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I was just looking at those the other day. I ended up going with a JD Squared model 32 instead for a few reasons.
https://www.jd2.com/p-67-model-32-bender-manual.aspx

There are more dies available and I wont use it very often and the Rogue one is pretty large and heavy to move it to put it away, I was told it is 150 pounds put together. Also the dies are steel with the JD squared instead of Aluminum. I also bought the Hydraulic mount from Swag Offroad and a Air operated Hydraulic cyl from Harbor freight. Have not received everything yet so have no info on using it.
Im sure the Rogue one would work fine though looking at the videos.
 
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I would do some research. I think you'll find a lot more people, including people that really know what they are doing are using the JD or similar. I think the Rogue has some dis-advantages. Just my OP of coarse.
 

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Been thinking of one and have seen all the DIY and new stuff and ran across this from Rougefab.com

Looks interesting and I do like to weld! Videos and reviews look OK but always like other input.

https://www.roguefab.com/product/tubing-bender-one-die-set-5/

FWIW, I like my Hossfeld. It was cheap and you can do a lot of things with it. You can buy a kit to make it hydraulic or convert it yourself and do it on the cheap. You can even punch holes in plate with it.
 

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Built mine from "Got Trikes" plans. It also uses a Harbor Freight ram. The dies come from "Pro_Tools " in Tampa. If you can weld, you can build one of these fairly inexpensively.
 

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I have a JD2 Model 3, Lots of dies available as well as custom dies available...
I don't foresee myself bending larger than 2" and most assuredly not 1/4" wall 2"...
I used a power team cylinder and AOH pump... got a stand from Trick Tools... I like it a lot. Does everything I have needed to do except some SS .065 wall stuff for some pool rails, don't even start with the pack it with sand stuff, I tried that and it still kinked... ended up welding them instead of bending... but it makes me money.... next bender will be a mandrel bender....
 
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Yeah, not sure about is why I am asking.

It does look large and the propriatary alum dies were a question.

Done alot of searching on CL for benders and see all the standards, but never theirs.
 

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Yeah, not sure about is why I am asking.

It does look large and the propriatary alum dies were a question.

Done alot of searching on CL for benders and see all the standards, but never theirs.

I am NOT saying that there is anything wrong with that bender Most benders suffer from "Proprietary" I would like a bender that will do 180 Degrees in one shot. 90 in one shot is possible. 180 requires a different machine with a shaft or chain instead of direct drive hydraulics. Speaking of Hydraulics the HF AOH jack is not something I wanted the stroke is longer then my Power Team Ram (18" vs 14") but it is a bit slower than my setup. My setup with 4 sets of dies from JD2 directly was less expensive than the Rogue Fab... I like the Edwards Ironworkers that can be a hydraulic power source too, they have a bender and a press and such that operate off the ironworker slush pump. Again proprietary. There are quite a few that use the Pro 105 Dies... A fab friend recommended the JD2, and told me that the Model 3 would do what I want to be able to do. I also have a HULK roller from SWAG, I like it a lot, it makes me money too. I plan to UPGRADE all of my machines eventually slowly. Right now I am researching a Shear (want one that will do at least 1/4") and an Iron Worker, probably a 50 ton... and a Box and Pan Brake. etc...
 

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Then there's always this...my power steering box bender!

http://www.offroadfabnet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8830

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Thanks for all the input guys. Keeping an eye out for used as new is going to run about a grand.

Got some bumper, cross members and storage to build and it will come in handy.
 

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I have one.. It works really well. One of the main advantages to one of these is that it bends vertical, instead of horizontal, so you don't need a clear open space the size of a bulldozer to bend a long tube. You do have to re-pin on certain diameter dies for large degree bends, but you have to do that with any bender.

The one thing that I think they could improve is the way the rotating assembly sits on the shaft with the dies. What you have is two large flat uprights, and two flat roating disks?, and the die sits between those on the shaft. My only complaint is that the dies don't have spacers to keep them centered, so you just have to pay attention when you put the pipe in and make sure everything is centered before you start bending, because there will be a space between the outer edges of the dies, and the big rotating disks, so they can all move until you put pressure on it.

That said, it's a rugged machine, and can bend up to 2" .250 wall I believe, or 1.75" solid bar
 

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Oh, and I forgot one really great plus.. The way this machine attaches the pipe to the dies is with a clamp block. You clamp it on, and then it pins into the machine, and it is what pulls the pipe around (not a strap welded to the die on jd2 and other models), so you can actually start a bend, remove the pipe (with the clamp block still attached), check fitment, and then pin it back in the machine and resume exactly where you left off
 

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Built mine from "Got Trikes" plans. It also uses a Harbor Freight ram. The dies come from "Pro_Tools " in Tampa. If you can weld, you can build one of these fairly inexpensively.



i got the same one

X3 and I'm happy with mine.

