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Anyone ever try DIY Paintless Dent removal tools?

So i got a car with a good few hundred hail dents. I never did plan to fix them(but drp along quote was close to 3k) but for the sake of learning a new skill it is a good opportunity.

Only issue i have is that these PDR Tool Sets are anywhere from 300-2000. Which seems unreasonably high.

Im aware they need to be of proper grade metal or excessive flexing will keep them from working properly, but nearly 2k for a bunch of rods?

Anyone have any insight? There are tons of sites but they are all promoting their product , never know for sure...
 
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I don't have experience with PDR but would also be interested in hearing from someone who does.
 
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I took the plunge and got a basic set of bars and reflector for 200 off what appears to be a reliable ebay seller. Worst case i take a hit and flush them back on ebay
 

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The two good PDR guys I know both stared with a very small kit, then have made everything themselves from that point.
 

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Good luck. Let us know how difficult it is to become proficient in PDR.
 

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Ive made a few tools myself. One of my favorites is the hot glue attachment for a small slide hammer.
Set it in the hot glue allow to cool pull the dent and remove the attachment with rubbing alcohol .Dont cheap out with a HF set,get one that was made by a guy in the business.
Oh and practice,practice,practice. Use an old body panel and make some dents in it before you ruin your car.Also on hail dents Ive used a buffer with wool pad and taken out all the dents in my hail damaged black Firebird that had about $3k worth of damage.
Dry ice or keyboard cleaner and a wet rag works too.
 
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Finally got around to un-boxing the tools!

Will give it a shot on a fender i plan to replace later this week . So far they look solid. It looks like the ends are hand rounded(or at least with a bench grinder) Once i get the feel of how important the ends is i may smooth it out a bit.
 

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Any updates on your tool purchases and hail damage project? My car; just got nailed and I am thinking, of getting some tools and trying to do the repairs myself! Any info appreciated! Thanks! :)
 

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I have several that I have made from various long cabinet tip style screwdrivers that I have been using for several years. I also use the tension rods used on deck lids for donor material as well that I have added handles to or bent for hand placement and grip. The best advice I can give anyone wishing to make their own PDR tools is to make sure that you anneal the steel while producing the shapes you are creating. I will post some photos tomorrow.
 

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Re: Anyone ever try DIY Paintless Dent removal tools?

I just got a estimate for my car; these hail chasers, that have descended on my area want $700 for just the roof and they want the headliner removed. I'm not familiar with labor rates with pdr or these types of "here today; gone tomorrow" guys charge more for retail customers vs. wholesale but it seems expensive to me. My hood and deck lid/trunk have clear coat peel issues; they refused to do those, saying they need the factory paint to "see" the dents during the repair process. Seeing, how $700 isn't going to fix all the repairs anyway; it would seem buying some pdr tools and potentially learning a new skill, could make some financial sense. Does anyone know; if $700 sounds right for pdr repairs on a small roof (with a sunroof); on a 2002 Volkswagen New Beetle? It would seem to me; charging these type of rates for pdr; you could make a decent living doing this type of work. :)
 

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Re: Anyone ever try DIY Paintless Dent removal tools?

It would seem to me; charging these type of rates for pdr; you could make a decent living doing this type of work. :)
PDR guys do well because it's a very, very difficult thing to do well. My brother's been doing it for twenty years, since before many people even knew what it was. He doesn't chase hail, but he's been flown to Germany, Australia and Tangiers to work after storms. I trained under him for a few months and honestly couldn't hack it. I didn't have the patience.
From my experience you'd be throwing away your money to "get a few tools and learn a new skill". It takes a lot of time and commitment to learn to do well.
Definitely be careful about the fly-by-night guys. They're not all bad, but I've watched parades of them come into my bros shop when we had hail here, he'd put 'em on a scrap hood to see what they could do, and 99% didn't make it past the scrap hood.
As to cost, retail is of course higher, but if they're quoting anywhere near what traditional auto body would run, they're either over-priced, or should be suggesting you go to a body shop. Why they would be talking to you about the getting the headliner down is a mystery to me. Any PDR guy should be able to get it down in a few minutes, they'll charge for it of course, it'll be on the estimate as R&I.


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Well, they showed up in my town; like a bunch of pdr locusts! They are are on every corner with banners and some with large tool trailer setups, special gear, lights, tents, etc. I only got two estimates but surprisingly; they both were @ $700 (plus another $100 to remove the headliner) and that was for the roof only! One guy; was pretty heavily disassembling the interiors of the car he was working on and even removed body panels, like a trunk lid, to do the dent removal. Whether, this is a lack of skill on their part or normal pdr technique to get access to the back of the panel, I don't know.

It seems from the insurance industries point f view; pdr has changed the whole body repair estimation game. Cost drives everything, obviously; the estimator was looking at pdr and just replacing panels (hood/trunk panels) and essentially was going to total the car, junk it. Looking at my options; I figured I would take the money for the repairs estimated and see what I could do, about repairing things myself. Hopefully, keeping the costs lower than taking things to a pro. From a practical point of view; to get the car to a acceptable repaired condition, it will require a combo traditional auto body repair and pdr techniques., to fix everything.

