Anyone used Anchor Epoxy?
- Thread starter Gambitt
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I'm really suprised no one has used this. I have a friend that has recommended it to me. He has had it on a garage floor that receives heavy abuse and reports it has held up well for 10 years. He just poured a new floor and covered 5000 sq ft with it.
Because of his positive experience, I am thinking about using it. I can get enough of it in a solid color to do my 1500 sq ft garage for around $600.
Because of his positive experience, I am thinking about using it. I can get enough of it in a solid color to do my 1500 sq ft garage for around $600.
WolverineCoatings
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Ok... I'll bite... lol...
I've been ignoring this thread intentionally. I'm not going to comment on the company... only the technology.
This technology is only 50% solids and is a low quality solventbased polyamide. What I mean by that is that a polyamide is as cheap (and the lowest quality) of an epoxy. You will only be able to apply it at about 4 mils wet and it will only be 2 mils when dry.
Now, in the last 10 years MANY raw materials have been discontinued for environmental and health reasons. A solventbased epoxy purchased today probably isn't going to have the strong and toxic chemicals that it had 10 years ago.
There are two things I would consider if I were you
1) Is it really a good deal? You've got to look at how much money it's going to cost you for how much thickness when it's dry. How many gallons do you get for $600?
2) The chemisty... A good quality cycloaliphatic system is going to be exponentially more durable and resistant to yellowing.
So, what it boils down to...
It takes the same amount of work to put down a couple of mils as it does to put down a substantial floor. 90% of the job is the prep!
I've been ignoring this thread intentionally. I'm not going to comment on the company... only the technology.
This technology is only 50% solids and is a low quality solventbased polyamide. What I mean by that is that a polyamide is as cheap (and the lowest quality) of an epoxy. You will only be able to apply it at about 4 mils wet and it will only be 2 mils when dry.
Now, in the last 10 years MANY raw materials have been discontinued for environmental and health reasons. A solventbased epoxy purchased today probably isn't going to have the strong and toxic chemicals that it had 10 years ago.
There are two things I would consider if I were you
1) Is it really a good deal? You've got to look at how much money it's going to cost you for how much thickness when it's dry. How many gallons do you get for $600?
2) The chemisty... A good quality cycloaliphatic system is going to be exponentially more durable and resistant to yellowing.
So, what it boils down to...
It takes the same amount of work to put down a couple of mils as it does to put down a substantial floor. 90% of the job is the prep!
I have checked with Wolverine in the past (when I can get someone to actually return my emails) and it was going to cost me around $3000 or more best I remember to coat my floor. If I can get something that will last me 10 years that only cost me a fraction of the price (the price was for 12 gallons, which is way more than I will need to cover the floor) I am fine with that. My garage is only used for recreational purposes, so I don't need a really thick coat...all I am looking for is something that is fairly durable, will resist staining and is in my price range. If Wolverine offered something like this I would buy from you in a second, but it seems to me like everything you sell for the average user who just stores their cars in a garage is way overkill.
I know, you can't put a price on quality...but many of us do have a price ceiling that we have to deal with...its just life. I have been shopping for a while now and will be ready to buy this year.
I know, you can't put a price on quality...but many of us do have a price ceiling that we have to deal with...its just life. I have been shopping for a while now and will be ready to buy this year.
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AlphaGarage
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12 gallons at $75/gallon would be $900.
For 1,500 sq ft we'd recommend 10.5 gallons of BondTite 1101 and 12.75 gallons of LiquaTile 1184. For most colors those would be $1,800. With those recommended materials, combined you would have a floor coating system with a nominal thickness of 24.86 mils (not including waste – material left on brushes, in cans etc.). The BondTite 1101 would be split evenly, with half being used as the primer coat, and the other half being reserved and eventually used as the top clear coat.
That would be for an indoor floor, for floors with UV exposure you might want to use EnduraShield 2254 as the clear coat instead of the BondTite 1101, in which case the cost for all the epoxies and urethane would only be an additional $162. EnduraShield 2254 will also give you the extra benefits of curing crystal clear in addition to being harder and more durable than BondTite 1101.