I also have a set of plans for a Pro Tools model 200 "bottle jack" bender that they used to offer for free on their website...at least they did around 6 or 7 years ago, you had to send an email to the one given on their site and they would email the plans to you. I had the side plates plasma cut and never finished building it....need to add it to "to finish list" .
 

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Sorry FBJR, wasn't trying to derail your thread. I should just start another.

I could not see any pictures on either of those threads. Did you build it? Can you post some pics and details here?

I never built one, but I plan too. The guy in the thread that built it said it worked great. A part he fabbed broke and he abandoned it. Don't know what's up with the pics on MBN, they made some changes and lost some stuff. The others should work.

damn that a good idea

Thanks.
 
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Still in the air on what to do. Welding and cutting is not an issue if I go that way.
Thanks for all the input.
 

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They are a vendor over on Pirate and they have a very long thread there with many members reviews and shots of what they have built with it. Everyone seems to really like it. I am planning to order one myself when I get closer to the tube work stage on my Jeep rebuild.
 

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I've seen one, but never used it. I'm sure they bend tube just fine; I just dont understand the appeal. The benders from reputable companies like JD2 and ProTools are less expensive, consume less space and have more die availability. They can also be easily retrofitted for hydraulics (air/hydro or elec/hydro) or converted to vertical configuration.
 
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I am leaning towards the JD style now. There are a couple deals out there and it will do more of what I want.
 

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I've seen one, but never used it. I'm sure they bend tube just fine; I just dont understand the appeal. The benders from reputable companies like JD2 and ProTools are less expensive, consume less space and have more die availability. They can also be easily retrofitted for hydraulics (air/hydro or elec/hydro) or converted to vertical configuration.


Difference in cost is minimal, actually less when you factor in converting the protools/JD2 to hydraulics. Rotary style benders like this are stronger in design and can bend heavier wall tubing. Also these will do larger degree bends without repinning. Another important factor people forget, is that dies will wear out. With the main die being 360*, your die life is way longer then the protools or JD2 dies. Space wise, its a toss up, about the same I've found.

I've used a jd2 manual and hydraulic, and I now own a rogue fab bender. There's a reason I bought the rogue fab. I like and use the capacity the rogue bender has, I can lay out bends easier, and the fact it can do almost 360* bends (if you enjoy cutting the tube out of the bender lol) is a nice feature.
 

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Can the rogue do close bends?

It looks like it would have more clearance issues than the more common style.
 

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As close as the die will allow and as long as the tube clears the side plates. Great for bumpers, cages, etc.
 
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Found a Protool 105 for 225 shipped. No handle, dies or stand. I was looking at the Woodward but it seems to be a knockoff and a few bad reviews.

No for dies. Thinking 1in and 1.5 to start off. I also understand many of the dies from JD/JMR with work with the protool, but I want to get it first.

Plan is to mount it on a engine stand for mobility and pulling down to bend. Most likely will add hydro.

Thx for input guys. Anyone have dies?
 

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"tube clears the side plates"

This is the part that looks questionable.

That's only if you're doing multi plane bends (which you shouldn't be doing unless bending a true seamless tubing), otherwise no problems. The only real limitation on how tight bends can be together is limited by the die radius, and really it's no different than any of the other benders.


Found a Protool 105 for 225 shipped. No handle, dies or stand. I was looking at the Woodward but it seems to be a knockoff and a few bad reviews.

No for dies. Thinking 1in and 1.5 to start off. I also understand many of the dies from JD/JMR with work with the protool, but I want to get it first.

Plan is to mount it on a engine stand for mobility and pulling down to bend. Most likely will add hydro.

Thx for input guys. Anyone have dies?

Protools has to be anchored to the floor if using without hydraulics, your engine stand plan will not work without hydraulics. Price wise you'll be into it for at least 750$ with one die set, stand, & hydraulics.
 

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Found a Protool 105 for 225 shipped. No handle, dies or stand. I was looking at the Woodward but it seems to be a knockoff and a few bad reviews.

No for dies. Thinking 1in and 1.5 to start off. I also understand many of the dies from JD/JMR with work with the protool, but I want to get it first.

Plan is to mount it on a engine stand for mobility and pulling down to bend. Most likely will add hydro.

Thx for input guys. Anyone have dies?

Looks like retail is only $280 for the 105. It's gonna be heavy and most of the retailers (that I'm aware of) wont offer free shipping on them. http://shop.pro-tools.com/products/manual-tube-and-pipe-bender-105-series-standard-duty Up to you whether you think it's a good deal or not. Handle and stand are usually extra, but can be easily built from some scrap metal.

