawk, because of the build quality being the best I have been able to see, and, very importantly, they are made right here in the US, completely to my knowledge.
I have heard that Rotary is not made here.
The sad part is, that the Mohawk plant is only about 60 miles away from me.
I could be there and back with a lift in 2 hours.
 

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I have heard that Rotary is not made here.

Did ya watch the video (You really should). Many are built here, some aren't, mine was.

Call them, tell them what you want, ask where it is made.

You'd think Mohawk would let you drive there and pick up your lift? Have you asked them if that's possible?
 
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I had the owner of Mohawk call me directly on my cell phone and shared his contact info with me as well. I'm sure he would find a way for you to purchase a new lift if you are still interested...

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Dzlpete

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I have spoken to several people at Mohawk, though none have identified themselves as the owner, and they have yet to follow through with getting back to me.

I watched the video, and went to Rotary's website. However, they don't want to provide any specifics on their equipment without me first giving them all my sales contact info- email address and phone etc...

I have contacted several other dealers, and Mohawk, I still get the same schtick- I can only buy from my "protected dealer" or else,
1. I have to buy at government procurement rates, which is ridiculous, because I don't have an unlimited tax base set up to pay whatever it costs, or,
2. I buy without warranty, because the minute I try to register with Mohawk for the warranty, the offending dealer is required to pay the protected dealer a fat check. I assume that covers their sales commission.

I am putting this out here, not to "bash" anyone, or any business, but to enlighten others of what I was told.

I am sure all involved are stand-up companies individually, but they are all playing by archaic and absurd rules in what is supposed to be a free economy.

I am learning an aweful lot by just stirring the pot a little.
 

lakeroadster

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I watched the video, and went to Rotary's website. However, they don't want to provide any specifics on their equipment without me first giving them all my sales contact info- email address and phone etc...

Sometimes the old ways are the best ways. Contact them by phone: 1.800.445.5438

I'll PM you contact data for a guy that works there..
 
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Dzlpete

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Well, I tried Rotary twice today. The inside guy is on vacation, and the regular phone system kept me on hold for 5 minutes each time before I gave up. They are more inaccessable than Mohawk
 

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Your timing kind of *****. When I think back at the best companies I ever worked at.... there was a skeleton crew working there between Christmas and New Years.
 
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Dzlpete

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In the spirit of fairness, and giving credit, where credit is due, here is an update;

Several days ago, I called Mohawk themselves, and spoke to a gentleman there by the name of Ray. I explained everything to him, and he said he would see what could be done.
He has been on the road several days this week, so contact has been touch and go, but...
He emailed me last night, and told me there had been some kind of miscommunication between Mohawk and Total Tool, but he had spoken to the sales manager there and ironed it out. Total Tool can now/is willing to sell me the unit I want at the price I was quoted.
I do not know how, or why, this came about, and I'm not going to dig into it.
However they are going to honor their half of the agreement, and so I will mine.
That's all I wanted all along.
So, it pays to be the squeaky wheel sometimes.
Thanks for all the input.
Can't wait to get it up and running sometime around Jan. 9th it looks like.
Now I have a reason to try to get the heater in that section working.
 

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Good luck moving forward :thumbup:

Are you erecting the lift yourself.. or are the not so trust worthy folks at Total Tool handling that task?

Once bitten... twice shy.
 
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timdgsr

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Congratulations on getting the issue resolved. You are more forgiving than I am, as Total Tool would have lost my business, even if they came back with a lower quote than original.
 
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