As for buying the tools and trying to do the work, you could very well be right. The nature/condition of the car; is such that it isn't worth much at this point in its life cycle and a decent amount of the car needs repaint/body work. I don't know about my potential of success but in another life I worked in a body shop, so I thought I would at the least research the possibility of doing it myself. $700 seems like allot of money and that doesn't address the hood and rear trunk lid,. They need to be repaired because of hail damage and repainted (clear coat has flaked off). Currently, I have more time then money and trying some pdr, sounds interesting. I respect your experience and appreciate what you are saying! :) my thoughts were I could give it a try and if I got nowhere; I could resell the tools and probably, not have lost much in the process! I'm sure there is a mix of nievete, ignorance and curiosity, in my thought to give pdr a try (as they say; ignorance is bliss)! I welcome more comments and specific tools or tool kit recommendations, that would be good to get me statrted! I maybe totally out of my depth but I guess you don't know, until you try! Right? :)
 
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Well, they showed up in my town; like a bunch of pdr locusts! They are are on every corner with banners and some with large tool trailer setups...

One guy; was pretty heavily disassembling the interiors of the car he was working on and even removed body panels, like a trunk lid, to do the dent removal. Whether, this is a lack of skill on their part or normal pdr technique to get access to the back of the panel, I don't know.

The best guys will have spots waiting for them at reputable body shops.

As for the disassembly you spoke of, that's pretty standard. It's so much easier to work when you have plenty of access. A good PDR guy is confident pulling everything off a brand new, dealer car and getting it all back on perfectly. I did it for a long time myself.

A lot of people try PDR and give it up, so watch CL and ebay. I bought about 40 tools for less than $5 a piece back when I gave it a go. Don't worry too much about getting the "right tools". My brother said the best PDR guy he ever met was a guy in Tangiers who had half a dozen different shaped broomsticks.

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FigureItOut, would you mind; giving me an idea of a basic pdr tool set, that would get someone like me started? Primary damage on my car; is from hail but tools for other types of damage, appreciated as well. Thanks!
 
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Re: Anyone ever try DIY Paintless Dent removal tools?

If you're asking me for a link or part number of a specific kit, I can't help you.
Get a couple whale tails, and a couple rods of varying lengths with narrow points, and a roll of gorilla tape. Don't worry too much about the point shape until you get a feel for it. If it's too sharp, wrap it with half width tape. You'll need a light and a light stand. Please just get as cheap as you can, something someone is getting rid of. You could spend a grand on a light and stand very easily. Don't.
Also see if a local body shop will give you a hood. You'll need to practice on it first. You'll need an S-hook and about a 2" ring for a fulcrum. You'll need to be able to R&I your headliner, YouTube will help with that.

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there used to be a member on here that shared some of his miracles of PDR. He repaired a caved in door on a Porsche, couldn't even tell there was ever any damage.
 

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Re: Anyone ever try DIY Paintless Dent removal tools?

It's pretty damn amazing to see the really skilled work. I'm surprised no PDR guy has chimed in.

I really wish I had a pic of it, but my bro used PDR technique to "tattoo" a Broncos logo on his Seqouia (sp?) hood. It was nothing short of incredible. Guys used to see it and offer him thousands to do stuff, he never did but it had to be more fun than pushing dents.

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Re: Anyone ever try DIY Paintless Dent removal tools?

As far as the tools, don't forget the chain and clip or hook to pivot against. You'll also want some kind of light that you can get at a low angle to make the dents easier to see.

I've used a large s hook and a piece of 3/8 drill rod, forged to a rounded hook and hardened, to make door dings less noticeable. I don't have nice cars, but I prefer to keep them generally straight.

Typical small dings can be eased out with a lot of patience, but I wouldn't try doing a whole hailed on car and expect a smooth result.
 

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i am in awe that nobody has posted a video or gif of a suction cup adult toy pulling out a dent. I almost forgot what its like to have an online conversation with mature people.. haha
 
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Hit up a shop that does steering and suspension.

Pick up a variety of tie rods for rack and pinion steering and a few terminals from import cars.

Cut away the cup part leaving a rod with a hardened steel ball on the end. Some are small and others not but you want a variety.

Extend some and put angles near the ball end on some in varied manners. The best ones will reveal themselves and the rest are for future mods.

My best was about 20" long with a ball straight off one end and the other at a 45 extended about 2" out.

Others were variants of that but the one did most of the jobs I messed with.
 

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DIY? What you're asking, in my opinion, is akin to asking where you might find a good cheap scalpel because you'd like to try your hand at surgery. I'd suggest only good quality and reputable PDR tools

I doubt the OP needs this reply 5 years after he first posted.

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I borrowed a cheap $30 set of PDR tools. Never used them before but I pulled dent out of mini van rear door I was asked to paint. Pretty easy to use and plenty of sets on Amazon. Well worth owning a set
 

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Re: Anyone ever try DIY Paintless Dent removal tools?

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Johnson Set: You don't need the short ones, just the two longer ones. They cost like 40$. If you are torn, just get the longest one. This is essentially the rod that you will push most of the damage out, but it doesn't have the good tips that you want. Also, don't buy the tips from them.

Dentcraft
Get a hook, small hammer, sharp amber knockdown, one big plastic-covered tip and one sharp one, and a reflection board. All in about 150$.

You may need to look at some whale tales from Dentcraft if you have any dents under bracing, but any flat tool will work. I've fixed several common items around the shop.

I'm sure many other dent guys would disagree with me, but this is really all that you need. I've fixed dents to absolute perfection with a lot less. Having said all of that, its really the skill of the technitian and not the tool itself. After 25 years fixing dents, I've just had more screw-ups and figured patterns around it. So I could fix your car to perfect along with 4 other cars in a day. While you will be on that one car for three or four weeks, maybe longer. If you really want to know more email me. Im a working tech and I stay busy, but if you email me, I will give you some pointers and maybe what you specifically need for your car and your unique dent and its location.
 

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PDR tool is so cheap that it is easier to buy already ))
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what about heating the area around the ding with an electric inductive bolt heater ?

Look easy on YouTube.....HaHaHa......
 
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