No idea about cross-compatibility of the dies. I think all the hole spacing is unique, but I'm sure some will share dimensions. I think your best bet will be to just account for requiring the dies specific to your model bender.

Protools has to be anchored to the floor if using without hydraulics, your engine stand plan will not work without hydraulics. Price wise you'll be into it for at least 750$ with one die set, stand, & hydraulics.

Agreed on the manual bending. You'll be putting a good 4-6' handle on it and cranking with a lot of weight out into it. Unless you can weight down that stand with LOTS of lbs, it's not gonna work too well.

Not sure I agree with your pricing:
Bender: $225
1.5" Die: $287
Air/Hydro Jack: $72 (20% off HF. that's a good price right now! Rogue bender doesnt include this either)
SWAG Mount: $110

=$694. Okay, Mustange70, not too far off :thumbup:

Also consider that you can make your own hydro ram mount if interested/want to save some $$
 

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Difference in cost is minimal, actually less when you factor in converting the protools/JD2 to hydraulics. Rotary style benders like this are stronger in design and can bend heavier wall tubing. Also these will do larger degree bends without repinning. Another important factor people forget, is that dies will wear out. With the main die being 360*, your die life is way longer then the protools or JD2 dies. Space wise, its a toss up, about the same I've found.

I've used a jd2 manual and hydraulic, and I now own a rogue fab bender. There's a reason I bought the rogue fab. I like and use the capacity the rogue bender has, I can lay out bends easier, and the fact it can do almost 360* bends (if you enjoy cutting the tube out of the bender lol) is a nice feature.

Good points! And thanks for the insight. Never really considered that advantage of the 360 deg die. On their site, it looks like some of the dies are aluminum, is that true? Or maybe the pics are just misleading?
 
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I can build the handle and mount for the stand easy. Even the hydro looks easy enough.

Pulling it down with a foot on the stand should work until hydro is added.

New the 105 is $300, plus shipping. Finding dies is the challenge now.
 

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Wow, lots of discussion here.

Dies - yes they're aluminum. Our dies are lifetime warrantied. Just like the machine. You can't break them while bending the right OD tubing. We've tried. We've thrown 2" x .250 1026 DOM at them, no ptoblems. Up to 90 ksi yield on 1026. These aren't cheap imported castings. US material and US machining to our strict designs.

We make custom dies and add any common requests to our line up. Every single die is kept in stock. We ship benders, dies, and tube notchers in 1 business day or less in 75% of orders.

Bend spacing- about 5" between bends with any rotation you want, no limit on bend angle. "S" bends and bends in line back to back are possible with any spacing, including touching. 23 degree max on one leg of S bends in one direction.

Our reputation and customer service leave nothing to be desired. We stand behind our products forever. No fine print. Call and talk to a human who knows the product inside and out, and all the common applications.

Our machine isn't "apples to apples" with the JD2 line. We're priced below any of their air operated machines, close to a model 32 manual. We have the bend orientation benefits of a model 3, S bend capability like the model 4 has without the limitation of rotation between bends, and wall thickness capacity in excess of the model 3, 32, 4, and even 54, with the portability and compact operating space that is unrivaled by any of our competitors including JD. A few of those machines go above our max OD. All our dies bend to 96 degrees in the first ram stroke. No other 180 bender can do this within $500 of our price tag. Our 180 degree dies cost much less with shipping (averages here, not every single one). Our machine does have several cool benefits to the separated clamp block die design (mock up and resume a bend with just 1 pin removal, use multiple blocks for production speed on batch parts or tracking bend planes, leave no bolt - imprints on tube, even polished stainless, etc).

Both machines (ous aand JD2) are backed with great tech support, made here in the US, and make just as nice of bends (on comparable CLR). You can't go wrong with either manufacturer. It comes down to what features you want, what your trusted freinds recommend, and personal preference.

You will be happy with any of the machines discussed here. M32, 105, Rogue Fabrication 600. Just don't go import!
 

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I've had the Rogue unit for about 2 years and not a single hiccup (other than the learning curve of bending). I've got 1.25 and 1.75 dies.

Would certainly recommend

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Wow, lots of discussion here.

You will be happy with any of the machines discussed here. M32, 105, Rogue Fabrication 600. Just don't go import!


I was gonna go into detail, but Roguefab themselves said it best. For the dollar I believe their's is the best bang for the buck from capacity to capability, the protools and other similar setups just aren't at the same level.
 

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Had a chance to use my JD squared Model 32 yesterday and it works great, very happy with the purchase.:D
 
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