For 1,500 sq ft we'd recommend 10.5 gallons of BondTite 1101 and 12.75 gallons of LiquaTile 1184. For most colors those would be $1,800. With those recommended materials, combined you would have a floor coating system with a nominal thickness of 24.86 mils (not including waste – material left on brushes, in cans etc.). The BondTite 1101 would be split evenly, with half being used as the primer coat, and the other half being reserved and eventually used as the top clear coat.
That would be for an indoor floor, for floors with UV exposure you might want to use EnduraShield 2254 as the clear coat instead of the BondTite 1101, in which case the cost for all the epoxies and urethane would only be an additional $162. EnduraShield 2254 will also give you the extra benefits of curing crystal clear in addition to being harder and more durable than BondTite 1101.
Where did the $75 come from? I was quoted anywhere from $40-$60 a gallon depending on what type of epoxy I go with.
While the $1800 is cheaper than what I was expecting, it is still around 800-1000 more than I care to spend on my floor. I am sure it would be nice, but I really don't know much about Wolverine coatings other than what I have read on these boards.
While the $1800 is cheaper than what I was expecting, it is still around 800-1000 more than I care to spend on my floor. I am sure it would be nice, but I really don't know much about Wolverine coatings other than what I have read on these boards.
AlphaGarage
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We've been able to hold our prices for our two main DIY products steady at $75/gallon for about a year now, back to when I came onboard.
We haven't spent much energy in wide scale marketing, although we hope to soon. In the meantime we've been very fortunate to have quite a few clients who've posted their experiences, the good, bad, and ugly, right here on these forums. And as both a consumer and a business, we value those honest testimonies more than any paid advertisement.
A project like coating a floor is not like just painting a wall. We could try simplify or underplay the details and effort involved, and no doubt move more product, but in the long run that wouldn't do anyone any good.
Details, info, and support go a long way to a successful installation, and frankly all 3 of those elements just aren't easy to convey in typical advertising and marketing. Word of mouth is probably the best way for the DIYer to find out about the strength, weaknesses, and ultimately the bottom line value of the many products available.
At any rate it looks like your garage coming along nicely, just in time for spring! Looking forward to pictures of the completed project.
We haven't spent much energy in wide scale marketing, although we hope to soon. In the meantime we've been very fortunate to have quite a few clients who've posted their experiences, the good, bad, and ugly, right here on these forums. And as both a consumer and a business, we value those honest testimonies more than any paid advertisement.
A project like coating a floor is not like just painting a wall. We could try simplify or underplay the details and effort involved, and no doubt move more product, but in the long run that wouldn't do anyone any good.
Details, info, and support go a long way to a successful installation, and frankly all 3 of those elements just aren't easy to convey in typical advertising and marketing. Word of mouth is probably the best way for the DIYer to find out about the strength, weaknesses, and ultimately the bottom line value of the many products available.
At any rate it looks like your garage coming along nicely, just in time for spring! Looking forward to pictures of the completed project.
My Dad and I have done all of the work ourselves so far, with just a little help from friends. I still like insulation, wiring and the metal ceiling, but those are all pretty cheap compared to an epoxy floor.
I see lots of people on here and other places that just put down one coat of epoxy and seem to be very happy with that. Why does Wolverine only offer an epoxy that must have a primer and a topcoat? Like I said, this floor will see light use and I don't really care if it is all shiney. I am after more of a useful floor than a showroom floor.
I see lots of people on here and other places that just put down one coat of epoxy and seem to be very happy with that. Why does Wolverine only offer an epoxy that must have a primer and a topcoat? Like I said, this floor will see light use and I don't really care if it is all shiney. I am after more of a useful floor than a showroom floor.
thegarageguy
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Hey Gambitt, it seems like you made up your mind with your buddies same flooring system. $600 and held up well for 10 years. What more do you want? What better testimonial can you ask for? Take a look at your buddies floor, via in person or by pics, if it meets your expectations, then go for it.
He had it down for 10 years in an old garage and it held up well. He just put it down in a new 5000 sq ft garage and it looks good to me. The price can't be beat, even if it is old technology, it appears to be working.
There are so many options out there right now it can become very confusing. I have been reading on this forum since 2006 and I still have no idea what is the best most affordable type of coating for a floor.
There are so many options out there right now it can become very confusing. I have been reading on this forum since 2006 and I still have no idea what is the best most affordable type of coating for a floor.